Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Mik317]

lol a Blazers fan is here telling us that it is for the best to just trade Ben for whatever...
its almost as if they have a rooting intrest in that happening or something..

[Kobblehead]

If they don't want to play for a team, then they don't have to.

What kind of fantasy land did this take come from? Of course they have to. Do you know what a contract is?

[kuclas]

But does it really matter if Simmons is back? I’d just let him rot for refusing to play. Cause if they can’t win a second round series with home court Vs hawks. Bringing role players isn’t gonna to help.

This is more about making a statement that players on long term super max contracts cannot be cry babies and demand their own way.

And I support that. Enough is enough. Show up and play if you aren’t traded.

This stuff (the cry baby) works with harden Leonard AD kyrie butler cause they had 1-2 years left. This stuff won’t work wirh 4 years left. Sixers have the leverage.

If Simmons had 2 years left. He would have been traded already. You are setting precedent if u give in to a player refusing to play.

Players aren't slaves. If they don't want to play for a team, then they don't have to. And if you treat a player bad, then they are less likely to want to play for you.

A disgruntled Ben Simmons with mental health issues does not have as high of a trade value as Daryl Morey and ownership would like. But that's the situation they are in. Why shoot yourself in the foot to win a dick waving contest?

Hopefully for all parties involved, Darly takes the best offer available on December 15th.

Please take my team's garbage!




Anyway, there's this thing called contract law.

If Ben would like to be a FA, he can agree to a buyout where he waives the remainder of his salary, and then go to wherever his heart is most content.

Do you really think that's going to happen?

Ben would agree to buyout AFTER this season (assuming he’s made up 60-70% of this current salary for this current season but BEFORE the next free agency signing when all the money is made available.

Some team will give him at least a one year 30 million dollar deal or potentially more.

Teams aren’t afraid of his salary 4/140 if they are still willing to take him to unload their role players. They know it’s not the mental health issues so it’s fairly obvious if he’s a free agent when all the money is available in off season he would take a buyout of $0. He would be giving up 3/110?

But he’s gonna to still command 3/90 at least.

[Mik317]

again I am sure Ben wants out. ANd I agree it is for the best for him. Get a new start and all that jazz.

However, he signed a contract for 4 years. Like Harden, at least showed up...he was fat and a malcontent...but he showed up. Harden also gave that team years of MVP play and the team was maxed out. The writing on the wall was that it was over. Harden also had only 2 years IIRC left...and again showed up. Ben is coming off a major implosion, has 4 years left, and the team despite everything is still way better than that Rockets team would have been. He simply does not have the same ground to stand on that past "stars" asking out had. My feelings are hurt is not a compelling reason. And its kinda all Ben has. The mental issues , real or not, is also not the reason mainly because it came after an offseason of bridge burning and a faulty back injury.

So the players aren't slaves thing does not work in this specific situation (also kinda hard to use slavery as a comparison to dudes making millions..... I get it..I hate the comparing NBA players to average joes thing but in this situation....nah. You can't suck at your job, then get mad at everyone else, then claim mental health, and expect to just get your way. Thats not how the world works. If Ben balled out, still caught all the heat, and this happened after years of trying...he'd have a leg to stand on. He was pampered , told he didn't have to change, didn;t change, and when he finally was...he ran away. Money aint everything. Can't buy happiness. And all that jazz...but he signed a 4 year contract and many of his issues are self inflicted. (This does not mean others aren;t to blame btw)

[fkd215]

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But he’s gonna to still command 3/90 at least.

That's an interesting question. If free agency opened today and Ben were unrestricted, what would he command? I think 3/90 is a little high. Maybe 3/75 with a team option on the third year? It's hard to know his value league-wide.

[Tomjas]

Morey is not standing on principle & rival execs are not standing in solidarity

It’s business

If we get an offer that’s good for the team, Ben will be traded

If not, he won’t be

It’s that simple

[kuclas]

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But he’s gonna to still command 3/90 at least.

That's an interesting question. If free agency opened today and Ben were unrestricted, what would he command? I think 3/90 is a little high. Maybe 3/75 with a team option on the third year? It's hard to know his value league-wide.

Teams aren’t afraid of his salary. Which means his market is sky high. Considering his age (25) and all the other things he brings.

The worse he agrees to his a one year 30 million dollar deal. The ball is in his court.

But in no way is he gonna to give up this season’s money.

[GutUNC]

Rich Paul hasn't equated a 4 year max contract to slavery yet, but GOBlazers is waiting for baited breath when he does!

[GOBlazers]

Players aren't slaves. If they don't want to play for a team, then they don't have to. And if you treat a player bad, then they are less likely to want to play for you.

A disgruntled Ben Simmons with mental health issues does not have as high of a trade value as Daryl Morey and ownership would like. But that's the situation they are in. Why shoot yourself in the foot to win a dick waving contest?

Hopefully for all parties involved, Darly takes the best offer available on December 15th.

Please take my team's garbage!




Anyway, there's this thing called contract law.

If Ben would like to be a FA, he can agree to a buyout where he waives the remainder of his salary, and then go to wherever his heart is most content.

Do you really think that's going to happen?

Ben would agree to buyout AFTER this season (assuming he’s made up 60-70% of this current salary for this current season but BEFORE the next free agency signing when all the money is made available.

Some team will give him at least a one year 30 million dollar deal or potentially more.

Teams aren’t afraid of his salary 4/140 if they are still willing to take him to unload their role players. They know it’s not the mental health issues so it’s fairly obvious if he’s a free agent when all the money is available in off season he would take a buyout of $0. He would be giving up 3/110?

But he’s gonna to still command 3/90 at least.

I agree that he'd probably get paid close to his current salary.
So isn't Philly better off trading Simmons for assets before the deadline? If the alternative is paying tens of millions for an unengaged Simmons this season, and then losing him for nothing in the off-season?

[GutUNC]

Please take my team's garbage!




Anyway, there's this thing called contract law.

If Ben would like to be a FA, he can agree to a buyout where he waives the remainder of his salary, and then go to wherever his heart is most content.

Do you really think that's going to happen?

Ben would agree to buyout AFTER this season (assuming he’s made up 60-70% of this current salary for this current season but BEFORE the next free agency signing when all the money is made available.

Some team will give him at least a one year 30 million dollar deal or potentially more.

Teams aren’t afraid of his salary 4/140 if they are still willing to take him to unload their role players. They know it’s not the mental health issues so it’s fairly obvious if he’s a free agent when all the money is available in off season he would take a buyout of $0. He would be giving up 3/110?

But he’s gonna to still command 3/90 at least.

I agree that he'd probably get paid close to his current salary.
So isn't Philly better off trading Simmons for assets before the deadline? If the alternative is paying tens of millions for an unengaged Simmons this season, and then losing him for nothing in the off-season?

The buyout thing is just a thought exercise. He's not going to be paid to go away. That's absurd.

[kuclas]

Please take my team's garbage!




Anyway, there's this thing called contract law.

If Ben would like to be a FA, he can agree to a buyout where he waives the remainder of his salary, and then go to wherever his heart is most content.

Do you really think that's going to happen?

Ben would agree to buyout AFTER this season (assuming he’s made up 60-70% of this current salary for this current season but BEFORE the next free agency signing when all the money is made available.

Some team will give him at least a one year 30 million dollar deal or potentially more.

Teams aren’t afraid of his salary 4/140 if they are still willing to take him to unload their role players. They know it’s not the mental health issues so it’s fairly obvious if he’s a free agent when all the money is available in off season he would take a buyout of $0. He would be giving up 3/110?

But he’s gonna to still command 3/90 at least.

I agree that he'd probably get paid close to his current salary.
So isn't Philly better off trading Simmons for assets before the deadline? If the alternative is paying tens of millions for an unengaged Simmons this season, and then losing him for nothing in the off-season?

Again. This is rewarding bad behavior not honoring the contract. If klutch and ben get away with this

Who is to say another player with max contract can demand out also?

I’m sure most owners and front offices are quietly supporting the sixers (but also trying to low ball sixers at the same time). So the principal

As urself if Dame Lillard age 25 pulled the same stunt and all the blazers would get back is hield and bagley and 2 draft picks. Remind urself lillard age 25 was not the same lillard he was now at age 31. Aka he was a averaging 21 points a game. 2x all star

Imagine if lillard at this same age pulled a stunt like that demanding a trade. And just faking mental illness and not trying in practice. Just showing up cause he was losing money.

How would you feel as a blazers fan. Would you have traded lillard age 25 for the equivalent of hield bagley and 2 draft picks. We all know the answer

[Mik317]

team has to do the best for them.

Trading Ben for scraps is not that. That only benefits Ben.

Again not sure what is actually available or not...but simply adding more role players and expecting them to do more than they are able to do...does nothing for the team. Short term or long term.

Its really not that hard of concept to grasp lol. The 4 years thing is stupid posturing but there is no rush atm otherwise. Maybe that changes in a month. OR by the deadline. Or maybe it never does lol. Bottom line..trading Ben for two dudes just to get it over with doesn't really help much. Again my own idea of what is better than scraps is probably lower than Morey's but the idea behind it makes sense.

[DCasey91]

Maxey
Green
Niang
Ben
Embiid

Milton
Curry
Thybulle
Harris
Drummond

I bet ya that’s better than any other setup we’d actually get coming back on deals. The backcourt isn’t small anymore and the Embiid/Ben combo does heavy work defensively. We ride with Maxey as the second option this year and next the pecking order is done no more 70 iso dribbles from a slow PF for 8 points bs. Take that 10 into this years playoffs.

Chopping block:
Kork
Drummond
Milton
Springer
Reed

Make a decision on Green. Look I would like to move Curry but he’s our nuke even if he’s a defensive weak point. But if 3/5 are ++ defenders we should be able to cover for Maxey/Niang much much better in the end.

Keep Bassey, see what Drummond fetches then package Springer/Reed/Kork whatever and our 1st to move up if we see a good prospect.

Keegan Murray? I’m crossing everything in the hope he doesn’t go top 5 (he def should though age only thing but f that dude is destroying it). He’s like a bigger version of Mikal.

Also Jalen Johnson is risky somewhat but I’d be very very keen on him. Double O too but we have Bassey so we are fine on big depth.

Got to prepare for the worst or the best. Worst is life after Embiid, best is Ben comes back and hits 60% from the FT line and Tobithus magically disappears for a Morey value special trade like Hield and some dud Bagley no resign. We get Hield which is big bomber Seth or Korks idol lmao.

[Bum Adebayo]

Bum Simmons has zero leverage here, he signed a 5-year contract, if he wanted leverage he would've signed for the qualifying offer to leave ASAP. Let him rot and let's not reward **** behavior that could set a really bad precedent for the league.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

screw it, let him sit until the right offer presents itself. Just be prepared to be a .500 team.

[76ciology]

Morey is not standing on principle & rival execs are not standing in solidarity

It’s business

If we get an offer that’s good for the team, Ben will be traded

If not, he won’t be

It’s that simple

Businesses have unions.
Your employers have unions.
Executives have unions.

Unions acts in solidarity.

If im not mistaken, our team’s owner talked with Wolves’ owner for the Wolves trade. Fertita rejected our offer (best one) because of his bad blood with Morey.

Owners do not own basketball teams with winning the championship as top priority. They’ll say it is just to make the fans hear what they want to hear. Maybe it’s for investment? Maybe as a means to pay less taxes? Nobody is insane enough spending billions just for a day of championship parade and a day at white house.

Owning a basketball team is bigger than championship 1 and championship 2 or player 1 and player 2.

What good is owning a basketball team when there’s a player out there who’s going to destroy or disrupt the contract system where if tolerated players can just not deliver on their part of the contract and still get paid?

Owner unions kicked Hinkie out and Hinkie never got any job at any sports league ever since. Because Hinkie isnt just looking like he doesnt know anything about drafting, but he’s doing something that will destroy the league. Imagine if 1/3 of all the games we’re watching are against teams that are tanking, would you enjoy it?

If Ben keeps it up, he’d be Larry Sanders 2.0 or Stephon Marbury 2.0, see you in Shanghai.

[76ciology]

What benefit do Sixers have to just trading Ben now?

Can we get Lillard? No.

Morey and our FO isn’t panicking as you are that they’re gonna put themselves in a bad position to be bamboozled by some weak offer out there.

For what? Haliburton and get 3-5 more regular season wins?

Then when playoff comes, they’d regret doing the deal because the team clearly needs more in return than that weak offer. After the deal, Giannis will still dominate our team with our size and we’d still look weak on crunch time.

Sixers will make a deal when the right offer comes. Right offer will come at the right time. That’s whether a top tier player is available, a team reaches capitulation and is willing to overpay or draft pick projections becoming clearer for us to get draft picks in return.

And all signs points trade deadline at the earliest

[KL78192020]

I think a interesting trade with the Wiz could involve Hachimura/Dinwiddie/Avdija for Ben. Adds good depth and Rui was really stepping up until his own mental health issues. Avdija is also a good prospect.

[flaco]

Celtics fan here. Any chance we could work something out without including Tatum or Brown? For instance, how about a 3-way with the Raps for Siakam?



This is assuming the Raps wouldn't be interested in Simmons cause him and Scottie Barnes would cancel each other out. The same goes for Scottie Barnes and Siakam, which is why plenty of Raps fans are ready to move on from Siakam.

PG: Maxey
SG: Seth
SF: Tobi
PF: Siakam
C: Embiid

6th man: Schroder

[mjkvol]

Celtics fan here. Any chance we could work something out without including Tatum or Brown? For instance, how about a 3-way with the Raps for Siakam?



This is assuming the Raps wouldn't be interested in Simmons cause him and Scottie Barnes would cancel each other out. The same goes for Scottie Barnes and Siakam, which is why plenty of Raps fans are ready to move on from Siakam.

PG: Maxey
SG: Seth
SF: Tobi
PF: Siakam
C: Embiid

6th man: Schroder

No deal - Brown or Tatum are the only players you have that are of interest. It's mighty convenient that your deal is asking the Sixers and Raps to part with their prime trade piece while you get a player who potentially makes you a contender while giving up only your garbage.