2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 2)

DroseReturnChi · Post #641 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:47 am

cade ceiling shot down with tos. you cant have more tos than assists.
his 7 to cost the game gap between mobley is huge.

MindState · Post #642 » by **MindState** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:48 am

Warriors missing Klay, Wiseman, and their best bench scorer Lee. Bulls should win this easily since they are only missing Vucevic. We shall see what happens.

CptCrunch · Post #643 » by **CptCrunch** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:48 am

Cade is very unlikely to be a Thabeet or Bennett or Ammo level bust, the thing is that he hasn't played one game that makes you wow. This best game has been ehhh, just an average SF in the league.

Green for all his inconsistencies has put up 2 amazing games.

Mobley and Barnes have looked amazing, the former looking transcendental imo.

Suggs looks like crap like Green but without signature games.

Giddey looks amazing as a PG.

Kuminga hasn't played.

Franz Wagner is probably the third best rookie.

Michell imo wasn't a first rounder

Bruin · Post #644 » by **Bruin** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:49 am

MindState wrote:Warriors missing Klay, Wiseman, and their best bench scorer Lee. Bulls should win this easily since they are only missing Vucevic. We shall see what happens.

Wrong thread

Bruin · Post #645 » by **Bruin** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:50 am

CptCrunch wrote:Cade is very unlikely to be a Thabeet or Bennett or Ammo level bust, the thing is that he hasn't played one game that makes you wow. This best game has been ehhh, just an average SF in the league.

Green for all his inconsistencies has put up 2 amazing games.

Mobley and Barnes have looked amazing, the former looking transcendental imo.

Suggs looks like crap like Green but without signature games.

Giddey looks amazing as a PG.

Kuminga hasn't played.

Franz Wagner is probably the third best rookie.

Michell imo wasn't a first rounder

Mitchell wasn’t a 1st rounder? How? He’s been solid

DCasey91 · Post #646 » by **DCasey91** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:53 am

Worst case scenario is that Cade is a classic overachiever where dedication and talent meet and go their separate ways once you get to the very highest level.

Very early on I thought he was already fully matured in a basketball and physical sense too. He’s been accustomed to his body demos for awhile.

Known a few that topped out and dominated up until they peaked (very early on) and was just another guy. Most of the time they gave it away/lost confidence or become over animated. But being in that sport you mature very very late in a sports sense (26+).

Maybe the answer is not to do the same thing and change the approach away in the off time. Because all of them told me they didn’t change anything head down I’ll work through it sort of mentality.

Ben’s a 3 time All Star and he’s been the same player since College/High School (funnily enough there was more scope back then).

DTP · Post #647 » by **DTP** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:54 am

Hubie has had enough lol

CptCrunch · Post #648 » by **CptCrunch** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:55 am

PrinceAli wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Cade is very unlikely to be a Thabeet or Bennett or Ammo level bust, the thing is that he hasn't played one game that makes you wow. This best game has been ehhh, just an average SF in the league.

Green for all his inconsistencies has put up 2 amazing games.

Mobley and Barnes have looked amazing, the former looking transcendental imo.

Suggs looks like crap like Green but without signature games.

Giddey looks amazing as a PG.

Kuminga hasn't played.

Franz Wagner is probably the third best rookie.

Michell imo wasn't a first rounder

Mitchell wasn’t a 1st rounder? How? He’s been solid

*I don't consider him a first rounder pre-draft. The dude is 23. It's not like the Kings are winning now and need some nice role player to bolster their bench. He is 3 years older than top of the draft. This draft is on the older side with 20 year old top picks, he is 4 years older than the average lotto 19 year old draft.

Roger Murdock · Post #649 » by **Roger Murdock** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:58 am

Cade needs to be able to win off the dribble if he wants to be a star.

NRSV · Post #650 » by **NRSV** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:58 am

Definitely see some flashes from Cade. But he’s also careless with the ball and settles for bad jumpers at times.

Bruin · Post #651 » by **Bruin** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:03 am

CptCrunch wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Cade is very unlikely to be a Thabeet or Bennett or Ammo level bust, the thing is that he hasn't played one game that makes you wow. This best game has been ehhh, just an average SF in the league.

Green for all his inconsistencies has put up 2 amazing games.

Mobley and Barnes have looked amazing, the former looking transcendental imo.

Suggs looks like crap like Green but without signature games.

Giddey looks amazing as a PG.

Kuminga hasn't played.

Franz Wagner is probably the third best rookie.

Michell imo wasn't a first rounder

Mitchell wasn’t a 1st rounder? How? He’s been solid

*I don't consider him a first rounder pre-draft. The dude is 23. It's not like the Kings are winning now and need some nice role player to bolster their bench. He is 3 years older than top of the draft. This draft is on the older side with 20 year old top picks, he is 4 years older than the average lotto 19 year old draft.

The fit is questionable with the kings but Mitchell is definitely a 1st round talent, regardless of his age. He’s been more impressive to me than Duarte

10 points and 4 assists a game off the bench with elite defense is definitely worthy of a 1st rounder

yoyoboy · Post #652 » by **yoyoboy** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:13 am

I like Cade's shooting touch and I think he's better defensively than a lot of people expected. He's also strong enough to get to his spots once he either has momentum going down hill or if he can get enough space out of the PnR.

His turnovers are oftentimes shockingly bad though, whether they're due to getting stripped dribbling or simply making an inaccurate pass. I really think his best role is more of an off the ball one and utilizing his shooting ability. With time, he can potentially be a solid secondary playmaker but I don't think primary playmaker is realistic.

DCasey91 · Post #653 » by **DCasey91** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:17 am

Mobley: 16 points, 7 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks including a hey Hayes what’s that layup attempt lemme just take the ball in mid air casually with my condor arms. lol

6/10 FG
2//2 from 3
2/4 from the line
3 turnovers
Team high +29

It’s all there once it comes together. Plain as day

NRSV · Post #654 » by **NRSV** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:19 am

DCasey91 wrote:Mobley 16 points, 7 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks including a hey Hayes what’s that layup attempt lemme just take the ball in mid air casually with my condor arms. lol
6/10 FG
2//2 from 3
2/4 from the line
3 turnovers
Team high +29

It’s all there once it comes together. Plain as day

+29? My lord Mobility!

MotownMadness · Post #655 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:22 am

Green is trying to keep up with Cade, 9pts and 6to's

CptCrunch · Post #656 » by **CptCrunch** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:23 am

DCasey91 wrote:Mobley: 16 points, 7 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks including a hey Hayes what’s that layup attempt lemme just take the ball in mid air casually with my condor arms. lol

6/10 FG
2//2 from 3
2/4 from the line
3 turnovers
Team high +29

It’s all there once it comes together. Plain as day

And still leading the league in contested shots.

He has contested more 3's than ANY guard/forward in the league. Of course he leads all C in contested 2 pointers also.

DCasey91 · Post #657 » by **DCasey91** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:28 am

NRSV wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Mobley 16 points, 7 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks including a hey Hayes what’s that layup attempt lemme just take the ball in mid air casually with my condor arms. lol
6/10 FG
2//2 from 3
2/4 from the line
3 turnovers
Team high +29

It’s all there once it comes together. Plain as day

+29? My lord Mobility!

Mobility! soon to be Mobland

I rate both (Garland was one of my mip’s along with OG duh obvious and Simons. I wanted him so bad at the Sixers lol), the class is clear from both. Cavs fans should be giddy asf

Haha I love players like him. Brings impact, doesn’t need the ball to have an effect, can seemingly transition into different parts of the court/game setting on offense or defense. Cool I’ll drop 20 or cool I’ll dish out 5 assists whatever we are going to win at a very good clip in the end with him on the court.

If they get two quality wings then the Cavs are a hard out vs anyone imo. 2 great guards with 2 great bigs and one of each is on the upswing.

Barnes and Moble everyone else is on the catch-up!

normgod6 · Post #658 » by **normgod6** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:29 am

Even as a Raptors homer I gotta admit the ROTY is Mobley's to lose at this point. I still like Barne's upside long term but its undeniable how impactful Mobley is on defense right now.

tdotrep2 · Post #659 » by **tdotrep2** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:45 am

i see the flashes from case, my only concern is he's smaller than kevin porter jr, i had no idea he was that small he looks like a shooting guard in terms of size

NRSV · Post #660 » by **NRSV** » Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:48 am

tdotrep2 wrote:i see the flashes from case, my only concern is he's smaller than kevin porter jr, i had no idea he was that small he looks like a shooting guard in terms of size

Agreed. I tend think position = who you can guard. I can’t see Cade defending SFs. He’s definitely an SG.

Which rookie impresses you the most?