The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[zoyathedestroya]

I'd go after Ingles if UTA makes him available and if he won't cost much. Vet playmaker with size and shooting. Other guys on the team can cover for him defensively and he only plays 24-28 mins anyway. He's also expiring IINM.

Make it happen, Danny!

what would you expect to give up for Ingles?? or what would Danny boy want??

If I could give him his former draftees Yabu, Zizic, Hunter, and Young, I would.

[BleedGreen1989]

I'm sure it's been discussed but I've been absent for awhile.

Thoughts on MBrogdon? Not touching him with this achillas issue?

Besides that, like the Bogi/Smart swap. This team desperately needs shooting and playmaking.

Due to his extension Brogdon can't be traded this season. Would have to be in the summer.

If Indy blow it up between now and then and we're still looking for answers come this summer though, I'd certainly be interested. Especially if they were selling/tanking post Sabonis/Turner trades.

Ahh, that's why I have not heard anything

[playa-hater]

I'd go after Ingles if UTA makes him available and if he won't cost much. Vet playmaker with size and shooting. Other guys on the team can cover for him defensively and he only plays 24-28 mins anyway. He's also expiring IINM.

Make it happen, Danny!

what would you expect to give up for Ingles?? or what would Danny boy want??

If I could give him his former draftees Yabu, Zizic, Hunter, and Young, I would.

debating if I should LOL or not

[cl2117]

salaries might not work, but I wish you could swap Bogdan Bogdanovic for Redish but overall your trade is in the ball park of what should be done.

You couldn't with Marcus, but there's a couple deals you could do there. They were reportedly looking for a late lotto pick last year for Reddish and that's about where we are sitting now. Both teams need a shake up so who knows. I think C's would be the one adding to get the deal done.

You could do Schroder plus for Cam.

You could do Marcus, Romeo, Juancho plus for Cam and Gallinari.

If you want shooting Reddish and Gallinari would be a a solid duo to target (although I'm not sure I believe in Reddish's 3pt %).

We're in similar boats record wise, maybe we could offer a swap on our 2022 pick to sweeten it along with one of Romeo/Nesmith.

BOS: Reddish, Gallinari,
ATL: Smart, Romeo, Juancho, 2022 swap

They'd realistically want more, not sure I'd pay it, but it's interesting.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Smart's not an option for most teams, but teams like ATL and BKN can fit him in to what they're already doing because of the scoring they have.

Smart next to Trae is a great pairing. Same with Smart next to Harden/Kyrie/KD (he could literally take 0 shots a game and it'd be fine). You just gotta find the right trading partner with a backcourt pairing that'll hide Marcus' weaknesses and play to his strengths.

Smart for Bogi is currently my #1 hope. It's the shake up we need and addresses a glaring weakness. Bogi should age pretty well too.

Who plays pg? Bogi's more of a shooting guard right?

Schroder/Pritchard

I'd look to move for a third PG for real cheap. DJ Augustin in HOU probably could be had for Juancho and 2nd(s).

I thought Smart at PG would yield better results with him passing more/shooting less, but that really hasn't come to fruition. Not too worried about having a hole there because I feel like there already is one.

Schroder coming off the bench is fine. Schroder starting with Tatum and Brown seems like a disaster.

[zoyathedestroya]

what would you expect to give up for Ingles?? or what would Danny boy want??

If I could give him his former draftees Yabu, Zizic, Hunter, and Young, I would.

debating if I should LOL or not

I'm debating whether it would really help to trade away the one guy who competes every night (among top in the league in steals and loose balls recovered) for another ballhandler albeit better shooter when the real key to the team's success is for the Jays to improve and be more consistent in the stuff that matter -- offball movement, playmaking/involving other guys, ball movement, defense, valuing possessions, BBIQ, and mental toughness.

[cl2117]

Who plays pg? Bogi's more of a shooting guard right?

Schroder/Pritchard

I'd look to move for a third PG for real cheap. DJ Augustin in HOU probably could be had for Juancho and 2nd(s).

I thought Smart at PG would yield better results with him passing more/shooting less, but that really hasn't come to fruition. Not too worried about having a hole there because I feel like there already is one.

Schroder coming off the bench is fine. Schroder starting with Tatum and Brown seems like a disaster.

Honestly, I'd start Pritchard. What do we have to lose? Could be ugly, but would be interesting.

One of our major issues right now in terms of trying to land a big fish is a lack of top assets. We're not going anywhere special this year, we should be trying to develop the young guys even at the expense of our record. Short-term pain vs. long-term gain.

The only of our rookie scale guys who currently hold much value is probably Grant ironically enough. C's need to turn some of these guys into more valuable pieces. And if it's an utter disaster at least we get a better pick out of it.

[theman]

I agree with this. I think Bogdanovic is attainable. ATL has a lot of wings that can shoot. When healthy, Bogdan’s role could be limited in ATL. Problem would be Smart’s contract is close to untradable. I agree. This team needs a really good PG with reliable shooting. Plus a dead set shooter or two.

Smart's not an option for most teams, but teams like ATL and BKN can fit him in to what they're already doing because of the scoring they have.

Smart next to Trae is a great pairing. Same with Smart next to Harden/Kyrie/KD (he could literally take 0 shots a game and it'd be fine).

I don't think Smart can take 0 shots a game.

[cl2117]

I agree with this. I think Bogdanovic is attainable. ATL has a lot of wings that can shoot. When healthy, Bogdan’s role could be limited in ATL. Problem would be Smart’s contract is close to untradable. I agree. This team needs a really good PG with reliable shooting. Plus a dead set shooter or two.

Smart's not an option for most teams, but teams like ATL and BKN can fit him in to what they're already doing because of the scoring they have.

Smart next to Trae is a great pairing. Same with Smart next to Harden/Kyrie/KD (he could literally take 0 shots a game and it'd be fine).

I don't think Smart can take 0 shots a game.

I would LOVE to watch him try

[playa-hater]

If I could give him his former draftees Yabu, Zizic, Hunter, and Young, I would.

debating if I should LOL or not

I'm debating whether it would really help to trade away the one guy who competes every night (among top in the league in steals and loose balls recovered) for another ballhandler albeit better shooter when the real key to the team's success is for the Jays to improve and be more consistent in the stuff that matter -- offball movement, playmaking/involving other guys, ball movement, defense, valuing possessions, BBIQ, and mental toughness.

is it possible that a more established and trusted shooter and play-maker such as Ingles would get more "swing passes and touches" from Tatum?? (Brown never passes it much) similar to the way Hayward when he played?

[Fencer reregistered]

Schroder/Pritchard

I'd look to move for a third PG for real cheap. DJ Augustin in HOU probably could be had for Juancho and 2nd(s).

I thought Smart at PG would yield better results with him passing more/shooting less, but that really hasn't come to fruition. Not too worried about having a hole there because I feel like there already is one.

Schroder coming off the bench is fine. Schroder starting with Tatum and Brown seems like a disaster.

Honestly, I'd start Pritchard. What do we have to lose? Could be ugly, but would be interesting.

One of our major issues right now in terms of trying to land a big fish is a lack of top assets. We're not going anywhere special this year, we should be trying to develop the young guys even at the expense of our record. Short-term pain vs. long-term gain.

The only of our rookie scale guys who currently hold much value is probably Grant ironically enough. C's need to turn some of these guys into more valuable pieces. And if it's an utter disaster at least we get a better pick out of it.

I'd be open to starting Pritchard AND Smart. Then we might have a starting unit with decent passing talent.

PG Smart/Pritchard -- below average
SG Pritchard/Smart -- above average
SF Brown -- below average (but not as badly as when he's the SG)
PF Tatum -- above average (yes, really!)
C Timelord/Horford -- above average

That said -- as per the discussion about all Pritchard's front-rimmed shots, it's not clear that he has the conditioning right now to play starter minutes, especially since he needs to be a high-effort player at both ends of the floor.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Schroder/Pritchard

I'd look to move for a third PG for real cheap. DJ Augustin in HOU probably could be had for Juancho and 2nd(s).

I thought Smart at PG would yield better results with him passing more/shooting less, but that really hasn't come to fruition. Not too worried about having a hole there because I feel like there already is one.

Schroder coming off the bench is fine. Schroder starting with Tatum and Brown seems like a disaster.

Honestly, I'd start Pritchard. What do we have to lose? Could be ugly, but would be interesting.

One of our major issues right now in terms of trying to land a big fish is a lack of top assets. We're not going anywhere special this year, we should be trying to develop the young guys even at the expense of our record. Short-term pain vs. long-term gain.

The only of our rookie scale guys who currently hold much value is probably Grant ironically enough. C's need to turn some of these guys into more valuable pieces. And if it's an utter disaster at least we get a better pick out of it.

Agree there's a lack of assets. Smart for Bogi seems like a lateral move. If it's Smart & Nesmith for Bogi & Reddish, then go for it. Reddish has lots of potential.

If they need a shooter, maybe trade Big Al & Schroder for Bledsoe and Kennard.

[cl2117]

Schroder coming off the bench is fine. Schroder starting with Tatum and Brown seems like a disaster.

Honestly, I'd start Pritchard. What do we have to lose? Could be ugly, but would be interesting.

One of our major issues right now in terms of trying to land a big fish is a lack of top assets. We're not going anywhere special this year, we should be trying to develop the young guys even at the expense of our record. Short-term pain vs. long-term gain.

The only of our rookie scale guys who currently hold much value is probably Grant ironically enough. C's need to turn some of these guys into more valuable pieces. And if it's an utter disaster at least we get a better pick out of it.

Agree there's a lack of assets. Smart for Bogi seems like a lateral move. If it's Smart & Nesmith for Bogi & Reddish, then go for it. Reddish has lots of potential.

If they need a shooter, maybe trade Big Al & Schroder for Bledsoe and Kennard.

I hate to say it, but I think there is added value in moving away from Smart. I love the guy, but the team needs a shake up.

I'm fine with the lateral move because I think we can replace what Smart gives us with JRich to a large extent, but Bogi adds something that we're sorely lacking. Lateral move talent wise, but a step forward in terms of roster construction.

I'd also jump at Smart/Nesmith for Bogi/Reddish, but think ATL are going to be asking to add to that (which I'm not opposed to). I think they balk at gutting their wing/shooting depth since Nesmith can't even get minutes with us despite him supposedly being able to bring that to the table.

Hawks are interesting partners though given they are having an equally disappointing season to date.

No interest in Kennard. Think that's a horrible contract, never liked the player.

[playa-hater]

Schroder/Pritchard

I'd look to move for a third PG for real cheap. DJ Augustin in HOU probably could be had for Juancho and 2nd(s).

I thought Smart at PG would yield better results with him passing more/shooting less, but that really hasn't come to fruition. Not too worried about having a hole there because I feel like there already is one.

Schroder coming off the bench is fine. Schroder starting with Tatum and Brown seems like a disaster.

Honestly, I'd start Pritchard. What do we have to lose? Could be ugly, but would be interesting.

One of our major issues right now in terms of trying to land a big fish is a lack of top assets. We're not going anywhere special this year, we should be trying to develop the young guys even at the expense of our record. Short-term pain vs. long-term gain.

The only of our rookie scale guys who currently hold much value is probably Grant ironically enough. C's need to turn some of these guys into more valuable pieces. And if it's an utter disaster at least we get a better pick out of it.

PP doesn't have a high ceiling , but now way starting a pure shooter who doesn't require a lot of touches and spreads the floor next to the Js would be a disaster IMO.

[cl2117]

Schroder coming off the bench is fine. Schroder starting with Tatum and Brown seems like a disaster.

Honestly, I'd start Pritchard. What do we have to lose? Could be ugly, but would be interesting.

One of our major issues right now in terms of trying to land a big fish is a lack of top assets. We're not going anywhere special this year, we should be trying to develop the young guys even at the expense of our record. Short-term pain vs. long-term gain.

The only of our rookie scale guys who currently hold much value is probably Grant ironically enough. C's need to turn some of these guys into more valuable pieces. And if it's an utter disaster at least we get a better pick out of it.

PP doesn't have a high ceiling , but now way starting a pure shooter who doesn't require a lot of touches and spreads the floor next to the Js would be a disaster IMO.

When the shot isn't falling and he's being picked on defensively you might change your mind. But I'd cross that bridge when we come to it.

[playa-hater]

Schroder coming off the bench is fine. Schroder starting with Tatum and Brown seems like a disaster.

Honestly, I'd start Pritchard. What do we have to lose? Could be ugly, but would be interesting.

One of our major issues right now in terms of trying to land a big fish is a lack of top assets. We're not going anywhere special this year, we should be trying to develop the young guys even at the expense of our record. Short-term pain vs. long-term gain.

The only of our rookie scale guys who currently hold much value is probably Grant ironically enough. C's need to turn some of these guys into more valuable pieces. And if it's an utter disaster at least we get a better pick out of it.

I'd be open to starting Pritchard AND Smart. Then we might have a starting unit with decent passing talent.

PG Smart/Pritchard -- below average
SG Pritchard/Smart -- above average
SF Brown -- below average (but not as badly as when he's the SG)
PF Tatum -- above average (yes, really!)
C Timelord/Horford -- above average

That said -- as per the discussion about all Pritchard's front-rimmed shots, it's not clear that he has the conditioning right now to play starter minutes, especially since he needs to be a high-effort player at both ends of the floor.

with all fairness, even a starter doesn't play 45 minutes like PP did on that not.. I expect his conditioning would be fine playing the usual starter minutes of 28-34 min per

[zoyathedestroya]

debating if I should LOL or not

I'm debating whether it would really help to trade away the one guy who competes every night (among top in the league in steals and loose balls recovered) for another ballhandler albeit better shooter when the real key to the team's success is for the Jays to improve and be more consistent in the stuff that matter -- offball movement, playmaking/involving other guys, ball movement, defense, valuing possessions, BBIQ, and mental toughness.

is it possible that a more established and trusted shooter and play-maker such as Ingles would get more "swing passes and touches" from Tatum?? (Brown never passes it much) similar to the way Hayward when he played?

Maybe in theory. In practice, we've seen the actual Hayward get frozen out or ignored several possessions in a row, whether he cuts or stands open in the corner. Then he got blamed for not being aggressive enough. The two guys who assisted him the most during his last year were Smart and Kemba.

[playa-hater]

Honestly, I'd start Pritchard. What do we have to lose? Could be ugly, but would be interesting.

One of our major issues right now in terms of trying to land a big fish is a lack of top assets. We're not going anywhere special this year, we should be trying to develop the young guys even at the expense of our record. Short-term pain vs. long-term gain.

The only of our rookie scale guys who currently hold much value is probably Grant ironically enough. C's need to turn some of these guys into more valuable pieces. And if it's an utter disaster at least we get a better pick out of it.

PP doesn't have a high ceiling , but now way starting a pure shooter who doesn't require a lot of touches and spreads the floor next to the Js would be a disaster IMO.

When the shot isn't falling and he's being picked on defensively you might change your mind. But I'd cross that bridge when we come to it.

when his shot isn't falling is still OK, because I believe no defense will not stay up on him.. He will provide much better spacing for the Js regardless. and for being picked on, it can happen, but he is a tougher defender than many seem to think, and certainly better than anything IT had on defense. Boston still managed to be a good defensive team with IT.

Again PP has his limits, but his "floor" is still pretty good IMO.

[Triple7]

If I could give him his former draftees Yabu, Zizic, Hunter, and Young, I would.

debating if I should LOL or not

I'm debating whether it would really help to trade away the one guy who competes every night (among top in the league in steals and loose balls recovered) for another ballhandler albeit better shooter when the real key to the team's success is for the Jays to improve and be more consistent in the stuff that matter -- offball movement, playmaking/involving other guys, ball movement, defense, valuing possessions, BBIQ, and mental toughness.

The Jays had no problem passing the ball to a healthy hayward and kemba. I don’t think they really want to pass the ball to smart or dennis, especially at the final minutes of a close game. Rob can’t create his own shot as well. That’s 3 guys they probably don’t trust the ball with. That’s why the Jays revert to isos. Same thing happened last year when kemba and hayward was hurt, or playing hurt.

[BK_2020]

Starting and playing PP 36 mpg would get us closer to Chet Holmgren.