The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[MagicBagley18]

The 3rd star has been and will continue to be beal. Nothing has changed. Tatum wants to play with him and until he’s signed in Washington next offseason that’s gonna be the plan.

[zoyathedestroya]

Tatum-Beal-Embiid. Come on, Danny, make it happen!

[Bill Lumbergh]

Since Schroder is expiring, I think the only teams that'd want him are real contenders. Of the contenders, who needs a backup PG? With Kyrie out, Brooklyn could use one. I'd take Cam Thomas and a second for him. I also liked David Duke's youtube vids going into last year's draft.

[Shak_Celts]

Bradley Beal S&T might still be the play in the offseason. Cs have a bunch of tradeable salaries to match. Dunno how I feel about maxing Beal though when he's not even been better than PG or Butler in terms of playoff success. So it's still Tatum as your #1 but Cs get a better #2 with Brown playing 3rd banana or 2B. It also feels like we've already done that 3-wing thing when Hayward was healthy but they never really made it work.

We were one of the better teams when Hay was healthy tho, it seemed like it worked fine. Health was the bump in that road.

[CelticFaninLBC]

you're probably right. I feel like Jaylen is a Brad type of guy. Great contract too. Just hope he can be more durable moving forward. I am still a believer in Tatum/JB. I don't want to see another Vince/TMac break up.

The breakup that should happen is moving either Smart or Rob Williams. Just can't have two starters who can't shoot in today's NBA.

1) But those are our 2 best defenders. There's more to basketball than shooting. Defense is 50% of basketball. Smart is a 2x 1st team all defense and Rob is likely to make multiple all-defense teams in the near future. If you improve shooting but take a significantly hit on the defensive end, is it a good trade?

2) Over the past 3 seasons, Smart has shot better from 3 than Trae Young, Luka Doncic, Derozan, Booker, Westbrook, Beal, etc.

Agree that defense is very important and I'm not suggesting taking a significant hit on the defensive end.

All of those guys you mentioned are the focus of opposing defenses. Smart gets many open looks and takes some ill-advised shots.

Lastly, I'd prefer to keep Smart over Williams, but is easier to find a 3D guard than a 3D big.

[Curmudgeon]

The rumor now is that Sabonis wants out of Indiana, and has wanted to leave since last year.

[GoCeltics123]

The Wizards (15-14) have fallen off lately after a hot start but sources indicate they remain in a holding pattern with Beal until he signals he is unlikely to re-sign with the franchise.

From B Robb

[snowman]

I see many trade ideas for our Celtics, and most all of them are huge deals, or involve one of our top players.
IMO, I think it's a no brainer that we should keep:
Tatum, Brown, R. Williams, Horford, Richardson, G. Williams, Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Hauser and Kanter. That's 11 of the 17 we have under contract, and serve a purpose for the team. As far as Smart goes, I'm on the fence about him, but if he can stay at PG and not move to SG, I'd vote to keep him. So, that's 12.

The rest:
Schroder - If Brad thinks he can be resigned next season, keep him, if not, we need to move on from him.
Bruno - Project big man who can run up and down the court fast, but can only dunk. Time to move on from him also.
Parker - Why sign him, if your not going to play him ? I get that he may have been G. Will insurance, but it's time to move on.
Hernangomez - Why trade for him if your not going to play him ? It is convient that his contract isjust a bit more than we are into the lux tax area. Move him.
Thomas - He's on a 2 way so not much there, but could production be stepped up by moving him and signing someone else?

I think we should be looking at any combo of Schroder, Bruno, Parker and Hernangomez, along with a 1st to either get us under the lux tax this year, or bring in a 2nd level scorer into thrie salary slots or one of our TPE's. That just happens to be right at 17 mil in tradable ending contracts. (even Hernangomez's contract is not gaurenteed for next season) I sure a combo of players and a 1st can bring us back a usable player.
Our first rounder will be another draft and stash, simply because of 1) the youth we have on the roster now, and the 2 picks that are over seas that we don't have room for and will want to bring over next year. Move the pick now, while it has more value. Them once it's traded, go a winnig streak and make it one of the last picks in the first round. LOL

[zoyathedestroya]

Bradley Beal S&T might still be the play in the offseason. Cs have a bunch of tradeable salaries to match. Dunno how I feel about maxing Beal though when he's not even been better than PG or Butler in terms of playoff success. So it's still Tatum as your #1 but Cs get a better #2 with Brown playing 3rd banana or 2B. It also feels like we've already done that 3-wing thing when Hayward was healthy but they never really made it work.

We were one of the better teams when Hay was healthy tho, it seemed like it worked fine. Health was the bump in that road.

Hayward might have felt differently. One of the reasons he left is cos he felt he was underutilized in the offense. Can't blame him. It was my-turn, your-turn offense. He gives up the ball, it's likely he doesn't get it back. He cuts but no one finds him for the pass. "Didn't work out" might have been too harsh but you get the idea. I felt we never really maximized the skills of all 3 guys esp with what we're paying Gordo. Someone like Covington or Connaughton could've filled the stand-in-the-corner role Hayward played most of the time.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Somehow I still don't buy the "can't have two starters who can't shoot argument". Team with the best record is starting Looney and Draymond. Wiggins also wasn't a known shooter prior to coming to GS. They won titles starting Bogut and Draymond.

But then again, Tatum isn't Curry and Horford isn't Draymond. So maybe, that's the real issue.

Correct, Boston doesn't have Steph or Draymomd.

[Celts17Pride]

I see many trade ideas for our Celtics, and most all of them are huge deals, or involve one of our top players.
IMO, I think it's a no brainer that we should keep:
Tatum, Brown, R. Williams, Horford, Richardson, G. Williams, Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Hauser and Kanter. That's 11 of the 17 we have under contract, and serve a purpose for the team. As far as Smart goes, I'm on the fence about him, but if he can stay at PG and not move to SG, I'd vote to keep him. So, that's 12.

The rest:
Schroder - If Brad thinks he can be resigned next season, keep him, if not, we need to move on from him.
Bruno - Project big man who can run up and down the court fast, but can only dunk. Time to move on from him also.
Parker - Why sign him, if your not going to play him ? I get that he may have been G. Will insurance, but it's time to move on.
Hernangomez - Why trade for him if your not going to play him ? It is convient that his contract isjust a bit more than we are into the lux tax area. Move him.
Thomas - He's on a 2 way so not much there, but could production be stepped up by moving him and signing someone else?

I think we should be looking at any combo of Schroder, Bruno, Parker and Hernangomez, along with a 1st to either get us under the lux tax this year, or bring in a 2nd level scorer into thrie salary slots or one of our TPE's. That just happens to be right at 17 mil in tradable ending contracts. (even Hernangomez's contract is not gaurenteed for next season) I sure a combo of players and a 1st can bring us back a usable player.
Our first rounder will be another draft and stash, simply because of 1) the youth we have on the roster now, and the 2 picks that are over seas that we don't have room for and will want to bring over next year. Move the pick now, while it has more value. Them once it's traded, go a winnig streak and make it one of the last picks in the first round. LOL

If the Celtics need Horford's contract as salary to acquire a "3rd star" then the Celtics move him in a heartbeat otherwise there is no need to move him.

I'm not expecting any big move but it's silly to say no we are not trading for Bradley Beal because we don't want to move Big Al Horford.

[La Flame]

Sabonis is not that guy. Poor defender, no range. Doesn't fit here

[zoyathedestroya]

Lakers signing IT. Would rather have him than Schroder tbh.

[snowman]

I see many trade ideas for our Celtics, and most all of them are huge deals, or involve one of our top players.
IMO, I think it's a no brainer that we should keep:
Tatum, Brown, R. Williams, Horford, Richardson, G. Williams, Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Hauser and Kanter. That's 11 of the 17 we have under contract, and serve a purpose for the team. As far as Smart goes, I'm on the fence about him, but if he can stay at PG and not move to SG, I'd vote to keep him. So, that's 12.

The rest:
Schroder - If Brad thinks he can be resigned next season, keep him, if not, we need to move on from him.
Bruno - Project big man who can run up and down the court fast, but can only dunk. Time to move on from him also.
Parker - Why sign him, if your not going to play him ? I get that he may have been G. Will insurance, but it's time to move on.
Hernangomez - Why trade for him if your not going to play him ? It is convient that his contract isjust a bit more than we are into the lux tax area. Move him.
Thomas - He's on a 2 way so not much there, but could production be stepped up by moving him and signing someone else?

I think we should be looking at any combo of Schroder, Bruno, Parker and Hernangomez, along with a 1st to either get us under the lux tax this year, or bring in a 2nd level scorer into thrie salary slots or one of our TPE's. That just happens to be right at 17 mil in tradable ending contracts. (even Hernangomez's contract is not gaurenteed for next season) I sure a combo of players and a 1st can bring us back a usable player.
Our first rounder will be another draft and stash, simply because of 1) the youth we have on the roster now, and the 2 picks that are over seas that we don't have room for and will want to bring over next year. Move the pick now, while it has more value. Them once it's traded, go a winnig streak and make it one of the last picks in the first round. LOL

If the Celtics need Horford's contract as salary to acquire a "3rd star" then the Celtics move him in a heartbeat otherwise there is no need to move him.

I'm not expecting any big move but it's silly to say no we are not trading for Bradley Beal because we don't want to move Big Al Horford.

I agree 100%. I was mainly talking about the Jaylen Brown and/or Rob Williams, and too some extent Smart (of which I have been guilty of myself) trade ideas. I just think that with the collective brain trust and number crunchers we have on this forum, we could come up with something reasonable using the 4 I mentioned about, with one of our 1st rounders, and maybe one of the smaller TPE's, we would be able to find something that would work.

[playa-hater]

Tatum-Beal-Embiid. Come on, Danny, make it happen!

were trading Tatum to Utah??

[Bill Lumbergh]

Lakers signing IT. Would rather have him than Schroder tbh.

I honestly wanted to sign him for the vet min. What could it have hurt? If his hip is indeed right, he can score.

[playa-hater]

Lakers signing IT. Would rather have him than Schroder tbh.

I can't let this Go, without a comment. I agree. IT can Not play a lick of defense, is on a Kemba walker level of bad or worse.. And yet, his poor defense wouldn't be as a starter, but vs backups so not as magnified. but he can provide a scoring spark in a much better way than Schro.. He can flat out stroke the 3s, move the ball and get in the lane and distribute better than any of Schro's prime.

Try doubling up on Tatum with IT with there! try going under the screens with IT and the ball in his hands.

the Boston crowd would be so electric for IT.

All that and maybe just maybe the "Ju Ju' we seem to have will be cleansed..

[zoyathedestroya]

Lakers signing IT. Would rather have him than Schroder tbh.

I can't let this Go, without a comment. I agree. IT can Not play a lick of defense, is on a Kemba walker level of bad or worse.. And yet, his poor defense wouldn't be as a starter, but vs backups so not as magnified. but he can provide a scoring spark in a much better way than Schro.. He can flat out stroke the 3s, move the ball and get in the lane and distribute better than any of Schro's prime.

Try doubling up on Tatum with IT with there! try going under the screens with IT and the ball in his hands.

the Boston crowd would be so electric for IT.

All that and maybe just maybe the "Ju Ju' we seem to have will be cleansed..

I know it's towards the end of your post, but you had me at "Ju Ju".

Also, I feel IT would just be happy to be on a team. Ime can choose to play PP over him in some games and he wouldn't mind. Can't do that with DS who's playing for his next contract.

[playa-hater]

Lakers signing IT. Would rather have him than Schroder tbh.

I can't let this Go, without a comment. I agree. IT can Not play a lick of defense, is on a Kemba walker level of bad or worse.. And yet, his poor defense wouldn't be as a starter, but vs backups so not as magnified. but he can provide a scoring spark in a much better way than Schro.. He can flat out stroke the 3s, move the ball and get in the lane and distribute better than any of Schro's prime.

Try doubling up on Tatum with IT with there! try going under the screens with IT and the ball in his hands.

the Boston crowd would be so electric for IT.

All that and maybe just maybe the "Ju Ju' we seem to have will be cleansed..

I know it's towards the end of your post, but you had me at "Ju Ju".

Also, I feel IT would just be happy to be on a team. Ime can choose to play PP over him in some games and he wouldn't mind. Can't do that with DS who's playing for his next contract.

agree again.. probably would take PP under his wings as well. So who should I blame for this? Good ol Brad (who absolutely knows IT as a person and player) or our good ol "defensive first" coach Ime??

I need to vent at someone!!

[Bill Lumbergh]

Lakers signing IT. Would rather have him than Schroder tbh.

I can't let this Go, without a comment. I agree. IT can Not play a lick of defense, is on a Kemba walker level of bad or worse.. And yet, his poor defense wouldn't be as a starter, but vs backups so not as magnified. but he can provide a scoring spark in a much better way than Schro.. He can flat out stroke the 3s, move the ball and get in the lane and distribute better than any of Schro's prime.

Try doubling up on Tatum with IT with there! try going under the screens with IT and the ball in his hands.

the Boston crowd would be so electric for IT.

All that and maybe just maybe the "Ju Ju' we seem to have will be cleansed..

Completely agree.