toronto Blowup

[pipfan]

I think the Raps should try for another top pick, develop their young front line and start fresh. They might squeak into the playoffs this year, but they are not anywhere close to a contender.

1-FVV to Boston for Neismith/Schoeder (buy out), Hernangomez, Langford and a lottery protected 1st
Boston gets a huge upgrade at PG, and goes with
FVV/Smart/Pritchard
Brown/Smart/Richardson
Tatum/Brown/Richardson
RWilliams/Tatum/GWilliams
Horford/RWilliams/Kanter

He would be a great PG with that core

2-as someone suggested
Siakam to Minny for Beasley/Prince/one other salary/Minny's 2022 unprotected and 2024 top 5 protected
Toronto could route Beasley to another team

Minny gets a serious PF next to Towns and goes for the playoffs


3-Boucher for CWhite and a filler salary
Chic needs some depth and size at the 4

Tor rebuilds with Barnes/OG/Precious/Neismith/Trent/Langford/CWhite/Flynn-plus they add 3 picks and a ton of cap space soon.
Better than battling for the 10th seed and the #11 pick

[Godaddycurse]

1st 2 deals are bad value for the raptors. I dont see any premium asset coming back (minny will make playoffs with siakam) to warrant a tear down.

[Bruin]

Yeah those first 2 deals aren’t good value. Pretty sure we can get a better return

[SNPA]

I think the Raps should try for another top pick, develop their young front line and start fresh. They might squeak into the playoffs this year, but they are not anywhere close to a contender.

1-FVV to Boston for Neismith/Schoeder (buy out), Hernangomez, Langford and a lottery protected 1st
Boston gets a huge upgrade at PG, and goes with
FVV/Smart/Pritchard
Brown/Smart/Richardson
Tatum/Brown/Richardson
RWilliams/Tatum/GWilliams
Horford/RWilliams/Kanter

He would be a great PG with that core

2-as someone suggested
Siakam to Minny for Beasley/Prince/one other salary/Minny's 2022 unprotected and 2024 top 5 protected
Toronto could route Beasley to another team

Minny gets a serious PF next to Towns and goes for the playoffs


3-Boucher for CWhite and a filler salary
Chic needs some depth and size at the 4

Tor rebuilds with Barnes/OG/Precious/Neismith/Trent/Langford/CWhite/Flynn-plus they add 3 picks and a ton of cap space soon.
Better than battling for the 10th seed and the #11 pick

Kings would step in on that second deal. Buddy/Harkless/2 1sts protection to be worked out.

I hope they try and get Banton mixed in.

[Godaddycurse]

I think the Raps should try for another top pick, develop their young front line and start fresh. They might squeak into the playoffs this year, but they are not anywhere close to a contender.

1-FVV to Boston for Neismith/Schoeder (buy out), Hernangomez, Langford and a lottery protected 1st
Boston gets a huge upgrade at PG, and goes with
FVV/Smart/Pritchard
Brown/Smart/Richardson
Tatum/Brown/Richardson
RWilliams/Tatum/GWilliams
Horford/RWilliams/Kanter

He would be a great PG with that core

2-as someone suggested
Siakam to Minny for Beasley/Prince/one other salary/Minny's 2022 unprotected and 2024 top 5 protected
Toronto could route Beasley to another team

Minny gets a serious PF next to Towns and goes for the playoffs


3-Boucher for CWhite and a filler salary
Chic needs some depth and size at the 4

Tor rebuilds with Barnes/OG/Precious/Neismith/Trent/Langford/CWhite/Flynn-plus they add 3 picks and a ton of cap space soon.
Better than battling for the 10th seed and the #11 pick

Kings would step in on that second deal. Buddy/Harkless/2 1sts protection to be worked out.

I hope they try and get Banton mixed in.

You're stepping in with a worse offer lol. And you want a rookie from a team that's supposedly tearing it down? Makes zero sense.

[SNPA]

I think the Raps should try for another top pick, develop their young front line and start fresh. They might squeak into the playoffs this year, but they are not anywhere close to a contender.

1-FVV to Boston for Neismith/Schoeder (buy out), Hernangomez, Langford and a lottery protected 1st
Boston gets a huge upgrade at PG, and goes with
FVV/Smart/Pritchard
Brown/Smart/Richardson
Tatum/Brown/Richardson
RWilliams/Tatum/GWilliams
Horford/RWilliams/Kanter

He would be a great PG with that core

2-as someone suggested
Siakam to Minny for Beasley/Prince/one other salary/Minny's 2022 unprotected and 2024 top 5 protected
Toronto could route Beasley to another team

Minny gets a serious PF next to Towns and goes for the playoffs


3-Boucher for CWhite and a filler salary
Chic needs some depth and size at the 4

Tor rebuilds with Barnes/OG/Precious/Neismith/Trent/Langford/CWhite/Flynn-plus they add 3 picks and a ton of cap space soon.
Better than battling for the 10th seed and the #11 pick

Kings would step in on that second deal. Buddy/Harkless/2 1sts protection to be worked out.

I hope they try and get Banton mixed in.

You're stepping in with a worse offer lol. And you want a rookie from a team that's supposedly tearing it down? Makes zero sense.

We are talking about kings draft picks. That’s a stronger offer. The rookie part is just my wishful thinking because I liked what I saw for him.

[Godaddycurse]

Kings would step in on that second deal. Buddy/Harkless/2 1sts protection to be worked out.

I hope they try and get Banton mixed in.

You're stepping in with a worse offer lol. And you want a rookie from a team that's supposedly tearing it down? Makes zero sense.

We are talking about kings draft picks. That’s a stronger offer. The rookie part is just my wishful thinking because I liked what I saw for him.

Hield cost alot more than Beasley over duration of their contracts and he is older to boot. This early in the season i think theres a good shot either team makes the playoffs via adding siakam so the picks are a wash for me.

[DangerZone13]

Yeah, can't say I'm feeling these deals either.

An All-Star for a team's picks without also getting a good rotation player from them just doesn't make sense - what you're valuing the asset at is a high lottery pick, and using that buying power to make the team better this year with minimal risk, devaluing the pick, but most posters don't take this into account. It's transparent and not clever.

These types of trades only really work for a long-term tank (ie. PG trade), or if the team acquiring the best player in the deal is trading another team's likely lottery pick(ie. If the Warriors had moved the 7th pick that became Kuminga).

Given Raptors Brass has clearly stated they will not be a tanking team (all signs point to this being from ownership down), as much as the Pro-Tankers seem to want a "Process", a full gutting is highly unlikely.

[JRoy]

TOR can do better if they decide to move those guys.

Not saying that they should.

[DangerZone13]

That said, a Siakam to Kings deal starts with Haliburton+Pick (protections to be bartered) and goes from there, otherwise it's best for both teams to keep looking.

Like it or not, I don't see moving on from VanVleet until Scottie is ready to take over the vocal leadership reigns. He offers a lot more than just on-court value.

I can get behind the third deal. Boucher could definitely be moved. I'd like to see if he and Flynn can buy Thomas Bryant to take a look at before FA.

[eminence]

Siakam isn’t worth Haliburton.

2 firsts is the most I can see TOR getting for either guy, offers seem fair to me.

Wouldn’t move White for Boucher for CHI.

[psman2]

Siakam isn’t worth Haliburton.

2 firsts is the most I can see TOR getting for either guy, offers seem fair to me.

Wouldn’t move White for Boucher for CHI.

Siakam is still in the prove it phase. IF this year's efficiency keeps up into the deadline and his defense numbers creep back up then I could see him pulling a Hali type asset +, but as of know the OP is likely close to what his value is at this point in time.

[Scoot McGroot]

It is really hard for teams to make full tear down, 1 player for 4 type trades midseason. Let alone to do 2 or 3 of them. They’re just going to have to waive most of the guys they take back, or several guys on their own roster they might like better.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Siakam isn’t worth Haliburton.

2 firsts is the most I can see TOR getting for either guy, offers seem fair to me.

Wouldn’t move White for Boucher for CHI.

Seems to me it should potentially be something around Mitchell. Hali is too much.