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Re: LeBron James 2021-22 Regular Seasons Thread - Part ? 

Post#261 » by zimpy27 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:24 pm

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Maybe they could get Covington for that price. THT a pretty bad fit with Dallas, they'd want notably more I'd expect. Not even close for Detroit.


I thought he might be a decent 1 to 3 defender for Dallas. THT, THJ, Doncic, Kleber, Porzingis


I don't see why they'd prefer him over DFS in that role. DFS is the better defender and can actually shoot it. THT's playmaking edge doesn't seem like much of a sell.


Oh it's simply because DFS is a UFA, he could leave for nothing or need to be paid 20m and Dallas have to pay Brunson too. THT is cost controlled.

But yeah they prob still don't go for it.
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Post#262 » by trickshot » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:18 am

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Read on Twitter

I'm sure I sound like a broken record but I can't take the offensive ratings of these rat-ball gimmick lineups seriously

Lakers are very talented but putting it bluntly probably have the worst smallball in the league. Someone on that team doesn't understand the evolution of smallball in the modern Nba.

It's not new but never caught on fast because previous smallball gimmicks used defensive sieves in the frontcourt and sharpshooting lightweights in the backcourt. Then teams found out smallball was viable if the players gave up little in length, strength and motor. Versatility is also crucial so that every crossmatch isn't a total mismatch. Sending help all the time will kill anyone.

Lakers smallball is more akin to the former. Likes of Monk, Carmelo, ellington and others as talented as they are offensively can barely guard their own positions and Lebron has no motor to play center in the regular season. Overall that's no point of attack defense, no rim defense, no hustle on the glass. They can shoot so their offensive rating will stay high. Stanly johnson was a good signing but it doesn't matter because the smallball brings another subpar undersized defender into every lineup. Keep shooting themselves in the foot. Now I hear Dwight was made available for trades, like damn dude, who's making these decisions?
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Re: LeBron James 2021-22 Regular Season Thread - Part ? 

Post#263 » by nzahir » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:27 am

Read on Twitter
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Would be a lot better with less of him

When healthy:

Russ, Monk, Johnson/Ariza, Bron, AD
Nunn, Reaves, Johnson/Ariza, Melo, Dwight
Avery, THT

I don't know if any trade makes us good enough to really compete unless its moving Russ
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Post#264 » by zimpy27 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:55 am

nzahir wrote:
Read on Twitter
?t=SfsqYwIrl8p0wV-n1OUfNA&s=19

Would be a lot better with less of him

When healthy:

Russ, Monk, Johnson/Ariza, Bron, AD
Nunn, Reaves, Johnson/Ariza, Melo, Dwight
Avery, THT

I don't know if any trade makes us good enough to really compete unless its moving Russ


Yeah I'm all the way out on Bradley. He should be backup PG while Nunn is out and then third tier PG when he's back.

I think Lakers need to try get a starting SF/PF with THT+LAL27FRP and keep Nunn.
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Re: LeBron James 2021-22 Regular Season Thread - Part ? 

Post#265 » by falcolombardi » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:06 am

homecourtloss wrote:What’s funny about the “Bubble ring,” “Mickey mouse title,” “not a real run,” crowd (a group this is 99%+ anti LeBron) is the narrative they' (or the fawning media) would have if Jordan or even Kobe won a title in a bubble.

Here’s how Jordan would be seen in such a scenario:

“Back in 1993 the world was in the midst of a pandemic. COVID-19 had ravaged the world but the players and the NBA wanted to play. And play they did after a hiatus. The conditions were different from any we have ever seen as all distractions and crowd influence on players or referees was gone. There was no travel. There wasn’t anything. Just pure basketball on a neutral court to determine who was the best team.

And the best player. And once again, Michael Jordan stood out on top amongst his peers. When there is no crowd noise and no travel, the skill level of the players is even more important and the GOAT dominated, blocking out what was happening around the world, solely concentrating on his obsession which was to win and kill his opponents. While lesser players might have missed home or worried about the health of family members, Jordan pathological desire to compete despite circumstances and win shone through yet again. While other players may have been bored or wanted out of the bubble, Jordan wanted to kill his opponents in his ruthless desire to compete. The opponents didn’t stand a chance.

The Bulls held 30 point leads in 4 different games and twice in the Finals. They held leads of 27+ 6 different times and at least once against every team they played. And of course, when there is nothing but pure basketball to consider, who is going to player better than Jordan, the ultimate competitor and skilled player? Jordan averaged 27.6 ppg., 10.8 rpg., and 8.8 apg., while shooting a remarkable 56% from the field. And because he’s Michael Jordan, he was even BETTER in the finals, scoring 29.8 points per game on 59% shooting and 42% from the three.

The bubble may never happen again. There might never be a chance to see who’s better in a pure basketball setting again. But we do know it happened once, and like always, the GOAT rose up above his peers.”


one of the most mindblowing thinghs about reading "the jordan rules" was how pippen migraine game was treatted even by teammates

and contrast it to how jordan "flu game" got treated

both, at the time and even now

i sometimes still see people saying pippen cost jordan a ring in 1990 while talking the flu game as the greatest moment in basketball history (when some players, maybe even pippen if i remember right, actually played through serious injuries with little fanfare)
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Post#266 » by trickshot » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:28 am

falcolombardi wrote:
homecourtloss wrote:What’s funny about the “Bubble ring,” “Mickey mouse title,” “not a real run,” crowd (a group this is 99%+ anti LeBron) is the narrative they' (or the fawning media) would have if Jordan or even Kobe won a title in a bubble.

Here’s how Jordan would be seen in such a scenario:

“Back in 1993 the world was in the midst of a pandemic. COVID-19 had ravaged the world but the players and the NBA wanted to play. And play they did after a hiatus. The conditions were different from any we have ever seen as all distractions and crowd influence on players or referees was gone. There was no travel. There wasn’t anything. Just pure basketball on a neutral court to determine who was the best team.

And the best player. And once again, Michael Jordan stood out on top amongst his peers. When there is no crowd noise and no travel, the skill level of the players is even more important and the GOAT dominated, blocking out what was happening around the world, solely concentrating on his obsession which was to win and kill his opponents. While lesser players might have missed home or worried about the health of family members, Jordan pathological desire to compete despite circumstances and win shone through yet again. While other players may have been bored or wanted out of the bubble, Jordan wanted to kill his opponents in his ruthless desire to compete. The opponents didn’t stand a chance.

The Bulls held 30 point leads in 4 different games and twice in the Finals. They held leads of 27+ 6 different times and at least once against every team they played. And of course, when there is nothing but pure basketball to consider, who is going to player better than Jordan, the ultimate competitor and skilled player? Jordan averaged 27.6 ppg., 10.8 rpg., and 8.8 apg., while shooting a remarkable 56% from the field. And because he’s Michael Jordan, he was even BETTER in the finals, scoring 29.8 points per game on 59% shooting and 42% from the three.

The bubble may never happen again. There might never be a chance to see who’s better in a pure basketball setting again. But we do know it happened once, and like always, the GOAT rose up above his peers.”


one of the most mindblowing thinghs about reading "the jordan rules" was how pippen migraine game was treatted even by teammates

and contrast it to how jordan "flu game" got treated

both, at the time and even now

i sometimes still see people saying pippen cost jordan a ring in 1990 while talking the flu game as the greatest moment in basketball history (when some players, maybe even pippen if i remember right, actually played through serious injuries with little fanfare)

MJ is still my 1A goat funny enough but I always thought the Jordan rules thing is overmythicized garbage. I never saw a player get so praised for not wanting to give the ball up. The Jordan rules was structured help defense with thuggery, the kind of help you beat by finding the open man but that version of MJ wanted to do everything by himself in the playoffs and got beat by a basic help/trap scheme. It would be called low iq bravado for any other player. Everyone just ignores when the Pistons say they knew they had him because they knew that version of MJ wasn't going to use his teammates. This was what Phil had to rid out of MJ.

People only remember the thuggery and this lack of technical discussion in any MJ talk is why his legend is insurmountable. Anything anyone did better is because MJ didn't feel like doing it better.
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Post#267 » by falcolombardi » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:48 am

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falcolombardi wrote:
homecourtloss wrote:What’s funny about the “Bubble ring,” “Mickey mouse title,” “not a real run,” crowd (a group this is 99%+ anti LeBron) is the narrative they' (or the fawning media) would have if Jordan or even Kobe won a title in a bubble.

Here’s how Jordan would be seen in such a scenario:

“Back in 1993 the world was in the midst of a pandemic. COVID-19 had ravaged the world but the players and the NBA wanted to play. And play they did after a hiatus. The conditions were different from any we have ever seen as all distractions and crowd influence on players or referees was gone. There was no travel. There wasn’t anything. Just pure basketball on a neutral court to determine who was the best team.

And the best player. And once again, Michael Jordan stood out on top amongst his peers. When there is no crowd noise and no travel, the skill level of the players is even more important and the GOAT dominated, blocking out what was happening around the world, solely concentrating on his obsession which was to win and kill his opponents. While lesser players might have missed home or worried about the health of family members, Jordan pathological desire to compete despite circumstances and win shone through yet again. While other players may have been bored or wanted out of the bubble, Jordan wanted to kill his opponents in his ruthless desire to compete. The opponents didn’t stand a chance.

The Bulls held 30 point leads in 4 different games and twice in the Finals. They held leads of 27+ 6 different times and at least once against every team they played. And of course, when there is nothing but pure basketball to consider, who is going to player better than Jordan, the ultimate competitor and skilled player? Jordan averaged 27.6 ppg., 10.8 rpg., and 8.8 apg., while shooting a remarkable 56% from the field. And because he’s Michael Jordan, he was even BETTER in the finals, scoring 29.8 points per game on 59% shooting and 42% from the three.

The bubble may never happen again. There might never be a chance to see who’s better in a pure basketball setting again. But we do know it happened once, and like always, the GOAT rose up above his peers.”


one of the most mindblowing thinghs about reading "the jordan rules" was how pippen migraine game was treatted even by teammates

and contrast it to how jordan "flu game" got treated

both, at the time and even now

i sometimes still see people saying pippen cost jordan a ring in 1990 while talking the flu game as the greatest moment in basketball history (when some players, maybe even pippen if i remember right, actually played through serious injuries with little fanfare)

MJ is still my 1A goat funny enough but I always thought the Jordan rules thing is overmythicized garbage. I never saw a player get so praised for not wanting to give the ball up. The Jordan rules was structured help defense with thuggery, the kind of help you beat by finding the open man but that version of MJ wanted to do everything by himself in the playoffs and got beat by a basic help/trap scheme. It would be called low iq bravado for any other player. Everyone just ignores when the Pistons say they knew they had him because they knew that version of MJ wasn't going to use his teammates. This was what Phil had to rid out of MJ.

People only remember the thuggery and this lack of technical discussion in any MJ talk is why his legend is insurmountable. Anything anyone did better is because MJ didn't feel like doing it better.


my impression is that most old legends, at least the ones who won rings, get -underscrutinized- compared to their Active peers, the criticisms of their time forgotten by history

but is specially glaring with jordan, when i was getting into analizing basketball a bit more in depth years ago i was legit mindblown to learn jordan was Human and had weaker series where the defense slowed him down like everyone else lmao
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Post#268 » by MisterHibachi » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:22 am

Damn shame Dwight hasn't been getting more minutes. He's still good
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Post#269 » by MisterHibachi » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:41 am

Refs really think LeBron regularly misses layups for no reason.

Did the refs even check whether the THT three should've counted? It looked good live
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Post#270 » by MisterHibachi » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:43 am

Refs are hosing LeBron with these no calls today
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Post#271 » by homecourtloss » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:43 am

MisterHibachi wrote:Refs really think LeBron regularly misses layups for no reason.

Did the refs even check whether the THT three should've counted? It looked good live


He’s not going to get calls and teams know this.

Nuggets 7-10 from three…zero chance to win.
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Post#272 » by Greyhound » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:46 am

That THT shot should have counted, they did not even review it.

The lights went off early before the shot clock hit 0’s. The shot was out of his hands with 0.1 on the clock.
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Post#273 » by MisterHibachi » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:47 am

Who the **** is Bones
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Post#274 » by Greyhound » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:48 am

MisterHibachi wrote:Refs are hosing LeBron with these no calls today

What else is new. They are given their orders, they are just doing their job.
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Post#275 » by trickshot » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:52 am

when Lakers ask why do randos go off against them I'm always thinking do they not see how terribly reactionary their defense is? Any perimeter shot you want you're going to get with little resistance, even self created ones. It's so easy. Like playing portland.
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Post#276 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:54 am

Westbrook's touch around the basket is comically bad.
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Post#277 » by MisterHibachi » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:54 am

This got out of hand so quickly.
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Post#278 » by homecourtloss » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:55 am

MisterHibachi wrote:This got out of hand so quickly.


Seemingly every game is like this—a little back and forth, a little lead for the opposition, then the blowout. Also, last possession for the opposition of quarters…Lakers cannot ever seem to get stops.
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Post#279 » by toodles23 » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:03 am

Pretty much no chance to win when your opponent goes 11-16 from three, but the Lakers have done themselves no favors with their terrible excuse for defense.
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Post#280 » by MisterHibachi » Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:04 am

Really wish Vogel played Reaves more. He's better than Bradley

Even Stanley should get more minutes than Bradley
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