zeebneeb wrote:"Not elite at getting to the line".MotownMadness wrote:?s=20
The company Cade just joined should have all of us really, REALLY, excited.
How many games has Cade played?
8
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zeebneeb wrote:"Not elite at getting to the line".MotownMadness wrote:?s=20
The company Cade just joined should have all of us really, REALLY, excited.
How many games has Cade played?
8
buzzkilloton wrote:Titan77 wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:
Players control getting to the line by creating contact. Its a skill.
& refs aren't calling such fouls as much this year.
All the leagues great scorers get to the line more then the rate he is this season. His point is relevant he needs to improve on that. Its a lack of craftiness and strength that he will need to work on. Getting to the line is a skill that people underrate in the elite scorers in the league.
Its not taking away anything from a great game. Its actually impressive that he had a great game but you can still see how in the future with improving areas of his game he could be a guy who puts up 30+ on a night like tonight by drawing contact.
Manocad wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:Titan77 wrote:
& refs aren't calling such fouls as much this year.
All the leagues great scorers get to the line more then the rate he is this season. His point is relevant he needs to improve on that. Its a lack of craftiness and strength that he will need to work on. Getting to the line is a skill that people underrate in the elite scorers in the league.
Its not taking away anything from a great game. Its actually impressive that he had a great game but you can still see how in the future with improving areas of his game he could be a guy who puts up 30+ on a night like tonight by drawing contact.
So you wouldn't take 25/8/8 every game with no FT's?
You can argue that point all you want. This is just the wrong game to argue it. If he wasn't scoring because he was missing outside shots and refused to drive the lane and draw contact instead, sure. But when you're dropping outside shots, especially 3's, there's no reason to intentionally drive the lane, risking injury along the way, just to create contact and get FT's because "that's what the great scorers do."
Lol I remember u used to post on the Pistons forum of the Detroit News. There was this weirdo named Lee or something that was a Darko jock sniffer. He basically made the loss of Darko out to be the biggest thing and the Pistons would rue the day they traded him. He would always combine his and Dwight Howard's stats to show the big impact he was having on the team. Sounds alot better when you say they put up 35 and 18 together instead of being real and saying Darko put up 7 and 4. Dude was so annoying.whitehops wrote:cade and hayes did well and combined for 25 points, it's a shame the rest of the team couldn't help them out.
bstein14 wrote:I don't think it's a huge concern in the short term, but being able to absorb contact and make a shot when you take the ball to the rim is likely going to be an important part of his growth as a player over time. He very much does try to avoid and any all contact when he takes the ball to the rack, unless he's using his off arm a bit to create space to prevent the defender from challenging the shot.
At the end of the day, getting a few more freebies along the way is just going to take him to another level as a scorer. It's pretty common for almost all of the top scorers in the league (25+ PPG) to average 5.0+ FTAs per game... BUT of course that has changed a bit this year with the rules changes.
If there is one thing that Cade really needs to work on improving the most at the moment is not picking up the ball before he is ready to pass because it allows teams to jump the passing lanes on him. He's currently 11th highest in the league in TO's and he's averaging 3.6 APG and 3.6 TO per game so that 1:1 ratio needs a bit of work. His scoring overall is fine for now with what we've seen these last few games.
DetroitSho wrote:Lol I remember u used to post on the Pistons forum of the Detroit News. There was this weirdo named Lee or something that was a Darko jock sniffer. He basically made the loss of Darko out to be the biggest thing and the Pistons would rue the day they traded him. He would always combine his and Dwight Howard's stats to show the big impact he was having on the team. Sounds alot better when you say they put up 35 and 18 together instead of being real and saying Darko put up 7 and 4. Dude was so annoying.
Oh naw bro, that wasn't directed at you. I know you were saying it in jest. It just reminded me of that guy but he used to be dead serious. Lolwhitehops wrote:DetroitSho wrote:Lol I remember u used to post on the Pistons forum of the Detroit News. There was this weirdo named Lee or something that was a Darko jock sniffer. He basically made the loss of Darko out to be the biggest thing and the Pistons would rue the day they traded him. He would always combine his and Dwight Howard's stats to show the big impact he was having on the team. Sounds alot better when you say they put up 35 and 18 together instead of being real and saying Darko put up 7 and 4. Dude was so annoying.
i'm not denying that i can be annoying but i don't think i'm the person you're thinking of. i didn't follow the pistons until brandon jennings came here in 2014 (i have a better eye for talent these days i swear haha) and even then i only posted on RealGM.
El Chivo wrote:this team should be playing 70 pick and rolls possession per game, but the Genius Casey wants them play hands off all night long.
Manocad wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:Titan77 wrote:
& refs aren't calling such fouls as much this year.
All the leagues great scorers get to the line more then the rate he is this season. His point is relevant he needs to improve on that. Its a lack of craftiness and strength that he will need to work on. Getting to the line is a skill that people underrate in the elite scorers in the league.
Its not taking away anything from a great game. Its actually impressive that he had a great game but you can still see how in the future with improving areas of his game he could be a guy who puts up 30+ on a night like tonight by drawing contact.
So you wouldn't take 25/8/8 every game with no FT's?
You can argue that point all you want. This is just the wrong game to argue it. If he wasn't scoring because he was missing outside shots and refused to drive the lane and draw contact instead, sure. But when you're dropping outside shots, especially 3's, there's no reason to intentionally drive the lane, risking injury along the way, just to create contact and get FT's because "that's what the great scorers do."
"I will say though, he really needs to get to the ft line if he's going to be an elite scorer. He's up to 56 fg attempts in the last 4 games with 0 ft attempts".
whitehops wrote:cade and hayes did well and combined for 25 points, it's a shame the rest of the team couldn't help them out.
buzzkilloton wrote:Manocad wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:
All the leagues great scorers get to the line more then the rate he is this season. His point is relevant he needs to improve on that. Its a lack of craftiness and strength that he will need to work on. Getting to the line is a skill that people underrate in the elite scorers in the league.
Its not taking away anything from a great game. Its actually impressive that he had a great game but you can still see how in the future with improving areas of his game he could be a guy who puts up 30+ on a night like tonight by drawing contact.
So you wouldn't take 25/8/8 every game with no FT's?
You can argue that point all you want. This is just the wrong game to argue it. If he wasn't scoring because he was missing outside shots and refused to drive the lane and draw contact instead, sure. But when you're dropping outside shots, especially 3's, there's no reason to intentionally drive the lane, risking injury along the way, just to create contact and get FT's because "that's what the great scorers do."
Not one person said he didnt have a great game. If you think hes a finished product that doesnt need to improve anything because he had a good game thats on you.
The Moose wrote:Manocad wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:
All the leagues great scorers get to the line more then the rate he is this season. His point is relevant he needs to improve on that. Its a lack of craftiness and strength that he will need to work on. Getting to the line is a skill that people underrate in the elite scorers in the league.
Its not taking away anything from a great game. Its actually impressive that he had a great game but you can still see how in the future with improving areas of his game he could be a guy who puts up 30+ on a night like tonight by drawing contact.
So you wouldn't take 25/8/8 every game with no FT's?
You can argue that point all you want. This is just the wrong game to argue it. If he wasn't scoring because he was missing outside shots and refused to drive the lane and draw contact instead, sure. But when you're dropping outside shots, especially 3's, there's no reason to intentionally drive the lane, risking injury along the way, just to create contact and get FT's because "that's what the great scorers do."
Seeing as I was the one who brought up this point initially, I guess I'll respond. As its been said, nobody said he didn't have a great game because he didnt get to the ft line, I was the person who brought the free throws and I said he had a great game. My point was never about only this game at all, so I'm not sure why you keep mentioning that. Yes its possible to score well and efficiently in a game with 0 free throw attempts, is it easy to do consistently? no
Just to further drive the point home, here is exactly what I said,"I will say though, he really needs to get to the ft line if he's going to be an elite scorer. He's up to 56 fg attempts in the last 4 games with 0 ft attempts".
So right off the bat, the point wasn't purely about this game, I was talking about the past 3 others too. It shouldn't be that controversial of a statement, show me some elite scorers in the NBA who consistently don't get to the line at all because I can't think of any. The reason elite scorers get to the ft line is because its the easiest points in the game, and if/when Cade develops that ability it won't be so dependent on him shooting 50%+ on jumpshots which is extremely difficult to do consistently. Nobody is arguing he will likely be one of the leagues elite shooters. If your belief is that he wasn't driving and trying to draw contact simply because he was making jump shots, whats the reason for his lack of free throws in games where he hasn't been shooting lights out?
Its not like this is something new, in the preseason he had 49 field goal attempts and 2 ft attempts. Again, nobody said he didn't have a great game, or that he even necessarily has to be an elite scorer to be a great player.
I just think for him to reach that elite scorer level that I believe he can potentially reach, he eventually needs to start getting to the ft line. Personally I think free throws will come for him once he gets a bit older and stronger as Buzz said.
zeebneeb wrote:Okay hold on here. I wonder how much NBA basketball some people are watching this year. To get to the damn line this year, you almost have to have a police report to give to the refs.
Cade not getting to the line(he is a ROOKIE)is him not knowing what triggers the refs, and like the rest if the league, are having a tough time getting a whistle, let alone get to the line.
Last year hes probably getting to the line twice as much.