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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#181 » by Paradise » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:21 am

therealbig3 wrote:Let's do that thing where we blame Nash when things go wrong and then act like he doesn't exist when things go right.

We're really good at that.

He’s supposed to get credit for common sense?

I will give him the utmost credit for motivating these guys to play much harder but come on now, Bembry should’ve been starting. I assumed he was injured or something because I can’t understand how inserting Kyrie means pushing Bruce and Bembry out the line up. Seeing Blake get in the game before him was insane.

The jury is still out on him as a coach. Kyrie shedding the rust and looking like himself again just shows our Big 3 talent level can override poor coaching.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#182 » by GTR11 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:23 am

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Ehh, the Pacers were horrible. The Bucs would be too big against that lineup.


Miami will smoke us. We won't stop Bam and they got shooters.


You guys are being way too dramatic.

It was a really bad first half.

Not at all indicative of how we will play in April. We looked WAY WORSE last season.


There are legit reasons for that. Select players voiced their concerns as well.

And didn't improve since one bit either, your point. One can make a case that team actually was better, at least they were able to win games vs contenders and playoff teams. What exactly did this team do again?
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#183 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:23 am

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Harden has been playing big body defense down there in the paint


Houstons deep run in the playoffs in 17-18 when they took GSW to 7 in the WCF Harden was primarily a paint defender on switches he would almost always drop down and then one of Houston’s bigs PJ or Clint would go up. He is almost immovable down there. Would love to see Nash do the same in playoffs. Claxton is very Capela like.

We know Harden can play good defense it’s all about his effort. Good comparison with Capela, Claxton has so much potential but the timeline here is off unless he makes that next step soon. Might happen. I also think the difference last year was Dantoni. He had them running a lot of Mash screen sets just like Rockets did and now the Suns are doing if you watch that offense with CP3. With Kyrie and Durant this is just a deadly iso attack offense right now with some pick and pop sets.


Claxton is really stepping into his role this season, he's been posting some good stat lines and he has a PER of 18. He just needs to get stronger (having mono was a setback for him, he needs to watch who he's kissing out there).
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#184 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:25 am

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Miami will smoke us. We won't stop Bam and they got shooters.


You guys are being way too dramatic.

It was a really bad first half.

Not at all indicative of how we will play in April. We looked WAY WORSE last season.


There are legit reasons for that. Select players voiced their concerns as well.

And didn't improve since one bit either, your point. One can make a case that team actually was better, at least they were able to win games vs contenders and playoff teams. What exactly did this team do again?


Who cares.

We have Kevin Durant, James Harden and Kyrie Irving.

Who exactly are you worried about?

A few bad regular season wins. Means nothing.

The bulls are not a serious contender. The Bucks were losing to us by 50 before we got hurt. The Heat don't scare me one bit.

We have talent and time to gel. We will figure it out.

The only concern is injuries.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#185 » by 3pt_chucker » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:31 am

One thing I forgot and got immediately reminded watching this game is that Kyrie is the alpha of the team. KD is the best player and Harden is the PG but KAI is the real leader on the team. You can just see it with how he interacts with the players and how everyone listens to him. It's more than just his talent but his personality for some reason just resonates the most with everyone and he just galvanized the team.

It's great having him part time but we really need him for all games.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#186 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:32 am

Bucks just waived Cousins. They basically have no starting Center right now.

Brook Lopez had back surgery and "may" be back by the playoffs. Could be huge for them.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#187 » by Jay555 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:35 am

3pt_chucker wrote:One thing I forgot and got immediately reminded watching this game is that Kyrie is the alpha of the team. KD is the best player and Harden is the PG but KAI is the real leader on the team. You can just see it with how he interacts with the players and how everyone listens to him. It's more than just his talent but his personality for some reason just resonates the most with everyone and he just galvanized the team.

It's great having him part time but we really need him for all games.


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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#188 » by GTR11 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:35 am

Ok, some really believe we going to kill any team on talent alone, good luck with that. My only thing is, just don't go at players like Joe and blaming him for not being all star.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#189 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:36 am

3pt_chucker wrote:One thing I forgot and got immediately reminded watching this game is that Kyrie is the alpha of the team. KD is the best player and Harden is the PG but KAI is the real leader on the team. You can just see it with how he interacts with the players and how everyone listens to him. It's more than just his talent but his personality for some reason just resonates the most with everyone and he just galvanized the team.

It's great having him part time but we really need him for all games.


Kyrie was always the Alpha.

Hes the only reason KD or Harden came to the Nets in the first place.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#190 » by Ksny13 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:38 am

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Harden has been playing big body defense down there in the paint


Houstons deep run in the playoffs in 17-18 when they took GSW to 7 in the WCF Harden was primarily a paint defender on switches he would almost always drop down and then one of Houston’s bigs PJ or Clint would go up. He is almost immovable down there. Would love to see Nash do the same in playoffs. Claxton is very Capela like.

We know Harden can play good defense it’s all about his effort. Good comparison with Capela, Claxton has so much potential but the timeline here is off unless he takes that next step soon. Might happen. I also think the difference last year was Dantoni. He had them running a lot of Mash screen sets just like Rockets did and now the Suns are doing if you watch that offense with CP3. With Kyrie and Durant this is just a deadly iso attack offense with some pick and pop sets and the occasional cutter.


Absolutely great point about Mike D. I knew that loss would impact Brooklyn especially with such an inexperienced guy like Nash running the team. This offense is just desperate for any type of action at this point and there just isn’t anything. It’s purely ISO and pray one of the stars makes a play.

I really like Claxton as I did Capela. Clint was incredibly raw his 1st year in Houston behind Dwight but he greatly improved every year and I think a lot of that had to do with not only getting the proper minutes but being put in a situation to be successful and being surrounded by the right players and coaching ( the later Brooklyn doesn’t have ) but none the less I would still love to see Harden and Brooklyn use Claxton the way Capela was used offensively and defensively. Even being raw it would improve Brooklyn so much.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#191 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:39 am

GTR11 wrote:Ok, some really believe we going to kill any team on talent alone, good luck with that. My only thing is, just don't go at players like Joe and blaming him for not being all star.


Its not on "talent alone."

Despite your hysteria we are literally one game back of the #1 team in the East. Weve already proven we are one of the best teams in the league.

Thats without Kyrie or Joe Harris. And with Harden being fat and out of shape for months.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#192 » by Born_Ready » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:41 am

More importantly they ended their losing streak..
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#193 » by 3pt_chucker » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:43 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
3pt_chucker wrote:One thing I forgot and got immediately reminded watching this game is that Kyrie is the alpha of the team. KD is the best player and Harden is the PG but KAI is the real leader on the team. You can just see it with how he interacts with the players and how everyone listens to him. It's more than just his talent but his personality for some reason just resonates the most with everyone and he just galvanized the team.

It's great having him part time but we really need him for all games.


Kyrie was always the Alpha.

Hes the only reason KD or Harden came to the Nets in the first place.


It's a rare time when the 3rd(arguable with how James has looked this season) is the alpha dog. I'm not sure how many non-Nets fans actually know this.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#194 » by GTR11 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:44 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
GTR11 wrote:Ok, some really believe we going to kill any team on talent alone, good luck with that. My only thing is, just don't go at players like Joe and blaming him for not being all star.


Its not on "talent alone."

Despite your hysteria we are literally one game back of the #1 team in the East. Weve already proven we are one of the best teams in the league.

Thats without Kyrie or Joe Harris. And with Harden being fat and out of shape for months.

We will find out how seeding will help and your narrative change in a few months. Don't call me hater than.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#195 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:45 am

GTR11 wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
GTR11 wrote:Ok, some really believe we going to kill any team on talent alone, good luck with that. My only thing is, just don't go at players like Joe and blaming him for not being all star.


Its not on "talent alone."

Despite your hysteria we are literally one game back of the #1 team in the East. Weve already proven we are one of the best teams in the league.

Thats without Kyrie or Joe Harris. And with Harden being fat and out of shape for months.

We will find out how seeding will help and your narrative change in a few months. Don't call me hater than.


Seeding could only helps us since it would give us a Game 7 with Kyrie.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#196 » by GTR11 » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:51 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
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Its not on "talent alone."

Despite your hysteria we are literally one game back of the #1 team in the East. Weve already proven we are one of the best teams in the league.

Thats without Kyrie or Joe Harris. And with Harden being fat and out of shape for months.

We will find out how seeding will help and your narrative change in a few months. Don't call me hater than.


Seeding could only helps us since it would give us a Game 7 with Kyrie.


Opposite is true re Kyrie. He can't play home games.

As for seeding we will find out. If we get to play Miami in second round and Bucks in the conf finals it won't be ideal by any means. I'd slide few games just to get them on a same bracket. Seeing either one of them is better than both one after another.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#197 » by HardenGoat » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:53 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
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Hello Brooklyn wrote:
You guys are being way too dramatic.

It was a really bad first half.

Not at all indicative of how we will play in April. We looked WAY WORSE last season.


There are legit reasons for that. Select players voiced their concerns as well.

And didn't improve since one bit either, your point. One can make a case that team actually was better, at least they were able to win games vs contenders and playoff teams. What exactly did this team do again?


Who cares.

We have Kevin Durant, James Harden and Kyrie Irving.

Who exactly are you worried about?

A few bad regular season wins. Means nothing.

The bulls are not a serious contender. The Bucks were losing to us by 50 before we got hurt. The Heat don't scare me one bit.

We have talent and time to gel. We will figure it out.

The only concern is injuries.


Exactly. With the healthy big 3 there isn’t a team out there that can game plan them in the playoffs. You simply can’t double them and there’s no screen sets to really disrupt. That’s what people don’t understand. The only thing that to worry about is health and what level of defense they play at. Durant is an excellent defender and has rim presence. Harden is an elite post defender when he turns in effort. And Kyrie is underated on the perimeter. We have some excellent pieces right now with Bembry and Claxton. Griffin,Johnson, and Brown are solid backups. Adding a 3-D wing with emphasis on D would make us elite. Especially if they could protect the paint as well. Someone like a John Collins player for example.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#198 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:53 am

GTR11 wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
GTR11 wrote:We will find out how seeding will help and your narrative change in a few months. Don't call me hater than.


Seeding could only helps us since it would give us a Game 7 with Kyrie.


Opposite is true re Kyrie. He can't play home games.

As for seeding we will find out. If we get to play Miami in second round and Bucks in the conf finals it won't be ideal by any means. I'd slide few games just to get them on a same bracket. Seeing either one of them is better than both one after another.


I mean seeding as in if we lose a top seed.

I'd love to play Miami. They have no shot at beating us. Literally got swept last year and did nothing but added a over the hill Lowry.

The only team that could beat us is Milwaukee. And even that would require injuries like last year.
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Re: Nets @ Pacers| 1.05.2022 @ 7:30 PM on YES 

Post#199 » by Whiskey Slick » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:55 am

All of Kyrie's post-game press conference words ring hollow to me.

Bottom line: We're playing the defending champs, Bucks, tomorrow night, and he won't be there.
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Post#200 » by sashaturiaf » Thu Jan 6, 2022 3:57 am

Kyrie is a **** idiot, but he is good at basketball

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