I see a potential star in Franz Wagner

Johnny Firpo · Post #1 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:00 am

Size, length, playmaking, pretty decent defender already, and what's the most surprising to me, is his ball-handling, at least compared to what we thought he would have this early. He was so good and consistent that now they have given him the ball, which is surprising, even on that roster. What a prospect Magic fans!

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BuddyBuckets · Post #2 » by **BuddyBuckets** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:17 am

I see a glue guy, kinda peak of Jrue Holiday on offense, but the sky is the limit really he could really be unleashed with the Magic a few years away from doing anything.

God Squad · Post #3 » by **God Squad** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 10:19 am

I comp him to a Gordon Hayward type, but not as good a play maker. He's been balling out and defiantly a consolation prize considering Suggs slow start compared.

Dutchball97 · Post #4 » by **Dutchball97** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 11:04 am

This rookie class is shaping up to be pretty amazing.

Rich Michmond · Post #5 » by **Rich Michmond** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 11:27 am

I still believe in Mo Wagner.

righterwriter · Post #6 » by **righterwriter** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 11:53 am

Kuminga had quite a few highlights against him last night in limited minutes.

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God Squad · Post #7 » by **God Squad** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 12:12 pm

righterwriter wrote:Kuminga had quite a few highlights against him last night in limited minutes.

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Meh, the putback was pretty af though. But Wagner just played 31 mins in a blowout, so Kuminga comes in and plays 12 mins with fresh legs against a weak bench. But it's great that Kuminga is starting to get mins and show what he can do.

WargamesX · Post #8 » by **WargamesX** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 12:20 pm

I think his ceiling is Otto Porter if he wasn’t injury prone.

Saul Goodman · Post #9 » by **Saul Goodman** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 12:20 pm

Orlando is going to be a problem if Suggs can hit his potential. Suggs/Anthony/Wagner/Isaac/carter/2022 nba draft pick

zaymon · Post #10 » by **zaymon** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 12:28 pm

God Squad wrote:
righterwriter wrote:Kuminga had quite a few highlights against him last night in limited minutes.

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Meh, the putback was pretty af though. But Wagner just played 31 mins in a blowout, so Kuminga comes in and plays 12 mins with fresh legs against a weak bench. But it's great that Kuminga is starting to get mins and show what he can do.

Its not Franz Wagner guys its his slow footed brother Moritz Wagner. Kuminga scored few buckets against our third stringers.

I think Franz has every tool to be great. Hayward is not that close. He is much smaller, worse passer as a rookie, worse defender. It will come down to development becouse Gordon improved a lot.
I see more Turkoglu or Gallinari with better passing.

God Squad · Post #11 » by **God Squad** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 12:54 pm

zaymon wrote::)
God Squad wrote:
righterwriter wrote:Kuminga had quite a few highlights against him last night in limited minutes.

Watch on YouTube

Meh, the putback was pretty af though. But Wagner just played 31 mins in a blowout, so Kuminga comes in and plays 12 mins with fresh legs against a weak bench. But it's great that Kuminga is starting to get mins and show what he can do.

Its not Franz Wagner guys its his slow footed brother Moritz Wagner. Kuminga scored few buckets against our third stringers.

I think Franz has every tool to be great. Hayward is not that close. He is much smaller, worse passer as a rookie, worse defender. It will come down to development becouse Gordon improved a lot.
I see more Turkoglu or Gallinari with better passing.

I thought that was Mo. Do you think the Gordon comp is far off? IMO they play somewhat similar. I can also see Gallinari with better defense also. I don't think he'll ever be the playmaker Hedo was though, but I've been wrong plenty of times.

Post #12 » by **cupcakesnake** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:10 pm

Loved Franz Wagner's defense in college. Use his feet well to play lockdown defense, and was blocking shots on the perimeter.

I didn't see the handles or the ability to attack the rim in college though. I thought he was going to be a do-it-all glue guy without much scoring juice.

righterwriter · Post #13 » by **righterwriter** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 1:44 pm

zaymon wrote::)
God Squad wrote:
righterwriter wrote:Kuminga had quite a few highlights against him last night in limited minutes.

Watch on YouTube

Meh, the putback was pretty af though. But Wagner just played 31 mins in a blowout, so Kuminga comes in and plays 12 mins with fresh legs against a weak bench. But it's great that Kuminga is starting to get mins and show what he can do.

Its not Franz Wagner guys its his slow footed brother Moritz Wagner. Kuminga scored few buckets against our third stringers.

I think Franz has every tool to be great. Hayward is not that close. He is much smaller, worse passer as a rookie, worse defender. It will come down to development becouse Gordon improved a lot.
I see more Turkoglu or Gallinari with better passing.

Thanks for the clarification.

lambchop · Post #14 » by **lambchop** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:27 pm

Craftiness reminds me of Ginobili, but manu was definitely more athletic

Post #15 » by **Reeko** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:38 pm

My concern for him coming out of college was his lack of aggressiveness looking for his own shot, glad to see that he's being fairly assertive early in the season. Definitely wasn't expecting these types of performances from him, but I also understood that his game was much more suited to the NBA style of play, vs summer league where he was pretty terrible.

I really do hope the Magic figure it out and develop a good team, that franchise has been a mess for years.

zaymon · Post #16 » by **zaymon** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:20 pm

God Squad wrote:
zaymon wrote::)
God Squad wrote:Meh, the putback was pretty af though. But Wagner just played 31 mins in a blowout, so Kuminga comes in and plays 12 mins with fresh legs against a weak bench. But it's great that Kuminga is starting to get mins and show what he can do.

Its not Franz Wagner guys its his slow footed brother Moritz Wagner. Kuminga scored few buckets against our third stringers.

I think Franz has every tool to be great. Hayward is not that close. He is much smaller, worse passer as a rookie, worse defender. It will come down to development becouse Gordon improved a lot.
I see more Turkoglu or Gallinari with better passing.

I thought that was Mo. Do you think the Gordon comp is far off? IMO they play somewhat similar. I can also see Gallinari with better defense also. I don't think he'll ever be the playmaker Hedo was though, but I've been wrong plenty of times.

To be perfectly honest i would say play style of Hayward in body of Gallinari. Gordon is 6'7 and just moves differently, Its hard to compare 6'10 to 6'7. Regarding comparison to Turkoglu watch some highlights of his p&r passing you will be suprised

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draftnightsuit · Post #17 » by **draftnightsuit** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:22 pm

Everybody looks like a star on a trash team.

TwoStarz · Post #18 » by **TwoStarz** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 3:26 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:Orlando is going to be a problem if Suggs can hit his potential. Suggs/Anthony/Wagner/Isaac/carter/2022 nba draft pick

They've been becoming a problem for years. Still waiting.

That doesn't even look like a problem on paper...let alone on the court.

I like Wagner though and wanted warriors to get him

Johnny Firpo · Post #19 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:40 pm

draftnightsuit wrote:Everybody looks like a star on a trash team.

Not really, no, or at least not as effortlessly as he does.

thelead · Post #20 » by **thelead** » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:53 pm

God Squad wrote:
righterwriter wrote:Kuminga had quite a few highlights against him last night in limited minutes.

Watch on YouTube

Meh, the putback was pretty af though. But Wagner just played 31 mins in a blowout, so Kuminga comes in and plays 12 mins with fresh legs against a weak bench. But it's great that Kuminga is starting to get mins and show what he can do.

That was against the slow-footed MOE Wagner... not his brother Franz. I'm not sure what coach Mosely was thinking with that matchup.

edit: LOL... I see someone else called Moe slow footed :lol: