ruckus wrote:Nice comeback win.
Precious proving that the Biyombo comparisons were lazy.
Sure, if he keeps making threes every game
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ruckus wrote:Nice comeback win.
Precious proving that the Biyombo comparisons were lazy.
Los_29 wrote:djsunyc wrote:alienchild wrote:
Old man yelling at clouds...
lol
complain complain complain when we lose.
complain some more when we win. lol.
I believe two months ago he was comparing GTJ to Danny Green and was saying that age is irrelevant because GTJ doesn't have the ability to improve whereas Norm did.
Kingsway_fan wrote:I can see why raptors management is high on Precious.
He should start.
Second half was as good a half as the team has played all season. Hopefully, they can build on that.
Still getting tired of paacals one one one forcing it on offense mindset... hopefully the team learns how to pass it around mote rather than the selfish play we have seen all season.
When OG us back, team gonna have a lot of depth... yuta and Flynn were great and really contributed when out there.
Boucher has fallen off the cliff this season... and should be relegated to spot minutes until he shows he deserves more...
Fred and Trent were solid....
Barnes back to the form we saw at the beginning and hopefully his defence continues to improve, and now, he is starting to make three pointers.. a great sign of things to come...
Great win.
DreamTeam09 wrote:FVV is also a way way way better player than this board gives him credit for.
fbalmeida wrote:Win, as fun as it was, at times, frustrating.
TSN put up a graphic that showed we were the most inexperienced team in the league if you subtract Goran Dragic, which we likely will be doing shortly.
It shows.
Bad halfcourt offense. Dumb mistake prone defense with no rim protection.
Still good enough to beat the Grizzlies.
It kills me knowing that we'd be good enough to win a lot more games if only we had a 3rd string center protecting the rim, stepping in for Birch or Precious when they miss games, instead of putting Siakam on rim protection detail against the likes of Ja, JJJ, and frickin' Khal Drogo.
Dennis 37 wrote:DreamTeam09 wrote:FVV is also a way way way better player than this board gives him credit for.
We have a history of being most critical of our star players. Fred is a great player. We know what he does very well. We know it so well that we expect it and rarely comment on it. When he has a great game we shrug and say, "Well that's what we expect, so nothing special."
So, when we criticize hm for attempting to do a layup against 2 post defenders both a foot taller than him, or taking three consecutive three point shots, it is not being overly critical. We simply know that Fred is capable of better decisions, or he is getting direction from Nurse with which we don't agree. It is not hate, nor is it lack of recognition of his talents.
Gold Dragon wrote:pingpongrac wrote:Weird. I don't remember that at all. Seeing as we only had 1 turnover in the entire 4th quarter, that seems like just another made up stat/occurrence that fits the narrative that FVV is unwilling to pass to Barnes which is making us worse. FVV (and the rest of the team) doesn't need to pass Barnes the ball every single possession lol. Giving a rookie the ball to handle every possession in crunch time when we're trying to eat up clock doesn't seem the greatest plan either.OhCanada1091 wrote:I'm thinking about making a video of all the times FVV doesn't pass the ball to Scottie but Im so busy with work lately. He's blatantly forcing passes to other players instead of making the right play, it happened many times in this game. Also in crunch time he couldn't just let Scottie handle the ball? Three times he took the ball out of Scotties hands in crunch time and two times it led to a turnover.
Im a big Fred Van Vleet fan and by no means am I on the side that wants us to trade him and develop Barnes and Banton but he needs to do better. Those two plays in transition were gimmes but he's gotta be more willing to trust Scottie. I hope they try to bring him off the bench when OG comes back.
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These are the two turnovers in crunch time
https://go.nba.com/3bih
This one is Barnes not planning to do anything with the ball except pass it to one of our guards. Fred comes back and Barnes passes it too far and it becomes a backcourt.
https://go.nba.com/5dbz
This one is Fred trying to pass to either Gary or Scottie but both are well covered but he had already commited to the pass and he was too off balance to get it over the defenders and ended up passing it to Bane instead. This was Fred's fault and it is fair to blame his vision and playmaking abilities here. If you look at the angle of the pass, I think he was trying to get it to Scottie.
Neither of these plays is about Fred being selfish or looking off Scottie.
bape_lovers wrote:Birch is our best offensive rebounder thenKingsway_fan wrote:bape_lovers wrote:Missing our best wing scorer/defender and our best rebounder …pretty sure that’s not everybody
Prexious is our best rebounder..
Chandan wrote:Ref_from_hell wrote:Chandan wrote:fred wants to bet on himself when it comes to fans choosing him or barnes, it's not a fight he can win.
Did he text you that after the game? Y'all must be tight
nah but he needs to give the ball to barnes every single time when I see barnes signal for the ball. I dont even care if it's the right play or not or if they lose as a result.
PoundTown wrote:Kingsway_fan wrote:I can see why raptors management is high on Precious.
He should start.
Second half was as good a half as the team has played all season. Hopefully, they can build on that.
Still getting tired of paacals one one one forcing it on offense mindset... hopefully the team learns how to pass it around mote rather than the selfish play we have seen all season.
When OG us back, team gonna have a lot of depth... yuta and Flynn were great and really contributed when out there.
Boucher has fallen off the cliff this season... and should be relegated to spot minutes until he shows he deserves more...
Fred and Trent were solid....
Barnes back to the form we saw at the beginning and hopefully his defence continues to improve, and now, he is starting to make three pointers.. a great sign of things to come...
Great win.
If at the end of his rookie contract he can offensively perform at that level, we have our center. I don't mean 3/3 from 3, but I mean, decent percentages, averaging 1 - 1.5 3s a game. Still has a long way to go, but if he can be a bit more explosive version of Birch offensively, and get rid of that tunnell vision, shoot 50 percent on 2's, and 35 percent on 3's, then we are good to go. I'm thinking something in the middle ground of Birch and Ibaka, as I don't think he'll ever be as reliable a relief valve as Ibaka, but you also see flashes of him being able to be a pusher on transition and a guy that can get downhill in a hurry.
DreamTeam09 wrote:Still amazed at how Barnes is able to score. Never thought he'd be getting 15+ a night year 1. I thought anything over 9 would be a success. Could be a 20pt scorer before the end of his rookie deal
Jadoogar wrote:bape_lovers wrote:Birch is our best offensive rebounder thenKingsway_fan wrote:
Prexious is our best rebounder..
i would argue Scottie is our best rebounder
WaltFrazier wrote:ruckus wrote:Nice comeback win.
Precious proving that the Biyombo comparisons were lazy.
Sure, if he keeps making threes every game
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
Yeezus_ wrote:Who would've thought our offense would be 7th in the league almost a quarter way into the season? lol
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.