Tank World Order (7.0)

KL78192020 · Post #1081 » by **KL78192020** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:57 pm

Los_29 wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
Your reading comprehension is shockingly bad.

This is happening again? Sheesh.

I live rent free in his head.

lol you've been shut down multiple times and keep coming back. Enjoy!

Los_29 · Post #1082 » by **Los_29** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:58 pm

KL78192020 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
This is happening again? Sheesh.

I live rent free in his head.

lol you've been shut down multiple times and keep coming back. Enjoy!

Whatever you say Mr. Flip Flop. Stop derailing this thread. This is a thread about tanking.

KL78192020 · Post #1083 » by **KL78192020** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:59 pm

Los_29 wrote:
KL78192020 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
I live rent free in his head.

lol you've been shut down multiple times and keep coming back. Enjoy!

Whatever you say Mr. Flip Flop. Stop derailing this thread. This is a thread about tanking.

This kid isn't capable of grasping complex facts. Its ok one day you'll figure it out. Secretly hoping for Scottie to fail so you can say the tank failed, team mediocre at its finest.

Los_29 · Post #1084 » by **Los_29** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:01 pm

KL78192020 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
KL78192020 wrote:
lol you've been shut down multiple times and keep coming back. Enjoy!

Whatever you say Mr. Flip Flop. Stop derailing this thread. This is a thread about tanking.

This kid isn't capable of grasping complex facts. Its ok one day you'll figure it out. Secretly hoping for Scottie to fail so you can say the tank failed, team mediocre at its finest.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #1085 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:07 pm

I love it Johnny, I love it! Los is always bringing it, but you're bring it as well! You're statpadding like FVV!

Ref_from_hell · Post #1086 » by **Ref_from_hell** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:34 pm

Read on Twitter

Fred a top 10 point guard? Strange. I thought based on some of the members in this thread, he was a glorified bum. A stat padding shooting guard forced to play the role of a point guard. Did I miss anything? I think those are all the narratives.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #1087 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:38 pm

He's a top 10 player in the league.

Ref_from_hell · Post #1088 » by **Ref_from_hell** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:44 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
Los_29 wrote:I really want to know who wants to see Scottie fail. That's like the equivalent of wanting to see FVV and Pascal wanting to fail which we all know would never happen on this forum.

I demand to know this as well. Who said that?

Really? It's a fake narrative perpetuated by you know who. He kept going into game threads and post game threads and posting things like "Fred stans want to see Scottie fail, or Fred stans trashing Scottie to prop up Fred"

Nobody who wants the team to win games is wishing that Scottie fails. We are just measured with our expectations and aren't trying to force the process in any way. As opposed to some individuals who were getting butt hurt when he wasn't taking enough shots in their estimation.

The idea that people who want this team to win games are hoping that Scottie fails doesn't even make sense. Winning games depends on Scottie playing well.

Los_29 · Post #1089 » by **Los_29** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:01 pm

Ref_from_hell wrote:

Read on Twitter

Fred a top 10 point guard? Strange. I thought based on some of the members in this thread, he was a glorified bum. A stat padding shooting guard forced to play the role of a point guard. Did I miss anything? I think those are all the narratives.

Seems like Freddy is looking more like Freddy Franchise as opposed to Freddy Role player.

Los_29 · Post #1090 » by **Los_29** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:05 pm

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:He's a top 10 player in the league.

Top 10 EVER.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #1091 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:07 pm

Los_29 wrote:
GreatWhiteStiff wrote:He's a top 10 player in the league.

Top 10 EVER.

Let's not elevate him to derozan levels just yet.

Los_29 · Post #1092 » by **Los_29** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:09 pm

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
GreatWhiteStiff wrote:He's a top 10 player in the league.

Top 10 EVER.

Let's not elevate him to derozan levels just yet.

Sorry, got a bit carried away there. But he’s knocking on that door for sure.

beanbag · Post #1093 » by **beanbag** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:34 pm

The weirdest narrative on a site full of weird narratives is posters making ripping certain players a part of their personality. It snowballs into, "I have to make it my mission to make sure everyone knows this player is bad/over-rated and when they play bad that is good for my RealGM brand."

Straight weirdo stuff.

pingpongrac · Post #1094 » by **pingpongrac** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:36 pm

Madhouse wrote:
Los_29 wrote:Would tWo be happy if Scottie developed into the player that Pascal is right now?

Not really.

Seriously? Siakam is playing like a borderline top 10 player lately, averaging 22/9/5 on 49/35/71 shooting splits with a 2:1 AST/TO ratio the last 2 months while being a great defender. He has went back to his strengths that largely got him that 2nd team All-NBA spot in 2019/20 with added playmaking to off-set his FT shooting woes a bit.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think Scottie developing into a top ~20 player for multiple years isn't good enough. I know the point of tWo is to strike gold and find a generational talent that wins us multiple championships, but Siakam with Scottie's confidence and desire to be great is probably enough to push him into that top 10 range. How would that not be enough?

Madhouse · Post #1095 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:34 am

Los_29 wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
Los_29 wrote:Would tWo be happy if Scottie developed into the player that Pascal is right now?

Not really.

Exactly. tWo is setting Scottie up for failure. Pascal was an All-NBA player who is averaging 21/8/5 on like 49% from the field.

Not good enough if he is our best player.

As number 2 or 3 those are fine numbers.

The point isn't that these aren't realistic expectations, they probably are. The point is going to be, how you can acquire the number 1.

And if you can't, you aren't going to win another championship.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #1096 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:42 am

How did we miss Franz Wager?

Watch on YouTube

PhilBlackson · Post #1097 » by **PhilBlackson** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:48 am

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:How did we miss Franz Wager?

Watch on YouTube

Because we got someone better

Los_29 · Post #1098 » by **Los_29** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:02 am

Madhouse wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
Not really.

Exactly. tWo is setting Scottie up for failure. Pascal was an All-NBA player who is averaging 21/8/5 on like 49% from the field.

Not good enough if he is our best player.

As number 2 or 3 those are fine numbers.

The point isn't that these aren't realistic expectations, they probably are. The point is going to be, how you can acquire the number 1.

And if you can't, you aren't going to win another championship.

Well we don’t know that because if Scottie becomes as good as peak Pascal then you have two all-NBA players, one of the better point guards in the league and an uber efficient 15-18ppg scorer and stud defender in OG as your 4th best player. And who knows how good GTJ will be by then as well as whoever else we add to the roster.

Madhouse · Post #1099 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:10 am

pingpongrac wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
Los_29 wrote:Would tWo be happy if Scottie developed into the player that Pascal is right now?

Not really.

Seriously? Siakam is playing like a borderline top 10 player lately, averaging 22/9/5 on 49/35/71 shooting splits with a 2:1 AST/TO ratio the last 2 months while being a great defender. He has went back to his strengths that largely got him that 2nd team All-NBA spot in 2019/20 with added playmaking to off-set his FT shooting woes a bit.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think Scottie developing into a top ~20 player for multiple years isn't good enough. I know the point of tWo is to strike gold and find a generational talent that wins us multiple championships, but Siakam with Scottie's confidence and desire to be great is probably enough to push him into that top 10 range. How would that not be enough?

Siakam is 68th in EPM and 59th in Raptor (minimum 1.000 minutes played). He finished 130th, 104th and 46th in Raptor in 2021, 2020 and 2019.

He is better than those numbers and he is a good player to have but this can't be anywhere close to being your best player if your goals are championships.

It's not good enough to win championships as your building block. It's absolutely good enough to feel good about the draft pick and call it a success, it depends how you look at it. If you look at it completely independently of team success, it would be far better than the average #4 pick career so obviously you should be happy.

If he becomes a top 10 player that's a totally different conversation. Who are the top 10 players of the last few years? Lebron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi, Curry, Jokic, AD, Harden, Embiid, Luka/Westbrook/George? Those are franchise cornerstones.

Madhouse · Post #1100 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:19 am

Los_29 wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
Exactly. tWo is setting Scottie up for failure. Pascal was an All-NBA player who is averaging 21/8/5 on like 49% from the field.

Not good enough if he is our best player.

As number 2 or 3 those are fine numbers.

The point isn't that these aren't realistic expectations, they probably are. The point is going to be, how you can acquire the number 1.

And if you can't, you aren't going to win another championship.

Well we don’t know that because if Scottie becomes as good as peak Pascal then you have two all-NBA players, one of the better point guards in the league and an uber efficient 15-18ppg scorer and stud defender in OG as your 4th best player. And who knows how good GTJ will be by then as well as whoever else we add to the roster.

You are assuming Barnes gets to that level quickly. This is unknown. Siakam is now 27. Fred is playing his best ball at 27 as well. If Barnes takes that much time until he is 26 or 27 those guys are way too old.

What do you think is ideal for this Raptors team?