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Bradley Beal - Part III

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1841 » by nate33 » Wed Jan 5, 2022 5:24 pm

tontoz wrote:I've seen Spencer and Beal on the court together. Spencer does very little creating/ball handling when Beal is playing. He is mostly a spot up shooter.

Spencer without Beal has been good. Beal without Spencer has been good. Together they have been like oil and water.

This is unquestionably true. But the question is, is this a permanent condition?

I don't think so.

For now, we should continue to stagger them so that one is on the court at all times just like Wes always has. But they're still going to play together for about 20 minutes a game, and that's fine. They can use those minutes to figure out how to complement each other.

I think the real difference with the emergence of Point Beal is that we no longer need Neto to play much at all, and Holiday's minutes should be limited to situational defensive matchups. I don't really think it should affect Dinwiddie's minutes at all.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1842 » by tontoz » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:09 pm

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tontoz wrote:I've seen Spencer and Beal on the court together. Spencer does very little creating/ball handling when Beal is playing. He is mostly a spot up shooter.

Spencer without Beal has been good. Beal without Spencer has been good. Together they have been like oil and water.

This is unquestionably true. But the question is, is this a permanent condition?

I don't think so.

For now, we should continue to stagger them so that one is on the court at all times just like Wes always has. But they're still going to play together for about 20 minutes a game, and that's fine. They can use those minutes to figure out how to complement each other.

I think the real difference with the emergence of Point Beal is that we no longer need Neto to play much at all, and Holiday's minutes should be limited to situational defensive matchups. I don't really think it should affect Dinwiddie's minutes at all.


No i don't think it is permanent but until Spencer gets his head out of his a** i would have him coming off the bench. Maybe that will get him to step up.

If he steps up and starts playing well we can always start him with Beal and have KCP coming off the bench. I just don't like any of those 3 at SF when we have plenty of forwards.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1843 » by Frichuela » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:26 pm

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tontoz wrote:I've seen Spencer and Beal on the court together. Spencer does very little creating/ball handling when Beal is playing. He is mostly a spot up shooter.

Spencer without Beal has been good. Beal without Spencer has been good. Together they have been like oil and water.

This is unquestionably true. But the question is, is this a permanent condition?

I don't think so.

For now, we should continue to stagger them so that one is on the court at all times just like Wes always has. But they're still going to play together for about 20 minutes a game, and that's fine. They can use those minutes to figure out how to complement each other.

I think the real difference with the emergence of Point Beal is that we no longer need Neto to play much at all, and Holiday's minutes should be limited to situational defensive matchups. I don't really think it should affect Dinwiddie's minutes at all.


No i don't think it is permanent but until Spencer gets his head out of his a** i would have him coming off the bench. Maybe that will get him to step up.

If he steps up and starts playing well we can always start him with Beal and have KCP coming off the bench. I just don't like any of those 3 at SF when we have plenty of forwards.


This. KCP at SF for some stretches is fine but not full time, we give up too much size.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1844 » by payitforward » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:48 pm

nate33 wrote:...I think the real difference with the emergence of Point Beal is that we no longer need Neto to play much at all, and Holiday's minutes should be limited to situational defensive matchups. I don't really think it should affect Dinwiddie's minutes at all.

Again: if someone's minutes go down (Neto/Holiday), then someone else's minutes have to go up.

Beal is already playing 36.25 minutes/game. Dinwiddie is playing 30.1 mpg. If Beal/Dinwiddie handle all the PG minutes, then Beal's taking 18 of the 48 SG minutes, leaving 30 to fill.

If Neto & Holiday play very little, then who plays those 30 minutes?

KCP already plays 30 minutes/game. Kispert only plays 16.4, however. IMO, he's playing well enough to handle 10 more minutes. Actually... one way or the other I think he's earned more minutes. So, that's part of the solution -- as you've mentioned.

But, that still leaves 20 minutes at the SG position.
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Post#1845 » by dckingsfan » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:56 pm

payitforward wrote:Again: if someone's minutes go down (Neto/Holiday), then someone else's minutes have to go up.

Beal is already playing 36.25 minutes/game. Dinwiddie is playing 30.1 mpg. If Beal/Dinwiddie handle all the PG minutes, then Beal's taking 18 of the 48 SG minutes, leaving 30 to fill.

If Neto & Holiday play very little, then who plays those 30 minutes?

KCP already plays 30 minutes/game. Kispert only plays 16.4, however. IMO, he's playing well enough to handle 10 more minutes. Actually... one way or the other I think he's earned more minutes. So, that's part of the solution -- as you've mentioned.

But, that still leaves 20 minutes at the SG position.

My answer is still:

Rotation 1:
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Kyle Kuzma
Deni Avdija

Rotation 2:
Corey Kispert
Dāvis Bertāns

Anthony Gill
Rui Hachimura (when back)

We can get by with limited Neto & Holiday minutes if we play our forwards more minutes.

Beal + 3 forwards or Dinwiddie + 3 forwards - they would be "positionless".
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1846 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Jan 5, 2022 6:59 pm

If I'm the coach I tell my guards, don't let your struggles on offense affect your defense. As long as your d is tight and keeping us in the game we can survive a few missed shots. We cannot survive Lamelo Ball dropping 40 on us.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1847 » by nate33 » Wed Jan 5, 2022 7:01 pm

payitforward wrote:
nate33 wrote:...I think the real difference with the emergence of Point Beal is that we no longer need Neto to play much at all, and Holiday's minutes should be limited to situational defensive matchups. I don't really think it should affect Dinwiddie's minutes at all.

Again: if someone's minutes go down (Neto/Holiday), then someone else's minutes have to go up.

Beal is already playing 36.25 minutes/game. Dinwiddie is playing 30.1 mpg. If Beal/Dinwiddie handle all the PG minutes, then Beal's taking 18 of the 48 SG minutes, leaving 30 to fill.

If Neto & Holiday play very little, then who plays those 30 minutes?

KCP already plays 30 minutes/game. Kispert only plays 16.4, however. IMO, he's playing well enough to handle 10 more minutes. Actually... one way or the other I think he's earned more minutes. So, that's part of the solution -- as you've mentioned.

But, that still leaves 20 minutes at the SG position.

Avdija. KCP's forward minutes get shifted to guard, making more room for Avdija (and possibly Hachimura or Bertans).
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1848 » by tontoz » Wed Jan 5, 2022 7:26 pm

There are 48 minutes at two guard spots for a total of 96 minutes. If we go with a 3 guard rotation that works out to 32 minutes per player. Not too difficult we just have to stop playing guards at small forward.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1849 » by payitforward » Wed Jan 5, 2022 9:29 pm

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payitforward wrote:
nate33 wrote:...I think the real difference with the emergence of Point Beal is that we no longer need Neto to play much at all, and Holiday's minutes should be limited to situational defensive matchups. I don't really think it should affect Dinwiddie's minutes at all.

Again: if someone's minutes go down (Neto/Holiday), then someone else's minutes have to go up.

Beal is already playing 36.25 minutes/game. Dinwiddie is playing 30.1 mpg. If Beal/Dinwiddie handle all the PG minutes, then Beal's taking 18 of the 48 SG minutes, leaving 30 to fill.

If Neto & Holiday play very little, then who plays those 30 minutes?

KCP already plays 30 minutes/game. Kispert only plays 16.4, however. IMO, he's playing well enough to handle 10 more minutes. Actually... one way or the other I think he's earned more minutes. So, that's part of the solution -- as you've mentioned.

But, that still leaves 20 minutes at the SG position.

Avdija. KCP's forward minutes get shifted to guard, making more room for Avdija (and possibly Hachimura or Bertans).

Oh duh...! KCP has spent way more minutes at the 2 than the 3 in his career. A 3 guard rotation of Beal, Dinwiddie, KCP could work.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1850 » by Frichuela » Thu Jan 6, 2022 6:11 pm

Our super max wannabe ain’t on the list:

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1851 » by DCZards » Fri Jan 7, 2022 2:25 am

Frichuela wrote:Our super max wannabe ain’t on the list:

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Yeah…no Beal or Jrue Holiday but Derrick Rose and Kyrie Irving are on the list. That should tell you that fan voting is largely a popularity contest.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1852 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jan 7, 2022 5:24 am

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Right now Bradley not playing is the greatest thing that has ever happened this season. You have the rightful guy Spencer did we no longer having to delegate. You have kiss bird playing 38 minutes and a video playing 31 minutes. You got guys named sword and all kind of **** on the team who I've never heard of because I really out of the loop right now

As far as I'm concerned when Ice Cube said **** the Police **** Bradley Beal

Nothing he did but right now he is privileged and has an entitlement mentality in the worst thing in the world would be to bring the guy back

I will tell you where I live I want you to meet me if you're brave enough to do it in person if you read this and you are Bradley Beal cuz I'm 60 years old

What needs to happen next is figure out a way to trade Beal to the Lakers because he needs to be playing right next to Westbrook

Your post gives off very sinister vibes.




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Post#1853 » by Shanghai Kid » Fri Jan 7, 2022 7:15 pm

If Beal doesn't even make the All-Star team, how does that effect his contract status?

Does any idea of supermax go out the window?
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1854 » by nate33 » Sat Jan 8, 2022 3:46 am

Shanghai Kid wrote:If Beal doesn't even make the All-Star team, how does that effect his contract status?

Does any idea of supermax go out the window?

No. The All-Star or All-NBA award is now irrelevant.

As a 10-year veteran, Beal is eligible for a 35% supermax even if he is the worst player in the NBA.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1855 » by gambitx777 » Sat Jan 8, 2022 10:21 pm

I mean kyrie and d rose being there is absolutely stupid but Beal hasn't been playing well. I think it's time to move him

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#1856 » by CobraCommander » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:46 pm

Beal is in the health and safety protocol again...wow
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Post#1857 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:04 pm

CobraCommander wrote:Beal is in the health and safety protocol again...wow


Is it wrong that I said to my fiancé when I saw this and told her about it, "Good, now I can enjoy the game?"
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Post#1858 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:08 pm

CobraCommander wrote:Beal is in the health and safety protocol again...wow

This is the 3rd time - first in the Olympics, next last month, and now. That's something he must lead the league in.
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Post#1859 » by Frichuela » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:16 pm

Ruzious wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:Beal is in the health and safety protocol again...wow

This is the 3rd time - first in the Olympics, next last month, and now. That's something he must lead the league in.


First team all NBA of Heath and Safety protocols :lol:

His mouth piece (Q Mayo) is speculating on Twitter that it could be a “ false positive”…
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Post#1860 » by doclinkin » Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:34 am

CobraCommander wrote:Beal is in the health and safety protocol again...wow


Welp. So much for antibodies preventing re-infection. Not a good thing at all.

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