2022 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

yea, biggest issue is his lack of scoring arsenal, more of a transition player/cutter than an ISO guy or shooter, i like how his physical profile projects, has a great motor, should be able to defend multiple positions without issue, and the playmaking is a nice surprise at this point.

agree that he needs to showcase much better scoring and shooting capacity if he wants to get into the higher end of the lotto.

[Duke4life831]

I haven’t watched the game yet and I know it was against one of the worst D1 teams, but nice to see Sallis get some legit minutes tonight and put up some production.

It will be cool to see him play himself into the rotation. It’s not like Gonzaga needs anymore talent though haha. That team is stacked.

[The Moose]

Can someone explain to me why Daimion Collins isn't a projected top 10 pick in this class?
Am I missing something, Is he just considered too raw?

[Hal14]

Can someone explain to me why Daimion Collins isn't a projected top 10 pick in this class?
Am I missing something, Is he just considered too raw?

not sure about top 10, but absolutely top 20. i've got him at 15 on my board right now.

he is a little raw and physically needs to get stronger..but love the upside. 7'5" wingspan, 42" vertical..

[Hal14]

rough top 8 for me right now, obv disclaimer that it's still way too early.

1 Chet Holmgren
2 Paolo Banchero
3 Jabari Smith Jr.

4 Nikola Jovic
5 Patrick Baldwin Jr.
6 Caleb Houstan
7 Kendall Brown
8 Ousmane Dieng

boom

15/8/10 with 2stls and 2blks

if his playmaking is real and not an anomaly lookout.

his play making is real IMO. in his high school footage the biggest things that pop out are 1) crazy athleticism/explosiveness 2) crazy off ball defense, just a menace getting into pass lanes for steals 3) excellent passing, one of the best passers in the draft for a non-PG

[Hal14]

Not saying he’s a lottery pick, but Wendell Moore seems to have taken a huge jump in his junior year. I thought the last two years, he looked undraftable. This year, he seems like he could make his way into the late first. Looks more athletic, more confident shooting, playing good defense, distributing the ball. Had a triple double a couple games ago.

He’s also pretty young for his class. He’s a junior but he just turned 20 a couple months ago.

I will be straight forward, I have been one of Moore’s biggest detractors. Being a die hard Duke fan, he has brought Greg Paulus level of frustration watching Duke games the last two years.

But with that said he’s been playing very well to start the year. I think he has 2 big question marks with his game though.

#1. That jumpshot is garbage. 28% from 3 for his career at Duke (28% this year as well). He’s been a good FT shooter though. But his form is pretty weak and not the most repeatable form.

#2. He’s been a bad facilitator up until this year. He was a 2 assist to 2 turnover guy up until the start of this year. Now this year he has been good so far. But 2 of the 3 games has been against garbage opponents. So it will be interesting to see if his facilitating holds up under consistent good opposition.

So if he can keep up the facilitating, get his 3pt shot to at least like 33% and show some progression with it. With his size and good athleticism, I can see him turning himself into a 1st round pick. But those are still 2 big questions he needs to answer this year.

I am mocking him based on his improved play making. If he puts up 1X pts /6 ast/6 reb/ 2 tov, I don't see how he doesn't get drafted in the lotto for his point guard skills. 6 assist to 2 tov is really nice in college btw. Those are CP3, Conley, Lowry kind of stats.

Nice sized player for a point guard. All the recruiting services had him as a SF. Maybe his natural calling is a 6'5" point guard.

Not saying he’s a lottery pick, but Wendell Moore seems to have taken a huge jump in his junior year. I thought the last two years, he looked undraftable. This year, he seems like he could make his way into the late first. Looks more athletic, more confident shooting, playing good defense, distributing the ball. Had a triple double a couple games ago.

He’s also pretty young for his class. He’s a junior but he just turned 20 a couple months ago.

Good points, he is basically the same age as Cade Cunningham (7 days apart) and rest of the 20 year old rookie.

Wendell moore is not a PG. He occasionally brings the ball up the court for Duke, just like Keels occasionally brings the ball up the court for Duke. Keels is their SG and Moore is their SF. Just because a guy has a couple of games with good assist numbers, that doesn't make him a PG.

Moore is 6'5" with a 6'11" wingspan. He's a wing who has shown good passing so far this season.

[DCasey91]

Clyde I can see why you’re high Jabari Smith Jr. He might actually be the number one pick. Retract it entirely he’s personally gone from 3 then to two then now to 1st pick lol. He has that best player in the draft flashes I’m looking for. Not ready to write off Chet but he should be the firm number one now.

Also I’ll die on a hill but I really like Duren. His free throw shooting and passing has me up and about.

(I like basing things on transferability, positional value, skill, aptitude, development curve, size, and what they may end up looking like years from now. Smith Jr ticks all the boxes imo).

[Hook_Em]

Chet has Shawn Bradley knees yikes.

[Marcus]

Clyde I can see why you’re high Jabari Smith Jr. He might actually be the number one pick. Retract it entirely he’s personally gone from 3 then to two then now to 1st pick lol. He has that best player in the draft flashes I’m looking for. Not ready to write off Chet but he should be the firm number one now.

Also I’ll die on a hill but I really like Duren. His free throw shooting and passing has me up and about.

(I like basing things on transferability, positional value, skill, aptitude, development curve, size, and what they may end up looking like years from now. Smith Jr ticks all the boxes imo).

seems simple enough right

[DCasey91]

Clyde I can see why you’re high Jabari Smith Jr. He might actually be the number one pick. Retract it entirely he’s personally gone from 3 then to two then now to 1st pick lol. He has that best player in the draft flashes I’m looking for. Not ready to write off Chet but he should be the firm number one now.

Also I’ll die on a hill but I really like Duren. His free throw shooting and passing has me up and about.

(I like basing things on transferability, positional value, skill, aptitude, development curve, size, and what they may end up looking like years from now. Smith Jr ticks all the boxes imo).

seems simple enough right

In theory haha

The KISS method. Also I can’t be overawed and enamored by every single prospect I focus on less on the fantasy land stuff lol.

[Duke4life831]

Can someone explain to me why Daimion Collins isn't a projected top 10 pick in this class?
Am I missing something, Is he just considered too raw?

Im a fan of his but he is very raw and is battling Chet for who can be the skinniest prospect.

You also run into the question of what position is he? Right now he pretty much has the skill set of a stretch 5. No real perimeter ball skills at the moment. But at 6'9 200 pounds (I think that is a generous weight) even with how long he is, he cant play the 5 against legit competition.

He looked good against Robert Morris, but Robbert Morris doesnt have any bigs on their team. He needs to work on his perimeter ball skills to get to the point where he has more of a perimeter game (not just a catch and shoot). And he needs to really bulk up but Im not sure how big he will ever get. My guess is he can probably end up looking like what Ingram looks like right now.

Depending on how the top 10 shakes out, but I think most likely he is a mid teen pick. Seeing how he looks in SEC play when he gets to play against some size and strength will tell a lot.

[Duke4life831]

AJ can’t even get in the game in the 1st half against Gardner Webb.

One thing with K is, once you fall out of his rotation it is practically impossible to get back in it. Probably will end up being a wasted year for him.

[clyde21]

glad Kentucky played Mount St. Mary's tonight, learned a lot

[TraBuch]

AJ can’t even get in the game in the 1st half against Gardner Webb.

One thing with K is, once you fall out of his rotation it is practically impossible to get back in it. Probably will end up being a wasted year for him.

He ended up playing most of the second half.

[clyde21]

AJ can’t even get in the game in the 1st half against Gardner Webb.

One thing with K is, once you fall out of his rotation it is practically impossible to get back in it. Probably will end up being a wasted year for him.

not really buying the injury excuse at this point, he looks relatively healthy in the mins he does get. maybe a stamina issue, or maybe he has just fallen out of the rotation.

really I still have no idea how any of those players wanted to play for Coach K but whatever.

[Duke4life831]

AJ can’t even get in the game in the 1st half against Gardner Webb.

One thing with K is, once you fall out of his rotation it is practically impossible to get back in it. Probably will end up being a wasted year for him.

He ended up playing most of the second half.

Yup. Just hope it doesn’t continue to take being up 25-30 points against a horrible team for him to see minutes. He’s still behind Joey Baker on the depth chart.

[TraBuch]

I think people are expecting way too much out of a guy that hasn't played organized basketball in two years. He's clearly still not in full game shape yet. Did you see him botch that breakaway dunk?

[Duke4life831]

AJ can’t even get in the game in the 1st half against Gardner Webb.

One thing with K is, once you fall out of his rotation it is practically impossible to get back in it. Probably will end up being a wasted year for him.

not really buying the injury excuse at this point, he looks relatively healthy in the mins he does get. maybe a stamina issue, or maybe he has just fallen out of the rotation.

really I still have no idea how any of those players wanted to play for Coach K but whatever.

I get the thought process behind it. I’m sure AJ was expecting to have the Keels role.

But it seems like especially in the last decade, if you’re not one of K’s favorites, it seems like it’s almost impossible to break into the rotation.

And ya I was all with the injury excuse when he had barely any practice time. He’s been practicing full time for about a month now. He’s still being Joey Baker in the rotation. He’s not seeing 1st half action in a blow out against Gardner Webb.

I won’t be shocked as the season goes on K does the normal K thing and goes with his 6-7 man rotation. If you aren’t part of that rotation by the start of ACC play, then it is what it is.

Kind of counting down till next year when Scheyer takes over and Duke gets some fresh blood.

[Duke4life831]

Im going to get on top of my soap box again, but the NCAA is beyond stupid. Its like they purposely dont want people to watch until March. Ya lets have a couple big named teams play on opening night, then basically go back to having teams play exhibition games for the next month... Here is my fix for the NCAA.

Setup multiple Championship Classic type events for the first two nights. So for Tuesday and Wednesday we get back 2 back nights of top notch college games to kick off the season.
After that setup a conference vs conference challenge (ACC vs Big 10 for example). Each team plays 2 games against the opposing conference. Each conference vs conference challenge can have 2 open spots for a top tier mid major team like a Gonzaga or if a team like this year's Memphis team is ranked, they can opt in to play.
Then play a non conference tournament like the Maui or the multiple other ones they already play
Then play another conference vs conference challenge. Same thing Each team plays 2 games against the opposing conference.
Then play another non conference tournament

That gets you about 11 non conference games. If you want to give the no named teams a few games against the power house teams. Fine, take away 1 tournament and play the crap teams before the opening night and have them be preseason games.

Then you hop into conference play and keep everything how it already is from there on out. You want to maximize your product, do something like this. You would get a lot more people caring about college basketball before March comes around. It would be pretty cool once college ball season kicks off, we know week in and week out we are getting damn good games from there on out.

As a Duke fan, I get up and excited for the Championship Classic. Now I have to wait a month to get excited for another game. And Im a die hard college basketball fan and even I admit its hard to get excited and watch these crap games.

From a draft perspective. These players would get far more exposure because people would actually tune in to watch their games. Also it would give them far more meaningful games where they get to play against actual legit competition.

[clyde21]

they should just call this part of the schedule preseason and be done with it...completely useless for the most part.