Bradley Beal - Part III

[nate33]

Wizards fans are so hyperbolic. Everything we've done since Wall's injury has been about building and around Beal. Now because of a bad stretch we are just going to tear it down? Super max or not super max it doesn't really matter. We'd be paying him enough to where his performance and our performance are linked. For anyone being rational, the solution is to get Beal going.

A "bad stretch", or an entire bad season? I'm saying if he plays an entire season like this, he won't be getting the supermax.

[prime1time]

Beal has been pretty bad this year. But he is still the only defense bender on the offense. Don't fool yourself into believing we would be better without him. Also, I do appreciate that he seems to be trying to adjust his game to the new offense and new personnel. His usage is down from the past few years and has dropped a bit more if you ignore the first 6 games (at which point he seemed to make a concerted effort to involve others more an shoot less). He just hasn't figured everything out yet, and he cannot hit the side of a barn from 3-point range.

I don't think he has very much trade value anymore given his play and expiring contract, so trading him is not going to happen.

I think daSwami is right that he is probably not getting the supermax now. The fact is, Beal made his decision this summer when he declined the full extension that was offered. Risk is a 2-way street. Beal (and his agent) turned away sure money on a just-below-supermax extension, betting that he would get more if he waited until this summer. Well, he bet wrong. Shooting guards who shoot 26% from 3-point range don't get supermax offers. It's not Sheppard's responsibility to bail Beal out of a bad bet.

Sheppard should offer him fair market value this offseason and no more. I'd say fair market value is something in the $30M range. I don't think any other playoff-caliber team will have the cap room to pay him even that much. And I'm pretty sure that the under-the-cap rebuilding teams don't want to throw max money at Beal.

If Beal walks, then he walks. It will be a disaster if we do pay him the supermax.

One other possibility would be to offer him a 1-year deal (or a 2-year deal with a team option on year 2) at the supermax. Out of good will, give Beal one more year to try and regain his All-NBA form. (We have the luxtax room to afford such a deal next year, it just becomes a problem in the following years.) But do not offer him a long term contract that will cripple the franchise for years like Wall's deal did.

He'll be getting super max lol.

Not if he plays the entire season like this. We won't pay the supermax to a guy averaging just 22 points a game while shooting 26% from 3-point range. I really don't think Sheppard will make that mistake. He is the same guy who traded John Wall.

But my guess is that Beal shakes out of his slump and starts looking like the Beal of old before the season is over, which means he will get the supermax. Frankly, even the Beal of last season on a supermax contract isn't such a great ideal. But it won't be as detrimental as the Beal of this season on a supermax.

We decided that Beal was a supermax player the moment we started giving him power over shaping the roster. We gave him leverage by waiting to sign him until his free agency year. At best we save several million dollars, but it's semantics. Our feature is tied to Beal. And to say that we shouldn't pay him supermax is to say that that should no longer be the case. Which is to say that we should tear down the roster and rebuild.

[prime1time]

Wizards fans are so hyperbolic. Everything we've done since Wall's injury has been about building and around Beal. Now because of a bad stretch we are just going to tear it down? Super max or not super max it doesn't really matter. We'd be paying him enough to where his performance and our performance are linked. For anyone being rational, the solution is to get Beal going.

A "bad stretch", or an entire bad season? I'm saying if he plays an entire season like this, he won't be getting the supermax.

Give me an all-NBA talent that just fell off in his prime.

[nate33]

We decided that Beal was a supermax player the moment we started giving him power over shaping the roster. We gave him leverage by waiting to sign him until his free agency year. At best we save several million dollars, but it's semantics. Our feature is tied to Beal. And to say that we shouldn't pay him supermax is to say that that should no longer be the case. Which is to say that we should tear down the roster and rebuild.

Yes. If Beal finishes the season averaging less than 23 points at a TS% less than .530, we should offer him significantly less than the supermax or be prepared to tear down and rebuild.

Signing Beal to a supermax means Ted is committing to several years of luxtax payments. Ted isn't going to do that unless there is reason to believe that the team can plausibly make the 2nd round of the playoffs. If Beal is no longer a superstar, there is no chance whatsoever that the team can be among the top 4 teams in the East.

[CobraCommander]

We decided that Beal was a supermax player the moment we started giving him power over shaping the roster. We gave him leverage by waiting to sign him until his free agency year. At best we save several million dollars, but it's semantics. Our feature is tied to Beal. And to say that we shouldn't pay him supermax is to say that that should no longer be the case. Which is to say that we should tear down the roster and rebuild.

Yes. If Beal finishes the season averaging less than 23 points at a TS% less than .530, we should offer him significantly less than the supermax or be prepared to tear down and rebuild.

Signing Beal to a supermax means Ted is committing to several years of luxtax payments. Ted isn't going to do that unless there is reason to believe that the team can plausibly make the 2nd round of the playoffs. If Beal is no longer a superstar, there is no chance whatsoever that the team can be among the top 4 teams in the East.

Beal is costing himself money with his play AND with his COVID stance coupled with what Kyrie and even with Ben Simmons pulled this year

I think teams are going to be careful not to sign a Wall, Westbrook, Simmons or Kyrie contract with anyone even a slight indication that that they are not going to provide the value to the team on the back half of the contract or if he has even a slight chance of not getting vaccination or if there is a chance that the player may have a mental issue that would keep them from playing or if they represented by rich Paul...

Not saying all of these apply to beal but if you supermax Beal or even max a guy of his level of current pay, you essentially have an Andrew Wiggins- good player but you are going to need some other players to lead the team to prominence-

Maybe Beal is better than he is showing but we keep watching him turn over the Beal with bad handles, missing open 3s and playing sporadic defense...

[nate33]

We decided that Beal was a supermax player the moment we started giving him power over shaping the roster. We gave him leverage by waiting to sign him until his free agency year. At best we save several million dollars, but it's semantics. Our feature is tied to Beal. And to say that we shouldn't pay him supermax is to say that that should no longer be the case. Which is to say that we should tear down the roster and rebuild.

Yes. If Beal finishes the season averaging less than 23 points at a TS% less than .530, we should offer him significantly less than the supermax or be prepared to tear down and rebuild.

Signing Beal to a supermax means Ted is committing to several years of luxtax payments. Ted isn't going to do that unless there is reason to believe that the team can plausibly make the 2nd round of the playoffs. If Beal is no longer a superstar, there is no chance whatsoever that the team can be among the top 4 teams in the East.

Beal is costing himself money with his play AND with his COVID stance coupled with what Kyrie and even with Ben Simmons pulled this year

I think teams are going to be careful not to sign a Wall, Westbrook, Simmons or Kyrie contract with anyone even a slight indication that that they are not going to provide the value to the team on the back half of the contract or if he has even a slight chance of not getting vaccination or if there is a chance that the player may have a mental issue that would keep them from playing or if they represented by rich Paul...

Not saying all of these apply to beal but if you supermax Beal or even max a guy of his level of current pay, you essentially have an Andrew Wiggins- good player but you are going to need some other players to lead the team to prominence-

Maybe Beal is better than he is showing but we keep watching him turn over the Beal with bad handles, missing open 3s and playing sporadic defense...

I fail to see how his Covid stance is relevant, but I agree with the rest.

[doclinkin]

He sucks. Should of traded him in off-season when he had value. If we resign him. Im done!!

Might be better to just leave now. I don't see us trading him.

And then we will win! The Ji curse will finally be broken! Can't spell "jinx" without "j-i". The curse doesn't care, no matter what screen name he tries to hide behind

[doclinkin]

He sucks. Should of traded him in off-season when he had value. If we resign him. Im done!!

Though this will be the third time Ji was done. What I want to know: are we going to get big snow this winter? How is the travel forecast for Christmas week?

[CobraCommander]

Yes. If Beal finishes the season averaging less than 23 points at a TS% less than .530, we should offer him significantly less than the supermax or be prepared to tear down and rebuild.

Signing Beal to a supermax means Ted is committing to several years of luxtax payments. Ted isn't going to do that unless there is reason to believe that the team can plausibly make the 2nd round of the playoffs. If Beal is no longer a superstar, there is no chance whatsoever that the team can be among the top 4 teams in the East.

Beal is costing himself money with his play AND with his COVID stance coupled with what Kyrie and even with Ben Simmons pulled this year

I think teams are going to be careful not to sign a Wall, Westbrook, Simmons or Kyrie contract with anyone even a slight indication that that they are not going to provide the value to the team on the back half of the contract or if he has even a slight chance of not getting vaccination or if there is a chance that the player may have a mental issue that would keep them from playing or if they represented by rich Paul...

Not saying all of these apply to beal but if you supermax Beal or even max a guy of his level of current pay, you essentially have an Andrew Wiggins- good player but you are going to need some other players to lead the team to prominence-

Maybe Beal is better than he is showing but we keep watching him turn over the Beal with bad handles, missing open 3s and playing sporadic defense...

I fail to see how his Covid stance is relevant, but I agree with the rest.

I think an nba players COVID stance impacts their post signature trade value.

In other words as you analyze your investment in Beal, you have to consider if a trade became available, how his COVID vaccination stance could impact that.

If NBA teams were not taking that into consideration when they are investing 100s of millions and risking 100s of millions more it would surprise me

[Frichuela]

We are doomed...

If Beal somehow recovers from his slump, there is 100% probability that Terd&Tommy will sign him to the super Max. Which, for the record and in my view, would be a HUGE mistake. Brad ain't a top 15 player and never will be. Frankly, we have a large enough sample to know this is the case.

And if he continuous his atrocious performance, 100% unlikely that we'll be able to trade him by the deadline...

[nate33]

We are doomed...

If Beal somehow recovers from his slump, there is 100% probability that Terd&Tommy will sign him to the super Max. Which, for the record and in my view, would be a HUGE mistake. Brad ain't a top 15 player and never will be. Frankly, we have a large enough sample to know this is the case.

And if he continuous his atrocious performance, 100% unlikely that we'll be unable to trade him by the deadline...

Beal might have been a top 15 player last year, but if so, he was just barely on the fringe. But I agree with the greater point that a team with Beal as its best player isn't going to win a championship. And one wonders how it would be possible to add a teammate better than Beal after paying Beal a supermax.

I've already resigned myself to the fact that this team will not contend during the Beal era. I'm a realist and I know contention is a near impossibility without a generational talent. I'm just hoping for a few 50-win seasons. I'm okay with a few years of sustained winning basketball even if there's no true championship hope. It doesn't have to be a "contender" or "rebuild" dichotomy.

[FAH1223]

Brad can't

Shoot 3s

Take care of the ball

Get FTs with new rules

Drew Hanlen messed up a pure shooting form!

[prime1time]

Like everything else on this forum, people just hyperventilate and are prisoners of the moment. Rui will never play again. Brad will never be good again. We should tear it down and rebuild because we are guaranteed to have better luck next rebuild.

[prime1time]

We are doomed...

If Beal somehow recovers from his slump, there is 100% probability that Terd&Tommy will sign him to the super Max. Which, for the record and in my view, would be a HUGE mistake. Brad ain't a top 15 player and never will be. Frankly, we have a large enough sample to know this is the case.

And if he continuous his atrocious performance, 100% unlikely that we'll be able to trade him by the deadline...

More than doomed, it is completely hopeless. This is the worst situation the Wizards have ever been in.

[nate33]

Drew Hanlen messed up a pure shooting form!

That's actually an interesting point.

Hanlen has done wonders for Beal's off-the-bounce game, but is it possible that he screwed up Beal's shooting form? There is no question that Beal shot the ball better early in his career.

On the other hand, I think Hanlen has been with Beal ever since Beal was a pro, so there's no reason to think Hanlen screwed up Beal's shot after his 5th season if he didn't screw it up in the first 5 seasons.

[dlts20]

Brad the real "Steal" Beal. Dude is straight up stealing money like Bertans now. Wassup with the fts. That's the most surprising thing to me because his game is not that of a Steph, Lillard, harden, etc. The new emphasis shouldn't effect someone with his type of game.

As for his 3pt shot, a lot of people started to hate on Wall but Brad was a much better shooter when Wall both had the ball 90 percent of the time and was giving him open looks. He doesn't get those same locks with Russ and Spence but he also creates for himself and others a lot more than he did with Wall which all makes the looks and shots he takes tougher. Not to mention, making him far more turnover prone. I still think that Wall is a much better fit for us and Brad then Russ or Spencer

[nate33]

Brad the real "Steal" Beal. Dude is straight up stealing money like Bertans now. Wassup with the fts. That's the most surprising thing to me because his game is not that of a Steph, Lillard, harden, etc. The new emphasis shouldn't effect someone with his type of game.

As for his 3pt shot, a lot of people started to hate on Wall but Brad was a much better shooter when Wall both had the ball 90 percent of the time and was giving him open looks. He doesn't get those same locks with Russ and Spence but he also creates for himself and others a lot more than he did with Wall which all makes the looks and shots he takes tougher. Not to mention, making him far more turnover prone. I still think that Wall is a much better fit for us and Brad then Russ or Spencer

Well, the Wall of 4 years ago was. I don't know about the Wall of today.

[dlts20]

Brad the real "Steal" Beal. Dude is straight up stealing money like Bertans now. Wassup with the fts. That's the most surprising thing to me because his game is not that of a Steph, Lillard, harden, etc. The new emphasis shouldn't effect someone with his type of game.

As for his 3pt shot, a lot of people started to hate on Wall but Brad was a much better shooter when Wall both had the ball 90 percent of the time and was giving him open looks. He doesn't get those same locks with Russ and Spence but he also creates for himself and others a lot more than he did with Wall which all makes the looks and shots he takes tougher. Not to mention, making him far more turnover prone. I still think that Wall is a much better fit for us and Brad then Russ or Spencer

Well, the Wall of 4 years ago was. I don't know about the Wall of today.

Again, I watched all of his Houston games last year. Imo he still looked the same but didn't fit the system. Silas does not demand for the bugs or anyone to set picks. All of them slip the pic so wall has no advantage. His defender is still right in front of him so now wall is stuck at the top of the key with his man right on him and every offensive player is covered because the D hasn't shifted. Now he is forced into an iso play or passing it to a covered player. I'm surprised that Wall never even said anything. A guy like Wood is so worried about being a black hole scorer that he slips everything to quickly get the ball back, not knowing that he would actually get the ball more if he set the pick for Wall

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Silas and Bickerstaff are coaching as well as WUJ.


I no longer believe we have the COTY.

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[JWizmentality]

Brad the real "Steal" Beal. Dude is straight up stealing money like Bertans now. Wassup with the fts. That's the most surprising thing to me because his game is not that of a Steph, Lillard, harden, etc. The new emphasis shouldn't effect someone with his type of game.

As for his 3pt shot, a lot of people started to hate on Wall but Brad was a much better shooter when Wall both had the ball 90 percent of the time and was giving him open looks. He doesn't get those same locks with Russ and Spence but he also creates for himself and others a lot more than he did with Wall which all makes the looks and shots he takes tougher. Not to mention, making him far more turnover prone. I still think that Wall is a much better fit for us and Brad then Russ or Spencer

Well, the Wall of 4 years ago was. I don't know about the Wall of today.

Wall today probably has a better jumpshot than Beal.