Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition

[Jeffrey]

Fox and Bagley

for

Randle, Knox, Kemba, no.10 and 2nd round pick

Fox | Rose | McBride
Fournier | IQ | Burks
RJ | Grimes
Obi | Bagley
Robinson | Noel | Gibson

[WargamesX]

Fox and Bagley

for

Randle, Knox, Kemba, no.10 and 2nd round pick

Fox | Rose | McBride
Fournier | IQ | Burks
RJ | Grimes
Obi | Bagley
Robinson | Noel | Gibson

I don’t like that deal for the Knicks.

Randle and #10 is an overpay for Fox and I don’t think the “new” team is better than the team we have now.

[Esq-4]

Fox and Bagley

for

Randle, Knox, Kemba, no.10 and 2nd round pick

Fox | Rose | McBride
Fournier | IQ | Burks
RJ | Grimes
Obi | Bagley
Robinson | Noel | Gibson

I don’t like that deal for the Knicks.

Randle and #10 is an overpay for Fox and I don’t think the “new” team is better than the team we have now.

We need to be careful where we trade Kemba. We already look bad benching him. If we trade him, it should be to a contender, or at least the Lakers.

What about swapping out Walker for Noel and our pick for Dallas pick?

Crowds the back court, but Rose and Walker really should both get moved to a team where they have a chance. Dump EF where you can and play the kids.

[Nazrmohamed]

Fox and Bagley

for

Randle, Knox, Kemba, no.10 and 2nd round pick

Fox | Rose | McBride
Fournier | IQ | Burks
RJ | Grimes
Obi | Bagley
Robinson | Noel | Gibson

I don’t like that deal for the Knicks.

Randle and #10 is an overpay for Fox and I don’t think the “new” team is better than the team we have now.

Yeah, Knicks fans are often very emotional. Let's for a second understand what we have here. We have an established allstar who brought his team to the playoffs but is now underperforming and we are upset about it. The Kings have a young player who's never won before or gotten close to the playoffs.......who is underperformed.

Idk why we often assume that other players on underperformed teams are much better than our own and this goes for Christian Wood as well. I mean, if everyone is OK with guys who simply put up stats on bad teams then why trade Julius in the first place. What makes us think that other players on teams who are underperforming are way better than ours players who are underperformed.

And hey, it definitely could be the fit, playstyle and all that stuff. I'd love to get Fox but does anybody even know why Fox is being made available or why the Kings don't perform. Well for one Fox doesn't play any defense. He ranks in the bottom 5 of defensive guards so just be careful when assigning value to other players. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. While you now have what you believe is a PG who will get the best of others (well wait, is that's what's happening with the Kings cuz I remember them losing allot) what you also get is poor defense on a team who's coach wants everything to start and finish with defense. How do we even know that Thibs will allow Fox to be Fox?

My point isn't to bash Fox or say don't trade for him using Julius. I'm only saying it's not like it's this winning allstar where I feel he has anymore value than Julius. In fact I think Julius' value should be higher. To me maybe Sacramento should be parting with picks

[spree2kawhi]

We should really trade for Jaylen Brown.

Brown and Timelord for Mitch, IQ and Randle.

Then trade RJ too, maybe with a pick for Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker (or Forbes).


Murray
Walker III
Brown
Obi
Timelord

I’d absolutely love it. A well-rounded core. No nonsense.

Spurs look good too: White, RJ, Vassell, Johnson, Poeltl

Celtics: Schroeder, Smart (IQ), Tatum, Randle, Mitch

More pieces: Rose, Kemba, Noel, Fournier all still there for depth or trades.

[WargamesX]

We should really trade for Jaylen Brown.

Brown and Timelord for Mitch, IQ and Randle.

Then trade RJ too, maybe with a pick for Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker (or Forbes).


Murray
Walker III
Brown
Obi
Timelord

I’d absolutely love it. A well-rounded core. No nonsense.

Spurs look good too: White, RJ, Vassell, Johnson, Poeltl

Celtics: Schroeder, Smart (IQ), Tatum, Randle, Mitch

More pieces: Rose, Kemba, Noel, Fournier all still there for depth or trades.

It’s not a bad trade I just don’t see the Celtics trading Jaylen Brown. He and Tatum are both too good and too young to give up on that experiment yet. It’s like a Dame and CJ combo but arguably better.

[flaco]

Celtics fan here. Was impressed with Quickley's game last season. He reminded me of a poor man's Tony Parker: loves the floater (Parker's go-to move), score-first mentality, explosive, can run the PnR. He also has the physical tools to become a better defender than Parker. Has his game regressed this season? You guys have definitely watched him more than I have. What are his biggest strengths and weaknesses? Could he be available for the right price?

[3toheadmelo]

Celtics fan here. Was impressed with Quickley's game last season. He reminded me of a poor man's Tony Parker: loves the floater (Parker's go-to move), score-first mentality, explosive, can run the PnR. He also has the physical tools to become a better defender than Parker. Has his game regressed this season? You guys have definitely watched him more than I have. What are his biggest strengths and weaknesses? Could he be available for the right price?

I’m down for a Payton Pritchard swap

[TheGreenArrow]

Celtics fan here. Was impressed with Quickley's game last season. He reminded me of a poor man's Tony Parker: loves the floater (Parker's go-to move), score-first mentality, explosive, can run the PnR. He also has the physical tools to become a better defender than Parker. Has his game regressed this season? You guys have definitely watched him more than I have. What are his biggest strengths and weaknesses? Could he be available for the right price?

I’m down for a Payton Pritchard swap

I love you man I really do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never change 3tothehead Never change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nazrmohamed]

We should really trade for Jaylen Brown.

Brown and Timelord for Mitch, IQ and Randle.

Then trade RJ too, maybe with a pick for Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker (or Forbes).


Murray
Walker III
Brown
Obi
Timelord

I’d absolutely love it. A well-rounded core. No nonsense.

Spurs look good too: White, RJ, Vassell, Johnson, Poeltl

Celtics: Schroeder, Smart (IQ), Tatum, Randle, Mitch

More pieces: Rose, Kemba, Noel, Fournier all still there for depth or trades.

I really like Jalen Brown but don't like this whole premise of a trade. See to me Jalen is a win now talent and the rest of your trade feels like a rebuild outside of timelird. To me if you're gonna do the trade and then turn around and trade RJ anyway then why not just try to get Brown and see if he's the piece that Julius needed all along.

I would prefer to trade RJ/Mitch and maybe Fournier for filler for Jalen and timelord

Kemba/ Rose
Burks/Quickley
Brown/Grimes
Randle/Toppin
Timelord/Noel

Then just see how that goes until the offseason.

[flaco]

We should really trade for Jaylen Brown.

Brown and Timelord for Mitch, IQ and Randle.

Then trade RJ too, maybe with a pick for Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker (or Forbes).


Murray
Walker III
Brown
Obi
Timelord

I’d absolutely love it. A well-rounded core. No nonsense.

Spurs look good too: White, RJ, Vassell, Johnson, Poeltl

Celtics: Schroeder, Smart (IQ), Tatum, Randle, Mitch

More pieces: Rose, Kemba, Noel, Fournier all still there for depth or trades.

I really like Jalen Brown but don't like this whole premise of a trade. See to me Jalen is a win now talent and the rest of your trade feels like a rebuild outside of timelird. To me if you're gonna do the trade and then turn around and trade RJ anyway then why not just try to get Brown and see if he's the piece that Julius needed all along.

I would prefer to trade RJ/Mitch and maybe Fournier for filler for Jalen and timelord

Kemba/ Rose
Burks/Quickley
Brown/Grimes
Randle/Toppin
Timelord/Noel

Then just see how that goes until the offseason.

You guys live in fantasy land. Boston refused to make Brown available for Kawhi or Harden, but they'll somehow trade him for Randle. Seems legit. NY also gets Timelord who's Boston's 3rd most valuable asset behind Tatum and Brown! Btw, they were unwilling to re-sign Fournier a few months ago. They'll now take him back cause apparently he's killing it in NY!

[spree2kawhi]

We should really trade for Jaylen Brown.

Brown and Timelord for Mitch, IQ and Randle.

Then trade RJ too, maybe with a pick for Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker (or Forbes).


Murray
Walker III
Brown
Obi
Timelord

I’d absolutely love it. A well-rounded core. No nonsense.

Spurs look good too: White, RJ, Vassell, Johnson, Poeltl

Celtics: Schroeder, Smart (IQ), Tatum, Randle, Mitch

More pieces: Rose, Kemba, Noel, Fournier all still there for depth or trades.

I really like Jalen Brown but don't like this whole premise of a trade. See to me Jalen is a win now talent and the rest of your trade feels like a rebuild outside of timelird. To me if you're gonna do the trade and then turn around and trade RJ anyway then why not just try to get Brown and see if he's the piece that Julius needed all along.

I would prefer to trade RJ/Mitch and maybe Fournier for filler for Jalen and timelord

Kemba/ Rose
Burks/Quickley
Brown/Grimes
Randle/Toppin
Timelord/Noel

Then just see how that goes until the offseason.

You guys live in fantasy land. Boston refused to make Brown available for Kawhi or Harden, but they'll somehow trade him for Randle. Seems legit. NY also gets Timelord who's Boston's 3rd most valuable asset behind Tatum and Brown! Btw, they were unwilling to re-sign Fournier a few months ago, but they'll now take him back cause apparently he's killing it in NY!

Well think Boston need Randle.

[Jeffrey]

Fox and Bagley

for

Randle, Knox, Kemba, no.10 and 2nd round pick

Fox | Rose | McBride
Fournier | IQ | Burks
RJ | Grimes
Obi | Bagley
Robinson | Noel | Gibson

I don’t like that deal for the Knicks.

Randle and #10 is an overpay for Fox and I don’t think the “new” team is better than the team we have now.

Yeah, Knicks fans are often very emotional. Let's for a second understand what we have here. We have an established allstar who brought his team to the playoffs but is now underperforming and we are upset about it. The Kings have a young player who's never won before or gotten close to the playoffs.......who is underperformed.

Idk why we often assume that other players on underperformed teams are much better than our own and this goes for Christian Wood as well. I mean, if everyone is OK with guys who simply put up stats on bad teams then why trade Julius in the first place. What makes us think that other players on teams who are underperforming are way better than ours players who are underperformed.

And hey, it definitely could be the fit, playstyle and all that stuff. I'd love to get Fox but does anybody even know why Fox is being made available or why the Kings don't perform. Well for one Fox doesn't play any defense. He ranks in the bottom 5 of defensive guards so just be careful when assigning value to other players. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. While you now have what you believe is a PG who will get the best of others (well wait, is that's what's happening with the Kings cuz I remember them losing allot) what you also get is poor defense on a team who's coach wants everything to start and finish with defense. How do we even know that Thibs will allow Fox to be Fox?

My point isn't to bash Fox or say don't trade for him using Julius. I'm only saying it's not like it's this winning allstar where I feel he has anymore value than Julius. In fact I think Julius' value should be higher. To me maybe Sacramento should be parting with picks

Why would Sac do this? Now that they know what Tyrese Haliburton is and drafted Mitchell last summer, Fox is a tradeable asset and can balance out a Kings team that needs a legit big man (hence Randle).

Knicks need a long-term point guard. The irony is that we could've drafted Haliburton instead of Obi. Getting Bagley and having Obi start, I think Thibs would like this group if the ball moves around better with our guards and wings. We still get to keep 2 rim protectors at all time which is what Thibs like.

What is this board looking for? To trade for someone at peak value but pay Dollar Store price? Fox isn't at his peak, Randle isn't at his peak and maybe it's time for a change of scenery.

BTW, this doesn't mean I hate Randle OR Kemba. Maybe it's time to have Fox our main guy rather than Randle.

[HarthorneWingo]

Fox and Bagley

for

Randle, Knox, Kemba, no.10 and 2nd round pick

Fox | Rose | McBride
Fournier | IQ | Burks
RJ | Grimes
Obi | Bagley
Robinson | Noel | Gibson

I don’t like that deal for the Knicks.

Randle and #10 is an overpay for Fox and I don’t think the “new” team is better than the team we have now.

Knox is about to break out

[Nazrmohamed]

I don’t like that deal for the Knicks.

Randle and #10 is an overpay for Fox and I don’t think the “new” team is better than the team we have now.

Yeah, Knicks fans are often very emotional. Let's for a second understand what we have here. We have an established allstar who brought his team to the playoffs but is now underperforming and we are upset about it. The Kings have a young player who's never won before or gotten close to the playoffs.......who is underperformed.

Idk why we often assume that other players on underperformed teams are much better than our own and this goes for Christian Wood as well. I mean, if everyone is OK with guys who simply put up stats on bad teams then why trade Julius in the first place. What makes us think that other players on teams who are underperforming are way better than ours players who are underperformed.

And hey, it definitely could be the fit, playstyle and all that stuff. I'd love to get Fox but does anybody even know why Fox is being made available or why the Kings don't perform. Well for one Fox doesn't play any defense. He ranks in the bottom 5 of defensive guards so just be careful when assigning value to other players. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. While you now have what you believe is a PG who will get the best of others (well wait, is that's what's happening with the Kings cuz I remember them losing allot) what you also get is poor defense on a team who's coach wants everything to start and finish with defense. How do we even know that Thibs will allow Fox to be Fox?

My point isn't to bash Fox or say don't trade for him using Julius. I'm only saying it's not like it's this winning allstar where I feel he has anymore value than Julius. In fact I think Julius' value should be higher. To me maybe Sacramento should be parting with picks

Why would Sac do this? Now that they know what Tyrese Haliburton is and drafted Mitchell last summer, Fox is a tradeable asset and can balance out a Kings team that needs a legit big man (hence Randle).

Knicks need a long-term point guard. The irony is that we could've drafted Haliburton instead of Obi. Getting Bagley and having Obi start, I think Thibs would like this group if the ball moves around better with our guards and wings. We still get to keep 2 rim protectors at all time which is what Thibs like.

What is this board looking for? To trade for someone at peak value but pay Dollar Store price? Fox isn't at his peak, Randle isn't at his peak and maybe it's time for a change of scenery.

BTW, this doesn't mean I hate Randle OR Kemba. Maybe it's time to have Fox our main guy rather than Randle.

I'm not disagreeing with your desire for a trade I just think you're giving Sacramento more value than they deserve. You just said it, Haliburton is thier future and we're giving up a formidable player. I just dont like your idea that to get Fox I should have to give up Randle and a pick. Knicks fans recency bias be damned, Randle is a better player than Fox and Fox will have his own flaws that will have to be compensated for.

I'll do it but I ain't about to worship the ground he walks on, especially when they have a 3rd PG I could just pull a lesser trade for.

[Nazrmohamed]

Fox and Bagley

for

Randle, Knox, Kemba, no.10 and 2nd round pick

Fox | Rose | McBride
Fournier | IQ | Burks
RJ | Grimes
Obi | Bagley
Robinson | Noel | Gibson

I don’t like that deal for the Knicks.

Randle and #10 is an overpay for Fox and I don’t think the “new” team is better than the team we have now.

Knox is about to break out

Lmao

[WargamesX]

Celtics fan here. Was impressed with Quickley's game last season. He reminded me of a poor man's Tony Parker: loves the floater (Parker's go-to move), score-first mentality, explosive, can run the PnR. He also has the physical tools to become a better defender than Parker. Has his game regressed this season? You guys have definitely watched him more than I have. What are his biggest strengths and weaknesses? Could he be available for the right price?

He’s still good but they are asking him to play more PG than SG and there are growing pains. Especially because of the minute limitation and him coming off the bench with other ball handlers. I actually think he’s looking good considering the demands they put on him and he is still on track to becoming a quality PG in a season or two.

[WargamesX]

Yeah, Knicks fans are often very emotional. Let's for a second understand what we have here. We have an established allstar who brought his team to the playoffs but is now underperforming and we are upset about it. The Kings have a young player who's never won before or gotten close to the playoffs.......who is underperformed.

Idk why we often assume that other players on underperformed teams are much better than our own and this goes for Christian Wood as well. I mean, if everyone is OK with guys who simply put up stats on bad teams then why trade Julius in the first place. What makes us think that other players on teams who are underperforming are way better than ours players who are underperformed.

And hey, it definitely could be the fit, playstyle and all that stuff. I'd love to get Fox but does anybody even know why Fox is being made available or why the Kings don't perform. Well for one Fox doesn't play any defense. He ranks in the bottom 5 of defensive guards so just be careful when assigning value to other players. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. While you now have what you believe is a PG who will get the best of others (well wait, is that's what's happening with the Kings cuz I remember them losing allot) what you also get is poor defense on a team who's coach wants everything to start and finish with defense. How do we even know that Thibs will allow Fox to be Fox?

My point isn't to bash Fox or say don't trade for him using Julius. I'm only saying it's not like it's this winning allstar where I feel he has anymore value than Julius. In fact I think Julius' value should be higher. To me maybe Sacramento should be parting with picks

Why would Sac do this? Now that they know what Tyrese Haliburton is and drafted Mitchell last summer, Fox is a tradeable asset and can balance out a Kings team that needs a legit big man (hence Randle).

Knicks need a long-term point guard. The irony is that we could've drafted Haliburton instead of Obi. Getting Bagley and having Obi start, I think Thibs would like this group if the ball moves around better with our guards and wings. We still get to keep 2 rim protectors at all time which is what Thibs like.

What is this board looking for? To trade for someone at peak value but pay Dollar Store price? Fox isn't at his peak, Randle isn't at his peak and maybe it's time for a change of scenery.

BTW, this doesn't mean I hate Randle OR Kemba. Maybe it's time to have Fox our main guy rather than Randle.

I'm not disagreeing with your desire for a trade I just think you're giving Sacramento more value than they deserve. You just said it, Haliburton is thier future and we're giving up a formidable player. I just dont like your idea that to get Fox I should have to give up Randle and a pick. Knicks fans recency bias be damned, Randle is a better player than Fox and Fox will have his own flaws that will have to be compensated for.

I'll do it but I ain't about to worship the ground he walks on, especially when they have a 3rd PG I could just pull a lesser trade for.

It goes deeper. While not ideal, the Knicks PG situation isn’t dire. Kemba and Rose are both looking like good stop gaps (if they remain relatively healthy) and IQ and Deuce seem like they can be the PG duo of the future with some development.

The only trade for Randle and a top #10 pick that makes sense to me is to get legit superstar talent. We don’t have glaring weaknesses at any position, they just need superstar talent.

[Nazrmohamed]

Celtics fan here. Was impressed with Quickley's game last season. He reminded me of a poor man's Tony Parker: loves the floater (Parker's go-to move), score-first mentality, explosive, can run the PnR. He also has the physical tools to become a better defender than Parker. Has his game regressed this season? You guys have definitely watched him more than I have. What are his biggest strengths and weaknesses? Could he be available for the right price?

He’s still good but they are asking him to play more PG than SG and there are growing pains. Especially because of the minute limitation and him coming off the bench with other ball handlers. I actually think he’s looking good considering the demands they put on him and he is still on track to becoming a quality PG in a season or two.

I agree that he's playing better but where I disagree is his progression to PG. I think it's one of those things where the better Quick does in his current role the more it justifies (at least to Thibs and alot of fans) that that's the role he should stay and when he does get the opportunity at PG the leash is very tight. It's not the worst problem to have cuz again, in his current role he does well which keeps him on the floor. My issue with that is when you're somewhat of a tweener all it takes is for someone to emerge (Grimes?) who is more pure to one of those positions whether it be at PG or SG and he could find himself obsolete. So I wish the Knicks were a bit more patient with him at least in terms of being a PG. Right now it's not a huge concern but I'd like to see an actual plan over the next 2 yrs to get him more reps there. Last summer league he got the chance and there were mixes reviews. Honestly I didn't think he did so bad. He ranked 3rd amongst all contestants in assists at 7.2 but while doing so shot very inefficiently (remember he was in that slump). So it was like "here ya go, that was his failed chance"

[Ray Williams]

Fox and Bagley

for

Randle, Knox, Kemba, no.10 and 2nd round pick

Fox | Rose | McBride
Fournier | IQ | Burks
RJ | Grimes
Obi | Bagley
Robinson | Noel | Gibson

I don’t like that deal for the Knicks.

Randle and #10 is an overpay for Fox and I don’t think the “new” team is better than the team we have now.

Yeah, Knicks fans are often very emotional. Let's for a second understand what we have here. We have an established allstar who brought his team to the playoffs but is now underperforming and we are upset about it. The Kings have a young player who's never won before or gotten close to the playoffs.......who is underperformed.

Idk why we often assume that other players on underperformed teams are much better than our own and this goes for Christian Wood as well. I mean, if everyone is OK with guys who simply put up stats on bad teams then why trade Julius in the first place. What makes us think that other players on teams who are underperforming are way better than ours players who are underperformed.

And hey, it definitely could be the fit, playstyle and all that stuff. I'd love to get Fox but does anybody even know why Fox is being made available or why the Kings don't perform. Well for one Fox doesn't play any defense. He ranks in the bottom 5 of defensive guards so just be careful when assigning value to other players. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. While you now have what you believe is a PG who will get the best of others (well wait, is that's what's happening with the Kings cuz I remember them losing allot) what you also get is poor defense on a team who's coach wants everything to start and finish with defense. How do we even know that Thibs will allow Fox to be Fox?

My point isn't to bash Fox or say don't trade for him using Julius. I'm only saying it's not like it's this winning allstar where I feel he has anymore value than Julius. In fact I think Julius' value should be higher. To me maybe Sacramento should be parting with picks

We have different definitions of the word established.Making the all star team 1 year and then playing like a scrub in the playoffs that same year is not what I would call established, I’d call that a fluke, especially when his success came with no fans in attendance. If that trade is available you jump on it.
This guy melts under pressure, a PF that can’t dribble and thinks he’s a point guard.