Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 4.0

[NYG]

No Kemba/Bullock swap. I think the Knicks would just keep Kemba at that point unless a wing like Bullock was available.

I haven't been following the saga, but I would hope after being POTW when Thibs had no choice to play him and how maturely he handled being benched would get Kemba back in the mix.

Maybe there is a more PG needy team that would give the Knicks a wing? I just think with how well Brunson is playing Dallas isn't that team.

Yeah, honestly Kemba's contract isn't that bad and he can step in and score if we need him to plus the NY home vibes, I bet we end up keeping him in real life. What was the consensus in your other thread for Burke/WCS? Is Lamb in that kind of a deal a fit?

[NYG]

Also, does anyone see any other big trades besides the Indy guys pre-draft lotto?

[Texas Chuck]

No Kemba/Bullock swap. I think the Knicks would just keep Kemba at that point unless a wing like Bullock was available.

I haven't been following the saga, but I would hope after being POTW when Thibs had no choice to play him and how maturely he handled being benched would get Kemba back in the mix.

Maybe there is a more PG needy team that would give the Knicks a wing? I just think with how well Brunson is playing Dallas isn't that team.

Yeah, honestly Kemba's contract isn't that bad and he can step in and score if we need him to plus the NY home vibes, I bet we end up keeping him in real life. What was the consensus in your other thread for Burke/WCS? Is Lamb in that kind of a deal a fit?

Lamb doesn't fit for what I personally wanted because he'd not really be an upgrade to the rotation and he expires so he doesn't become a salary matching tool for the off-season. Also not sure how the Pacers would feel about losing a roster spot(though I think they have one atm, no? so they could immediately waive WCS) and taking on Burke's gtd money next year.

[Scoot McGroot]

I haven't been following the saga, but I would hope after being POTW when Thibs had no choice to play him and how maturely he handled being benched would get Kemba back in the mix.

Maybe there is a more PG needy team that would give the Knicks a wing? I just think with how well Brunson is playing Dallas isn't that team.

Yeah, honestly Kemba's contract isn't that bad and he can step in and score if we need him to plus the NY home vibes, I bet we end up keeping him in real life. What was the consensus in your other thread for Burke/WCS? Is Lamb in that kind of a deal a fit?

Lamb doesn't fit for what I personally wanted because he'd not really be an upgrade to the rotation and he expires so he doesn't become a salary matching tool for the off-season. Also not sure how the Pacers would feel about losing a roster spot(though I think they have one atm, no? so they could immediately waive WCS) and taking on Burke's gtd money next year.

We have one spot right now that is infinitely likely to be saved for Lance Stephenson. As for Burke? I just don’t know. That future year is a bother, and we right now have Brogdon, McConnell, and Sykes signed for next year at PG, so we’d be looking at dumping him asap. We’ve cleared tax space this year, so maybe we just ride out the year as is?

[toooskies]

Portland cuts years off the McCollum deal and improves defensively.

Boston adds an elite scorer without losing core guys or picks.

It's a no from Portland to me, it neither gets them significantly better or significantly younger.

I have them shuffling chairs on the Titanic before going younger and committing to a rebuild in the off-season. This is that kind of deal to me and gives them more flexibility.

I wouldn't consider McCollum a chair to be shuffled. He has been a big part of that franchise for too long.

[NYG]

Yeah, honestly Kemba's contract isn't that bad and he can step in and score if we need him to plus the NY home vibes, I bet we end up keeping him in real life. What was the consensus in your other thread for Burke/WCS? Is Lamb in that kind of a deal a fit?

Lamb doesn't fit for what I personally wanted because he'd not really be an upgrade to the rotation and he expires so he doesn't become a salary matching tool for the off-season. Also not sure how the Pacers would feel about losing a roster spot(though I think they have one atm, no? so they could immediately waive WCS) and taking on Burke's gtd money next year.

We have one spot right now that is infinitely likely to be saved for Lance Stephenson. As for Burke? I just don’t know. That future year is a bother, and we right now have Brogdon, McConnell, and Sykes signed for next year at PG, so we’d be looking at dumping him asap. We’ve cleared tax space this year, so maybe we just ride out the year as is?

Regarding the Sabonis deal, would you accept the following pick condition?

De'Aaron Fox, Tristan Thompson and 2022 Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (2023 - Top 10 Protected / 2024 - Top 8 Protected / 2025 - Top 8 Protected then becomes '25 and '26 2nds if not conveyed) for Damontas Sabonis and Caris LeVert

I think getting Turner into his true spot, getting Fox out of the Kings franchise and into Carlisle plus removing LeVert altogether is a huge plus.

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah, honestly Kemba's contract isn't that bad and he can step in and score if we need him to plus the NY home vibes, I bet we end up keeping him in real life. What was the consensus in your other thread for Burke/WCS? Is Lamb in that kind of a deal a fit?

Lamb doesn't fit for what I personally wanted because he'd not really be an upgrade to the rotation and he expires so he doesn't become a salary matching tool for the off-season. Also not sure how the Pacers would feel about losing a roster spot(though I think they have one atm, no? so they could immediately waive WCS) and taking on Burke's gtd money next year.

We have one spot right now that is infinitely likely to be saved for Lance Stephenson. As for Burke? I just don’t know. That future year is a bother, and we right now have Brogdon, McConnell, and Sykes signed for next year at PG, so we’d be looking at dumping him asap. We’ve cleared tax space this year, so maybe we just ride out the year as is?

Yeah I don't think the Pacers do that because of the future money, but my point on the open roster spot was Indy doesn't have to waive anyone they like to complete the trade, then immediately waive WCS and get their roster spot back for Lance(or whomever).

Right now it seems pretty unsure if WCS is going to play basketball again this year. He's been away for the team for personal reasons for a long-time and he missed some time last year for personal reasons. Hope everything is all right with he and his family.

[NYG]

It's a no from Portland to me, it neither gets them significantly better or significantly younger.

I have them shuffling chairs on the Titanic before going younger and committing to a rebuild in the off-season. This is that kind of deal to me and gives them more flexibility.

I wouldn't consider McCollum a chair to be shuffled. He has been a big part of that franchise for too long.

I meant more-so before trading Lillard and going full rebuild trying to move the other pieces for neutral returns just to shake it up one last time before a blow up.

[Scoot McGroot]

Lamb doesn't fit for what I personally wanted because he'd not really be an upgrade to the rotation and he expires so he doesn't become a salary matching tool for the off-season. Also not sure how the Pacers would feel about losing a roster spot(though I think they have one atm, no? so they could immediately waive WCS) and taking on Burke's gtd money next year.

We have one spot right now that is infinitely likely to be saved for Lance Stephenson. As for Burke? I just don’t know. That future year is a bother, and we right now have Brogdon, McConnell, and Sykes signed for next year at PG, so we’d be looking at dumping him asap. We’ve cleared tax space this year, so maybe we just ride out the year as is?

Regarding the Sabonis deal, would you accept the following pick condition?

De'Aaron Fox, Tristan Thompson and 2022 Lottery Protected First Round Draft Pick (2023 - Top 10 Protected / 2024 - Top 8 Protected / 2025 - Top 8 Protected then becomes '25 and '26 2nds if not conveyed) for Damontas Sabonis and Caris LeVert

I think getting Turner into his true spot, getting Fox out of the Kings franchise and into Carlisle plus removing LeVert altogether is a huge plus.

Uh, I don’t know. I’m at the point where I think that Sabonis is the keeper and Turner/Levert are the ones to move. But, and this is not meant to be an insult, if a Kings pick is involved, I’d want some assurance it’s going to actually be a 1st. Eternally top 8 protected means, historically speaking, it may never convey.

[Scoot McGroot]

Lamb doesn't fit for what I personally wanted because he'd not really be an upgrade to the rotation and he expires so he doesn't become a salary matching tool for the off-season. Also not sure how the Pacers would feel about losing a roster spot(though I think they have one atm, no? so they could immediately waive WCS) and taking on Burke's gtd money next year.

We have one spot right now that is infinitely likely to be saved for Lance Stephenson. As for Burke? I just don’t know. That future year is a bother, and we right now have Brogdon, McConnell, and Sykes signed for next year at PG, so we’d be looking at dumping him asap. We’ve cleared tax space this year, so maybe we just ride out the year as is?

Yeah I don't think the Pacers do that because of the future money, but my point on the open roster spot was Indy doesn't have to waive anyone they like to complete the trade, then immediately waive WCS and get their roster spot back for Lance(or whomever).

Oh, absolutely, I was just spelling it out for those that might otherwise be reading. It’s especially not an issue while Lance is on Covid 10 days, but once he signs, it’d be an issue. It’s not a roster spot to dump someone into so much as just temporarily open, was all.

[toooskies]

I have them shuffling chairs on the Titanic before going younger and committing to a rebuild in the off-season. This is that kind of deal to me and gives them more flexibility.

I wouldn't consider McCollum a chair to be shuffled. He has been a big part of that franchise for too long.

I meant more-so before trading Lillard and going full rebuild trying to move the other pieces for neutral returns just to shake it up one last time before a blow up.

Yeah, but I don't see McCollum being a horizontal move piece. He's there and he's loyal to the franchise and the city. More likely to see Powell going out. He stays until they blow it up unless they can turn him + value into a better player.

[jayu70]

Adding a second or two to the Hawks in the Okogie/Reddish swap.

Find a different Gallinari trade with more size returning. Anyone have a good idea in mind excluding the above already traded guys?

Hawks would just keep Reddish...(I've seen Okogie for Dieng offered in different trades here, so no way the Hawks do this with Reddish). Okogie offers nothing on offense.

Gallinari - Derrick Favors or Thad Young

[shrink]

Adding a second or two to the Hawks in the Okogie/Reddish swap.

Find a different Gallinari trade with more size returning. Anyone have a good idea in mind excluding the above already traded guys?

Hawks would just keep Reddish...(I've seen Okogie for Dieng offered in different trades here, so no way the Hawks do this with Reddish). Okogie offers nothing on offense.

Gallinari - Derrick Favors or Thad Young

When I saw the deal, I also thought that Reddish is worth more in a vacuum than a one-way defensive Okogie (not that Reddish’s poor defense makes him two way, but …). Fortunately, 17-21 ATL would pair Okogie with Tre Young, who is RAPTOR’s best NBA player offensively and one of it’s worst defensively. The Hawks are 26th in Def Rtg, so with Tre Young, the Hawks need a defensive option who doesn’t use a lot of FGA’s - though I see Tre’s passing working with Okogie cuts to the rim. They don’t need Cam Reddish duplicating skills they already have in better players. Unfortunately, the Wolves don’t need Cam either (rather have Nowell than pay Cam $6 mil next year), and I don’t see many teams that look at him and say, “we need that guy.” I could see MIN including a 2nd, but I don’t think there is a real market for either player - just a better fit for Okogie in ATL.

As for Gallo, he is a slightly negative contract. I hope we can all agree he is not producing at a $20.5 mil rate this year, and next year he is $5 mil for zero production (hopefully set off lowers this). A move should be for another slightly bad contract. I liked the idea of Favors on a two year deal ($9.7/$10.2), but Pesti isn’t going to just give up $11 mil in cap space to make that swap, and I don’t see who they can add - this deal would need lots of incentive. With Thad Young at $14.2, I don’t know who the Spurs would add after a cursory glance. Good targets, but it would just take a more complicated deal. I don’t read all the Trades here any more, so I’m curious what others have come up with for Gallo?

[BullyKing]

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[MoneyTalks41890]

Adding a second or two to the Hawks in the Okogie/Reddish swap.

Find a different Gallinari trade with more size returning. Anyone have a good idea in mind excluding the above already traded guys?

Hawks would just keep Reddish...(I've seen Okogie for Dieng offered in different trades here, so no way the Hawks do this with Reddish). Okogie offers nothing on offense.

Gallinari - Derrick Favors or Thad Young

When I saw the deal, I also thought that Reddish is worth more in a vacuum than a one-way defensive Okogie (not that Reddish’s poor defense makes him two way, but …). Fortunately, 17-21 ATL would pair Okogie with Tre Young, who is RAPTOR’s best NBA player offensively and one of it’s worst defensively. The Hawks are 26th in Def Rtg, so with Tre Young, the Hawks need a defensive option who doesn’t use a lot of FGA’s - though I see Tre’s passing working with Okogie cuts to the rim. They don’t need Cam Reddish duplicating skills they already have in better players. Unfortunately, the Wolves don’t need Cam either (rather have Nowell than pay Cam $6 mil next year), and I don’t see many teams that look at him and say, “we need that guy.” I could see MIN including a 2nd, but I don’t think there is a real market for either player - just a better fit for Okogie in ATL.

As for Gallo, he is a slightly negative contract. I hope we can all agree he is not producing at a $20.5 mil rate this year, and next year he is $5 mil for zero production (hopefully set off lowers this). A move should be for another slightly bad contract. I liked the idea of Favors on a two year deal ($9.7/$10.2), but Pesti isn’t going to just give up $11 mil in cap space to make that swap, and I don’t see who they can add - this deal would need lots of incentive. With Thad Young at $14.2, I don’t know who the Spurs would add after a cursory glance. Good targets, but it would just take a more complicated deal. I don’t read all the Trades here any more, so I’m curious what others have come up with for Gallo?

Gallo, Reddish for Kenrich

[stormi]

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The Sixers and Morey might be accumulating potential trade packages to offer to that eventual third team when the time comes to get the guy they want. Seems like Sacramento and Minnesota are still very interested.

[cl2117]

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That's a decent package. DLO/Okogie and all the picks/swaps. Pat Bev/Beasley/Okogie and all the picks/swaps. Swaps which I think the Sixers could realistically call in as well.

Assume Morey's saying find a team to give me a guy off my list for that package and you've got a deal.

[zimpy27]

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That would be a mistake for Minny to blow up team. Their starting 5 is really good: Bev, DLo, Edwards, Vanderbilt, KAT

Their main issue appears to be their bench. They need an upgrade of their bench guards. Beasley+Okogie for something.

I think Beasley+Prince+4 FRPs for Simmons is a good deal but needs a third team. Always has.

[MoneyTalks41890]

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That would be a mistake for Minny. Their starting 5 is really good: Bev, DLo, Edwards, Vanderbilt, KAT

Their main issue appears to be their bench. They need an upgrade of their bench guards. Beasley+Okogie for something.

Ben Simmons would be a massive improvement over what they have. Bev should probably close games but he won’t be playing starting minutes much longer. Standing pat at .500 would be a mistake.

[zimpy27]

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That would be a mistake for Minny. Their starting 5 is really good: Bev, DLo, Edwards, Vanderbilt, KAT

Their main issue appears to be their bench. They need an upgrade of their bench guards. Beasley+Okogie for something.

Ben Simmons would be a massive improvement over what they have. Bev should probably close games but he won’t be playing starting minutes much longer. Standing pat at .500 would be a mistake.

Oh I edited post to reflect that I think they should try get Simmons but not for any of their starters. It should be a pick based deal with filler for a third team to provide Philly a star return.