lilfishi22 wrote: Slim Charless wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Talent and skill doesn't necessary mean he's mature. He's STILL a 22 year old
That's my point though. He is. He's been in locker rooms with grown men since he was 15 or so. Playing with guys who are trying to earn for their families while at the same Ayton was probably chilling on a beach in the Bahamas.
Different experiences growing up. Luka was supposed to be ready-which he has been
. I give DA more lee-way, he's just getting used to this.
Add into the fact that he dealt with a messy situation at AZ before coming into the dumpster fire that was the pre-Monty Suns.
That wasn't the consensus pre-draft. There were a lot of doubters who as they always do, question the ability for Euro's to adapt to the NBA. Would he be quick enough, would he be able to handle NBA defenses, would he be able to shoot with his relatively slower shooting stroke and would his physicality translate in the NBA, there were a list of questions pre-draft and that's why he slipped even though he was a winner overseas. NBA Twitter loved him and had him very high (1 or 2) but NBA scouts had more questions. Most see the college route as the proven way to see how far a prospect is to being NBA ready or not and that's the path Ayton took. Ayton was the one with fewer question, the one who was the safer choice.
Luka is further along skill wise and probably talent wise coming into the league so he may be closer to his peak than Ayton but that's largely based on his NBA ready skills, his talent and his experience but he is still a 22 year old who still has life skills, leadership skills and maturing to do. Very few players come into the league with the maturity of a pros pro.
Even guys like Dudley didn't clean up his diet until a couple of years in Phoenix playing next to Nash.
Just for the record: If we had drafted Luka and he was a Sun, I'd be "on his asss" about his conditioning like I seem to be on Aytons for his faults. But again, it is what it is, you can't really-truly change a person usually. For Luka it's contitioning (and his Larry Bird body type, he is never gonna be ripped, but that is a bit different from conditioning), and for DA it's the mental part, and the effort. After their respective carreers the guy who fought his own "demon" better will have the better carreer overall.
(Likely, as injuries, sucky owners, GMs, coaches, teamates etc...can alter the picture in a big way)
Just for the record part 2: I've said multiple that Ayton should have gotten the rookie max extension this summer - even tho I'm scared that he will get lazy afterwards. So I'm not hating on the guy, he will just never be my favourite player for the reasons above. In my mindset, who am I really rooting for and why - the effort and making the most of your talent part comes before natural (and somewhat untapped) talent. Nothing wrong if anyone has the exact opposite view.