The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[Shak_Celts]

Sure, the Suns improved when they got CP3. So have they won a championship? Do we expect them to win one this year? I don't.

They're in legit contention and the only reason they won't be in the future is CP3 falling off a cliff due to age. If they had gotten him earlier in his career they could have a really long run as a powerhouse.

If not us, it will be us, then they are one of the few I wouldn't mind seeing get it. I have hate for any super team (unless Cs ) and any team that beats us (unless they play the Lakers), I want them to lose by any means necessary!

[GoGreen]

Getting a really good playmaker likely involves either trading Jaylen Brown or hoping Pop deals Dejounte Murray.

The top 30 in 2020-2021 Assists

Rk Player AST▼
1 Russell Westbrook 11.7 Too expensive
2 Trae Young 9.4 Unavailable
3 Draymond Green 8.9 Unavailable
4 Chris Paul 8.9 Unavailable
5 Luka Dončić 8.6 Unavailable
6 Nikola Jokić 8.3 Unavailable
7 Damian Lillard 7.5 Need to trade Brown
8 Ja Morant 7.4 Unavailable
9 De'Aaron Fox 7.2 Need to trade Brown
10 Jimmy Butler 7.1 Unavailable
11 DeMar DeRozan 6.9 Unavailable
12 Ben Simmons 6.9 Need to trade Brown
13 Domantas Sabonis 6.7 Need to trade Brown
14 T.J. McConnell 6.6 Meh
15 Ricky Rubio 6.4 Meh
16 Fred VanVleet 6.3 Meh
17 LaMelo Ball 6.1 Unavailable
18 Darius Garland 6.1 Unavailable
19 Jrue Holiday 6.1 Unavailable
20 Mike Conley 6 Unavailable
21 Kyrie Irving 6 No thanks
22 Julius Randle 6 Meh
23 Giannis Antetokounmpo 5.9 Unavailable
24 Malcolm Brogdon 5.9 Can't be traded
25 Stephen Curry 5.8 Unavailable
26 Dennis Schröder 5.8 Already have him
27 Lonzo Ball 5.7 Unavailable
28 Bam Adebayo 5.4 Unavailable
29 Devonte' Graham 5.4 Meh
30 Khris Middleton 5.4 Unavailable

Top 30 in 2021-2022 Assists
Rk Player AST▼
1 Chris Paul 10 Unavailabe
2 James Harden 9.8 Unavailabe
3 Trae Young 9.3 Unavailabe
4 Dejounte Murray 8.8 Maybe
5 Kyle Lowry 8.2 Unavailabe
6 Russell Westbrook 8.1 Too expensive
7 LaMelo Ball 8 Unavailabe
8 Draymond Green 7.5 Unavailabe
9 Damian Lillard 7.4 Need to trade Brown
10 Darius Garland 7.3 Unavailabe
11 Nikola Jokić 7.2 Unavailabe
12 D'Angelo Russell 6.7 No idea
13 Fred VanVleet 6.7 Meh
14 Jrue Holiday 6.5 Unavailabe
15 Ricky Rubio 6.5 Meh
16 Tyrese Haliburton 6.4 Need to trade Brown
17 Malcolm Brogdon 6.1 Can't trade in 2022
18 Josh Giddey 6.1 No idea
19 Bradley Beal 5.9 Need to trade Brown
20 Stephen Curry 5.9 Unavailabe
21 Kevin Durant 5.9 Unavailabe
22 Giannis Antetokounmpo 5.8 Unavailabe
23 Jalen Brunson 5.5 Meh
24 Paul George 5.5 Unavailabe
25 Marcus Smart 5.5 Aleady have him
26 Spencer Dinwiddie 5.4 Meh
27 Mike Conley 5.3 Unavailabe
28 Derrick White 5.3 No idea
29 Cade Cunningham 5.2 Unavailabe
30 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 5.2 Need to trade Brown

De'Aaron Fox is probably the most avbl since the Kings have to eventually part with someone. I don't even think it'll take Jaylen, but I'm not sure he's worth all the picks it WOULD take. The guy is not a floor general, he's got a score first mentality. Idk if this team needs that at the pg position.

[Curmudgeon]

All of those assist per game numbers are useless unless you tie then to usage. A player can't record an assist unless he has the ball.

[CelticFaninLBC]

All of those assist per game numbers are useless unless you tie then to usage. A player can't record an assist unless he has the ball.

Definitely need someone like Sabonis who can either lead his team to getting swept in the first round of the playoffs or getting a lottery pick.

[Curmudgeon]

All of those assist per game numbers are useless unless you tie then to usage. A player can't record an assist unless he has the ball.

Definitely need someone like Sabonis who can either lead his team to getting swept in the first round of playoffs or getting a lottery pick.

No we need Gary Harris, E'Twaun Moore and a couple of unprotected first round picks from Orlando.

[CelticFaninLBC]

All of those assist per game numbers are useless unless you tie then to usage. A player can't record an assist unless he has the ball.

Definitely need someone like Sabonis who can either lead his team to getting swept in the first round of playoffs or getting a lottery pick.

No we need Gary Harris, E'Twaun Moore and a couple of unprotected first round picks from Orlando.

Nice. Get some mid-FRP's. At least ask for Jalen Suggs, if you're dealing Brown.

[Curmudgeon]

You won't get Suggs but you might get Cole Anthony.

[MSTRJMES]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6fado8q

J.Brown+Nesmith+Schroeder for B.Simmons+Maxey

[pac213up]

I used to think we need a playmaker but what good is that going to do without shooters. The Jays are not the issue, the ability of others to make shots is. This is where Brad needs to start.

[Curmudgeon]

The J's ARE the issue because they always have the ball and they are mediocre shooters-- and turnover prone, especially in the clutch.

[Dangit]

I know we all have our opinions on what we should or shouldn't do but honestly I think something has to change.
What we have is simply not working. The Jays in my opinion are to similar and just don't seem to fit together .
It's a Shame that we couldn't have a glue guy like Hayward between them , but from what I heard he wanted no part of playing with Jaylen freezing him out of the offense anymore .

Brown is a talent. Trading him is probably our best chance at putting better fit next to Tatum . At this point you have to really worry about his Kobe and Laker obsession and we need to give him a reason to stay .

Imo Tatum , Timelord and Pritchard should be the only players you hold on to. Brad needs to completely rebuild this roster .( which won't be easy) but I do feel like we can't get much worse then the situation we are in now .

Our coach ..... well ... hopefully a better roster can be better suited to his style ... but I doubt it.

[Kalela]

I would trade J Brown (Schro?) for Dej Murray and Keldon Johnson. Wonder if SAS would??

You probably think very low of Jaylen Brown but you can get more than that for him. The big thing that concerns about Brown and that makes me believe trading him right now is not a bad idea is his injuries. If you pay attention to Brown, he walks around the court like someone who is playing hurt. That didn't use to be the case. I think his leg injuries will only continue to get worse. His value is probably the highest it will ever be at the moment.

[captain green]

What can smart , Langford, kanter, can't will, and Richardson get us??? Throw in anyone not named brown,pp, timelord, Tatum.

[Dangit]

I would trade J Brown (Schro?) for Dej Murray and Keldon Johnson. Wonder if SAS would??

You probably think very low of Jaylen Brown but you can get more than that for him. The big thing that concerns about Brown and that makes me believe trading him right now is not a bad idea is his injuries. If you pay attention to Brown, he walks around the court like someone who is playing hurt. That didn't use to be the case. I think his leg injuries will only continue to get worse. His value is probably the highest it will ever be at the moment.

He does look weird walking up and down the court .
He also is getting blocked left and right . ... I wonder how hurt he is..

[Larry_Russell]

Can the basis of the following deal work?

Levert to Detroit
Horford, romeo, schroder to indiana
Turner and grant to boston

Who needs picks or something added?

Smart/pritchard
Brown/richardson
Grant/nesmith
Tatum/grantw
Turner/timelord

[Ben-N1ce]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6fado8q

J.Brown+Nesmith+Schroeder for B.Simmons+Maxey

I'd do that deal.

I would trade J Brown (Schro?) for Dej Murray and Keldon Johnson. Wonder if SAS would??

You probably think very low of Jaylen Brown but you can get more than that for him. The big thing that concerns about Brown and that makes me believe trading him right now is not a bad idea is his injuries. If you pay attention to Brown, he walks around the court like someone who is playing hurt. That didn't use to be the case. I think his leg injuries will only continue to get worse. His value is probably the highest it will ever be at the moment.

Murray is putting up 18/8/9 a little over 2 turnovers a game..far better player than Jaylen this year. I'd say zero chance they'd even entertain throwing in Keldon too.. Jaylen is good scorer and that it's. Average defender rebounder and below average passer.

[Curmudgeon]

Let Detroit have Turner. I'll take Levert.

Detroit wants expiring contracts and picks for Grant, not players. Horford and a bunch of picks would probably fetch Grant without Indiana having to be involved.

[akidlittle]

Brown + extras for Haliburton + Hield?

[pac213up]

The J's ARE the issue because they always have the ball and they are mediocre shooters-- and turnover prone, especially in the clutch.

Brown's shooting is not an issue. Tatum has certainly been off this season. The team as a whole is fine with TO numbers.

I just no longer see adding a playmaker as the answer. The team gets plenty of good looks, they just miss more shots than most of the league. A lot of that is Tatum but when you have non shooting role players like Rob, Smart, Langford, Schroder, ect....it puts you in a tough spot. What has made it even worse is the uneven minutes have made it hard for Pritchard and Nesmith to find any rhythm. Non shooter minutes need to be replaced by shooter minutes for this team to find consistency. Getting more open looks for guys that cannot shoot is not going to do much. That is just the way I see it at this point.

[SLCceltic]

Stevens and the Celtics should be overpaying for the right point guard to team with Tatum and Brown. In my opinion that would change everything. Use as many draft picks as it takes.

Again, I just don’t know who that player is right now

KLowry is the only name that came to mind all offseason and I pounded table hard for him Rubio would improve things bit not at the rate we need

tabking hurts culture and pisses away another Jays window under contract season but this season is shot and can only be helped by trading scraps and picks for a superstar or tank it out and get a top 10 pick which hopefully is our PG

The have two large TPE to take on longer term money. Celtics need to find a team that will trade them the player they want for multiple draft picks and also to remove longer term deals from their roster. Celtics pay the tax but so be it.

Like I said, who that team is going to be is the problem

if we end up with a top ten pick De'Aaron Fox maybe Sac has to move somebody. Fox is a scorer not great from 3 but excellent from 2 and can get his own shot)

or we use the top 10 pick to draft our own guy. we need to rest the hell out of JB timelord, Al too, tell Smart to work even harder on his 3pt bombing get a top 10 pick