OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[Clyde_Style]

Consider me in the Buzzardman category of looking at this as little more than fake-hustle.

And what will it take for you to believe otherwise?

That question is for Buzz too

Someone of consequence actually getting a legitimate sentence for the plotting of Jan. 6th probably. I have no confidence in prior administrations' actions being held accountable and I don't see a reason to feel confident now. I watched the Bush Administration skate for war crimes, I watched Trump get caught dead to rights twice with only fall-guys taking the hit, and I'm not really sure why I should be expecting different this time around. I'm used to flashy headlines with no results when it comes to legal ramifications for people in power, and a few slaps on the wrist are what I'm expecting because that's all I've seen come from any of this in the past.

Your historical consciousness is off the hook. When have you ever seen either such an orchestrated probe between Congress and the DOJ or so many other investigations and grand juries operating simultaneously and independently against a prior organization. This is so unprecedented that there is no comparison to anything preceding it.

And bear in mind that the Watergate investigations went on for years and 40 government officials were indicted and/or imprisoned. John Mitchell the US AG, the Bill Barr of Watergate, served 19 months in prison.

The list of people doing real time for Watergate is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_Seven

And we’re dealing with a violent insurrection and multitudes of treason. Watergate was a picnic compared to this

Trump was never going to pay the piper as long as he was president. He turned the DOJ into his personal law firm for crying out loud.

You guys slay me. It is unfolding right before your eyes and you keep saying nobody will be held accountable. Whatever

[j4remi]

And what will it take for you to believe otherwise?

That question is for Buzz too

Someone of consequence actually getting a legitimate sentence for the plotting of Jan. 6th probably. I have no confidence in prior administrations' actions being held accountable and I don't see a reason to feel confident now. I watched the Bush Administration skate for war crimes, I watched Trump get caught dead to rights twice with only fall-guys taking the hit, and I'm not really sure why I should be expecting different this time around. I'm used to flashy headlines with no results when it comes to legal ramifications for people in power, and a few slaps on the wrist are what I'm expecting because that's all I've seen come from any of this in the past.

Your historical consciousness is off the hook. When have you ever seen either such an orchestrated probe between Congress and the DOJ or so many other investigations and grand juries operating simultaneously and independently against a prior organization. This is so unprecedented that there is no comparison to anything preceding it.

And bear in mind that the Watergate investigations went on for years and 40 government officials were indicted and/or imprisoned. John Mitchell the US AG, the Bill Barr of Watergate, served 19 months in prison.

The list of people doing real time for Watergate is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_Seven

And we’re dealing with a violent insurrection and multitudes of treason. Watergate was a picnic compared to this

Trump was never going to pay the piper as long as he was president. He turned the DOJ into his personal law firm for crying out loud.

You guys slay me. It is unfolding right before your eyes and you keep saying nobody will be held accountable. Whatever

I do agree that this feels like more of an organized effort than past attempts, but I'm cynical that it's for anything beyond the electoral values of pinning Trump to the Republican party as they try to hang on to majorities in Congress. When I hear about these House Committees, I hope they're gunning for results but I'm never quite sure that my goals and theirs are aligned. (caveat: This is why I'm much more hopeful for NY probes than Congressional questioning, but I do want to see Congressional subpoena power flexed in a useful manner because it will be rendered meaningless if they fail here imo).

If we have to go back to the 70's for a good example of accountability, I don't think it's too helpful. Especially with more recent examples that include an administration Biden was involved with giving a finger wag and a pass to that Bush crew. Just to the throw it in, Trump got in and brought back Iran Contra scandal folks as advisors and influential position-holders. In my lifetime, I've seen plenty of scandals and wrongdoing with no major consequences.

Even moving beyond the scope of administrative and governance-based cases. I remember the Wall St. inquiries after the economic collapse (fines that barely scratched the major players and the only prison time served was by a middle management guy), and recent cases over the Opioid crisis (fines) and Monsanto's horrific practices (fines)...I don't have a lot of faith in the system we've designed to hold anyone in power accountable. I'm dangerously close to nihilism about the judicial system and even moreso after Trump's mass of appointments got no pushback from Schumer and added in a bunch of radical and unqualified new lifetime judges.

Edit: This isn't really topic-related but it's another example of my falling faith in the system as it stands...I warned everybody on election day that Biden's victory wasn't good enough because of future implications of the down ballot losses and that's coming home to roost rapidly, here's the logline for this article about how Republicans are gerrymandering themselves into the majority

On a highly distorted congressional map that is still taking shape, the party has added enough safe House districts to capture control of the chamber based on its redistricting edge alone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/us/politics/republicans-2022-redistricting-maps.html

[KnicksGadfly]

And what will it take for you to believe otherwise?

That question is for Buzz too

Someone of consequence actually getting a legitimate sentence for the plotting of Jan. 6th probably. I have no confidence in prior administrations' actions being held accountable and I don't see a reason to feel confident now. I watched the Bush Administration skate for war crimes, I watched Trump get caught dead to rights twice with only fall-guys taking the hit, and I'm not really sure why I should be expecting different this time around. I'm used to flashy headlines with no results when it comes to legal ramifications for people in power, and a few slaps on the wrist are what I'm expecting because that's all I've seen come from any of this in the past.

Your historical consciousness is off the hook. When have you ever seen either such an orchestrated probe between Congress and the DOJ or so many other investigations and grand juries operating simultaneously and independently against a prior organization. This is so unprecedented that there is no comparison to anything preceding it.

And bear in mind that the Watergate investigations went on for years and 40 government officials were indicted and/or imprisoned. John Mitchell the US AG, the Bill Barr of Watergate, served 19 months in prison.

The list of people doing real time for Watergate is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_Seven

And we’re dealing with a violent insurrection and multitudes of treason. Watergate was a picnic compared to this

Trump was never going to pay the piper as long as he was president. He turned the DOJ into his personal law firm for crying out loud.

You guys slay me. It is unfolding right before your eyes and you keep saying nobody will be held accountable. Whatever

I’m less optimistic. If I’m getting this correctly, in Watergate, it seemed both political parties were United in getting rid of Nixon. Yah, some people are getting slaps on the wrist here, but the real criminals who instigated this are still running around. Facebook needs to be held accountable, and it seems like half of America still thinks the election was stolen. People are still using the same Trumpian excuse to run for office and hedge their bets when they lose. Pretty sure some dudes in Texas are still waiting for JFK to return to reinstate Trump.

Jan 6th happened, but it was a small thing in the scheme of things, a symptom of a disease that needs to get dealt with. Glad some idiots got caught, but we got lots more where they came from.

[Clyde_Style]

Someone of consequence actually getting a legitimate sentence for the plotting of Jan. 6th probably. I have no confidence in prior administrations' actions being held accountable and I don't see a reason to feel confident now. I watched the Bush Administration skate for war crimes, I watched Trump get caught dead to rights twice with only fall-guys taking the hit, and I'm not really sure why I should be expecting different this time around. I'm used to flashy headlines with no results when it comes to legal ramifications for people in power, and a few slaps on the wrist are what I'm expecting because that's all I've seen come from any of this in the past.

Your historical consciousness is off the hook. When have you ever seen either such an orchestrated probe between Congress and the DOJ or so many other investigations and grand juries operating simultaneously and independently against a prior organization. This is so unprecedented that there is no comparison to anything preceding it.

And bear in mind that the Watergate investigations went on for years and 40 government officials were indicted and/or imprisoned. John Mitchell the US AG, the Bill Barr of Watergate, served 19 months in prison.

The list of people doing real time for Watergate is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_Seven

And we’re dealing with a violent insurrection and multitudes of treason. Watergate was a picnic compared to this

Trump was never going to pay the piper as long as he was president. He turned the DOJ into his personal law firm for crying out loud.

You guys slay me. It is unfolding right before your eyes and you keep saying nobody will be held accountable. Whatever

I do agree that this feels like more of an organized effort than past attempts, but I'm cynical that it's for anything beyond the electoral values of pinning Trump to the Republican party as they try to hang on to majorities in Congress. When I hear about these House Committees, I hope they're gunning for results but I'm never quite sure that my goals and theirs are aligned. (caveat: This is why I'm much more hopeful for NY probes than Congressional questioning, but I do want to see Congressional subpoena power flexed in a useful manner because it will be rendered meaningless if they fail here imo).

If we have to go back to the 70's for a good example of accountability, I don't think it's too helpful. Especially with more recent examples that include an administration Biden was involved with giving a finger wag and a pass to that Bush crew. Just to the throw it in, Trump got in and brought back Iran Contra scandal folks as advisors and influential position-holders. In my lifetime, I've seen plenty of scandals and wrongdoing with no major consequences.

Even moving beyond the scope of administrative and governance-based cases. I remember the Wall St. inquiries after the economic collapse (fines that barely scratched the major players and the only prison time served was by a middle management guy), and recent cases over the Opioid crisis (fines) and Monsanto's horrific practices (fines)...I don't have a lot of faith in the system we've designed to hold anyone in power accountable. I'm dangerously close to nihilism about the judicial system and even moreso after Trump's mass of appointments got no pushback from Schumer and added in a bunch of radical and unqualified new lifetime judges.

Edit: This isn't really topic-related but it's another example of my falling faith in the system as it stands...I warned everybody on election day that Biden's victory wasn't good enough because of future implications of the down ballot losses and that's coming home to roost rapidly, here's the logline for this article about how Republicans are gerrymandering themselves into the majority

On a highly distorted congressional map that is still taking shape, the party has added enough safe House districts to capture control of the chamber based on its redistricting edge alone.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/us/politics/republicans-2022-redistricting-maps.html

I just saw that NY Times article. It is disheartening. And FL now has more Republicans than Democrats, probably due to the massive influx into the state here during Covid. There’s plenty of reasons to be discouraged about the political future. I am. I don’t believe America is going to make it as a democracy and I’m leaving the country soon, perhaps permanently.

That said, Trump will not escape. Whether or not that has anything to do with the GOP may be irrelevant, though there remains a large faction of Trumpers in the party and that can hurt them over time. I still think the Democrats have the edge is they do the right things, but of course that may not happen and the GOP may ascend again. The next time they do this country is toast so really the only hope is gradually marginalizing their hold on power. Not laying down odds. I’m getting out

[Clyde_Style]

Someone of consequence actually getting a legitimate sentence for the plotting of Jan. 6th probably. I have no confidence in prior administrations' actions being held accountable and I don't see a reason to feel confident now. I watched the Bush Administration skate for war crimes, I watched Trump get caught dead to rights twice with only fall-guys taking the hit, and I'm not really sure why I should be expecting different this time around. I'm used to flashy headlines with no results when it comes to legal ramifications for people in power, and a few slaps on the wrist are what I'm expecting because that's all I've seen come from any of this in the past.

Your historical consciousness is off the hook. When have you ever seen either such an orchestrated probe between Congress and the DOJ or so many other investigations and grand juries operating simultaneously and independently against a prior organization. This is so unprecedented that there is no comparison to anything preceding it.

And bear in mind that the Watergate investigations went on for years and 40 government officials were indicted and/or imprisoned. John Mitchell the US AG, the Bill Barr of Watergate, served 19 months in prison.

The list of people doing real time for Watergate is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_Seven

And we’re dealing with a violent insurrection and multitudes of treason. Watergate was a picnic compared to this

Trump was never going to pay the piper as long as he was president. He turned the DOJ into his personal law firm for crying out loud.

You guys slay me. It is unfolding right before your eyes and you keep saying nobody will be held accountable. Whatever

I’m less optimistic. If I’m getting this correctly, in Watergate, it seemed both political parties were United in getting rid of Nixon. Yah, some people are getting slaps on the wrist here, but the real criminals who instigated this are still running around. Facebook needs to be held accountable, and it seems like half of America still thinks the election was stolen. People are still using the same Trumpian excuse to run for office and hedge their bets when they lose. Pretty sure some dudes in Texas are still waiting for JFK to return to reinstate Trump.

Jan 6th happened, but it was a small thing in the scheme of things, a symptom of a disease that needs to get dealt with. Glad some idiots got caught, but we got lots more where they came from.

See my answer to Jremi per my lack of hope overall. I’m not optimistic. But these prosecutions are happening. If they don’t it is literally a doom knell for democracy so you’d better hope Trump and his administration are held accountable. But even then I don’t see the long-term in a positive light

[thebuzzardman]

This stuff that Wingo shared is awesome.

https://medium.com/@registrarproject17/qanon-is-an-enormous-alternate-reality-game-arg-run-by-malevolent-puppetmasters-27e6b098ce9b

I knew the outline of it, but the detail is impressive. Essential.

[HarthorneWingo]

This stuff that Wingo shared is awesome.

https://medium.com/@registrarproject17/qanon-is-an-enormous-alternate-reality-game-arg-run-by-malevolent-puppetmasters-27e6b098ce9b

I knew the outline of it, but the detail is impressive. Essential.

I posted? Did I post something? What did I post?

Btw, that link is way above my pay grade.

[thebuzzardman]

This stuff that Wingo shared is awesome.

https://medium.com/@registrarproject17/qanon-is-an-enormous-alternate-reality-game-arg-run-by-malevolent-puppetmasters-27e6b098ce9b

I knew the outline of it, but the detail is impressive. Essential.

I posted? Did I post something? What did I post?

Btw, that link is way above my pay grade.

I think it was within the Jim Stewartson tweets.

It was FAT KAT who posted the tweets.
I think HW was among the first to comment

[Clyde_Style]

Jury selection has begun in the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell

[thebuzzardman]

Jury selection has begun in the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell

Jury by peers eh? It's hard to find 12 spies who clearly state that's their job.

[Clyde_Style]

Jury selection has begun in the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell

Jury by peers eh? It's hard to find 12 spies who clearly state that's their job.

They're selecting strictly from a pool of kibbutz feminists

[Pointgod]

Share this with the Covidiots in your life.

Read on Twitter

[Clyde_Style]

Share this with the Covidiots in your life.

Read on Twitter

I also appreciate the term Branch Covidians

[Clyde_Style]

This stuff that Wingo shared is awesome.

https://medium.com/@registrarproject17/qanon-is-an-enormous-alternate-reality-game-arg-run-by-malevolent-puppetmasters-27e6b098ce9b

I knew the outline of it, but the detail is impressive. Essential.

I just read it. While I’ve tacitly understood all of these factors to be in play all along I probably stopped actively digging myself for confirmation of Russian involvement 2-3 years ago. It was that obvious to me already going back to my forays into Trump’s real estate dealings, his long-standing connections to the Russian-American mob, his banking relationships, his negative net worth and debt payments being propped up by non-collateralized loans from Putin, his efforts to communicate with Russian operatives through back channels and a dozen other reasons I won’t enumerate again.

And the disinfo aspect has always had every fingerprint of Russian intelligence, so no major lightbulbs went off reading this. What I found interesting was his journey into the Twitter-sphere and his rapid assimilation into the Q-Borg. It is both fascinating and scary how these platforms are readily weaponized by these forces of chaos. I may guess Jack Dorsey does not necessarily want this activity, but I can’t know that or attribute any decency to Twitter leadership since they have not stopped this from happening.

As far as Facebook is concerned, they are connected to Russian intelligence either directly or obliquely. There are Russian oligarchs with significant equity stakes in the company and the leaks that confirm Zuckerberg’s complicity with the Trump organization makes it patently clear he collaborated knowingly in these Russian disinfo operations.

Yet Twitter remains the bigger driver now perhaps in terms of refining messaging and disseminating the propaganda in a more focused manner which I found interesting. And appallilng.

[Polk377]

Share this with the Covidiots in your life.

Read on Twitter

I also appreciate the term Branch Covidians

I hope you guinea pigs picked the right experiment group to join by your masters. Not all test subjects will make it.

[Clyde_Style]

Share this with the Covidiots in your life.

Read on Twitter

I also appreciate the term Branch Covidians

I hope you guinea pigs picked the right experiment group to join by your masters. Not all test subjects will make it.

We’re not going to allow you to bait posters into getting a thread locked so I’ve reported you instead.

You keep posting like this you will get banned

[Polk377]

I also appreciate the term Branch Covidians

I hope you guinea pigs picked the right experiment group to join by your masters. Not all test subjects will make it.

We’re not going to allow you to bait posters into getting a thread locked so I’ve reported you instead.

You keep posting like this you will get banned

You and the poster before you started the name calling. Who was actually baiting for a response? Those who throw stones shouldn't live in glass houses.....

[Clyde_Style]

Only two House Republicans (Kinzinger and Cheney) voted to censure Paul Gosar. The GOP drew their line in the sand one more time, effectively saying any means justifies the end (power). What did Gosar do afterwards? He reposted his video of AOC being dismembered. It is not that nothing has changed; it has gotten worse. The GOP has pushed in all their chips on being aholes.

[HarthorneWingo]

Only two House Republicans (Kinzinger and Cheney) voted to censure Paul Gosar. The GOP drew their line in the sand one more time, effectively saying any means justifies the end (power). What did Gosar do afterwards? He reposted his video of AOC being dismembered. It is not that nothing has changed; it has gotten worse. The GOP has pushed in all their chips on being aholes.

Remember the all of the hypocritical Republican snowflakes who clutched their pearls in response to the picture of actual comedian, Kathy Griffin, holding what appears to be Trump’s decapitated head?

[Clyde_Style]

Only two House Republicans (Kinzinger and Cheney) voted to censure Paul Gosar. The GOP drew their line in the sand one more time, effectively saying any means justifies the end (power). What did Gosar do afterwards? He reposted his video of AOC being dismembered. It is not that nothing has changed; it has gotten worse. The GOP has pushed in all their chips on being aholes.

Remember the all of the hypocritical Republican snowflakes who clutches their pearls in response to the picture of actual comedian, Kathy Griffin, holding what appears to be Trump’s decapitated head?

oh yes, so true. There is zero quid pro quo with the Republicans