If It Is To Be Said. So It Be. So It Is. The First Deadline Trade Thread.

[jfs1000d]

I think Smart for Rozier makes sense. But what do I know?


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[sully00]

How far under the floor are they? The incentive for them would be picks from LA

23 Million under floor

This trade adds them 44 Million-17 Million in Salary

edit: They may get the lux tax payment either way.

Cannot find the exact ruling, but it is worded as "teams currently not paying tax get it" but IDK about a team below the floor. Seems like a potential loophole/grey area there.

Spotrac has them at 88 mil with a 101 mil floor. Not seeing any relationship to receiving Lux Tax payments and the salary floor. It is really just a reward to the guy on OKC's roster if they remain below the floor that 12 or 13 mil gets distributed among the OKC players.

One interesting thing is that OKC can't just acquire a 13 mil player at the deadline for the purposes of the salary floor it is the money you pay out not who is on your books at the end of the season.

[Andrew McCeltic]

White does have the potential to be a great lead guard. But I kind of like him as a SG more. He and Marcus would make a great backcourt, imo.

Also I really like Brunson, but he is undersized and is looking for 20 million per.

THT not sold on like everyone else. I dont see it. what am I missing there

Brunson isn't exactly undersized - he's got a good frame for 6'1 and he isn't afraid to drive the paint.

If THT had shown enough for you to be sold on him, he wouldn't be available. Or they'd be trading him for Jerami Grant. He's an interesting player at the right price.

[Feed Your Head]

It’s kind of a misnomer that the Celtics were the second choice for KD. Celtics were never really in the running, despite what was said. It was GS or OKC the whole way.

[kb02]

Doesn't sound like Stevens wants to replace vets with more vets who would keep our youngsters on the bench.

It depends what youngsters he wants to bring in. But the answer is not internally. Say if Romeo does develop past jobber status hes not going to be a key guy. Nesmith and Prichard have been very hit and miss. Grant Williams should be moved etc. There's ways to infuse a roster with youth but not go full Sacramento Kings. Ironically enough probably by making a deal with the Kings. Get a Bagley, Hield along with Barnes and you're now adding a potential rotation guy on your team in Bagley. He has that ceiling. Will he ever reach it? Maybe not but he does have more of a chance of hitting it than say anyone else mentioned.

Been looking at Kings fans posts, we dont have enough talent to be able to get any of their guys.

No, dude. What we've been saying is if you want one of the Kings younger players, the only guys that would interest the Kings are Brown and Tatum. It's in response to your biased trade ideas, the latest being a trade that would send Holmes, Buddy, and Mitchell out for Horford, Washtington, and Schroeder. I mean, I get it. Each fan base has outliers. You're the outlier for the Celts fan base.

[Feed Your Head]

Kings aren’t trading Mitchell for crap, can we stop lol.

[Feed Your Head]

It depends what youngsters he wants to bring in. But the answer is not internally. Say if Romeo does develop past jobber status hes not going to be a key guy. Nesmith and Prichard have been very hit and miss. Grant Williams should be moved etc. There's ways to infuse a roster with youth but not go full Sacramento Kings. Ironically enough probably by making a deal with the Kings. Get a Bagley, Hield along with Barnes and you're now adding a potential rotation guy on your team in Bagley. He has that ceiling. Will he ever reach it? Maybe not but he does have more of a chance of hitting it than say anyone else mentioned.

Been looking at Kings fans posts, we dont have enough talent to be able to get any of their guys.

No, dude. What we've been saying is if you want one of the Kings younger players, the only guys that would interest the Kings are Brown and Tatum. It's in response to your biased trade ideas, the latest being a trade that would send Holmes, Buddy, and Mitchell out for Horford, Washtington, and Schroeder. I mean, I get it. Each fan base has outliers. You're the outlier for the Celts fan base.

You can have Jaylen, all I want is Barnes and Hali

[greenroom31]

Is Brunson a realistic get for Smart? Seems like Mavs fans don't like that idea at all. Not to mention, they need shooting, too. If that's the case, not sure what the discussions are centered around. Hopefully not THJ.

Smart is better than Brunson. It's just Mavs fans don't know that and they love Brunson.

There was a MassLive article saying the Mavs are interested in Smart. Here's a crazy deal:

Celtics get: Brunson, Porzingis
Mavs get: Smart, Horford

Pretty sure the salaries work. Porzingis is on the hook for ~$34M next year, and has an option for the following year at $36M that he may exercise, but even if he did he'd at least be expiring and semi-useful. Interesting one to think about at least, though not my first choice for a deal.

[Curmudgeon]

Who is Washington?

I'm offering Horford straight up for Hield. Gets the Kings out of the third year of Hield'scontract. If the Kings say no, it's no big deal.

I would also offer Brown for Barnes, one of their young guards and a 2023 unprotected first round pick. But I'm one of the only posters here who would, and if Stevens does move Brown, I'm guessing it will be for Collins.

[kb02]

Been looking at Kings fans posts, we dont have enough talent to be able to get any of their guys.

No, dude. What we've been saying is if you want one of the Kings younger players, the only guys that would interest the Kings are Brown and Tatum. It's in response to your biased trade ideas, the latest being a trade that would send Holmes, Buddy, and Mitchell out for Horford, Washtington, and Schroeder. I mean, I get it. Each fan base has outliers. You're the outlier for the Celts fan base.

You can have Jaylen, all I want is Barnes and Hali

Lolzz. Fox, a lotto protected first, and Barnes?

[Curmudgeon]

Let them keep Fox. Nice player, but his contract is a huge overpay. I would want Haliburton or Mitchell.

[GoCeltics123]

Prediction: quiet deadline this year.

CRAZY offseason though

[Larry_Russell]

White does have the potential to be a great lead guard. But I kind of like him as a SG more. He and Marcus would make a great backcourt, imo.

Also I really like Brunson, but he is undersized and is looking for 20 million per.

THT not sold on like everyone else. I dont see it. what am I missing there

Brunson isn't exactly undersized - he's got a good frame for 6'1 and he isn't afraid to drive the paint.

If THT had shown enough for you to be sold on him, he wouldn't be available. Or they'd be trading him for Jerami Grant. He's an interesting player at the right price.

True, if he develops offensively (shooting) then he could be a pretty cool player I guess. Good defense, can handle the ball. Competes hard.

[Feed Your Head]

Prediction: quiet deadline this year.

CRAZY offseason though

Think Smart or J Rich could get moved, along with Schroder. But nothing huge yet, IMO.

[Larry_Russell]

Who is Washington?

I'm offering Horford straight up for Hield. Gets the Kings out of the third year of Hield'scontract. If the Kings say no, it's no big deal.

I would also offer Brown for Barnes, one of their young guards and a 2023 unprotected first round pick. But I'm one of the only posters here who would, and if Stevens does move Brown, I'm guessing it will be for Collins.

PJ Washington,

I proposed:

Horford (exp essentially) Schroder (Exp, replaces Hield scoring) PJ Washington and a Boston first to Sacramento

Holmes and Romeo to Charlotte

Buddy, Mitchell and Plumblee to Boston

Was told I was an extreme homer, came here to our board to complain about how much I overvalued Horford and Schroder and that Mitchel could only be had for Brown or Tatum.

[Larry_Russell]

Prediction: quiet deadline this year.

CRAZY offseason though

Think Smart or J Rich could get moved, along with Schroder. But nothing huge yet, IMO.

SChroder is 100%, imo
Horford is a good chance to go

Smart is a maybe but I really doubt it. if a crazy offer comes in then sure.

RIchardson, yeah.

Need to free up time so the IME is forced to play the young guys, imo.

[celtics543]

Man, you Kings fans are delusional with trade demands....

Okay guys now let's get back to figuring out how many picks Philly has to throw in when we trade them Sam Hauser and Romeo Langford for Ben Simmons.

Honestly, every fan base overrates their own guys and is always slightly disappointed when they get traded and they see what they're worth.

Hahahaha love the post man.

Agree with that for sure.

I know this Kings poster wasn't saying mitchell is worth brown. Just that sac sucks, why on earth would we be trading our top 10 pick rookie for al horford and Schroder. I mean come on. If we are trading 1 of Fox, mitchell, Hali, we would want an upgrade not meh vets.

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lies

Schroder, Horford, PJ Washingtona and a 1st

for Mitchell and Buddy and Holmes


But hey, maybe that 3pg lineup will break your 14 year playoff drought

Just joking and trying to keep it light in here. I wouldn't want to trade my lottery pick for three months of Schroeder and the right to cut Al at the end of the year either. PJ Washington and a 1st round pick wouldn't get it done.

[Larry_Russell]

Is Brunson a realistic get for Smart? Seems like Mavs fans don't like that idea at all. Not to mention, they need shooting, too. If that's the case, not sure what the discussions are centered around. Hopefully not THJ.

Smart is better than Brunson. It's just Mavs fans don't know that and they love Brunson.

There was a MassLive article saying the Mavs are interested in Smart. Here's a crazy deal:

Celtics get: Brunson, Porzingis
Mavs get: Smart, Horford

Pretty sure the salaries work. Porzingis is on the hook for ~$34M next year, and has an option for the following year at $36M that he may exercise, but even if he did he'd at least be expiring and semi-useful. Interesting one to think about at least, though not my first choice for a deal.

I would be interested in that deal, although Boston wins on PAper, KP is owed ALOT of money and is pretty fragile. Brunson wants 20 per as well, so boston is taking on, basically, 50 million+ per season for the next few years in them 2.

Also, not sure how KP works at PF anymore and not sure how KP would behave while being the 3rd guy.

Brunson
Brown
Tatum
KP
Timelord

If the planets aligned that would be a hell of a team.


Smart/Burke
Doncic/THjr
DFS/Bullock
Kleber/Chriss
Horford/Powell

I think the fit around Doncic is better

[GoCeltics123]

Prediction: quiet deadline this year.

CRAZY offseason though

Think Smart or J Rich could get moved, along with Schroder. But nothing huge yet, IMO.

J Rich is a lot more likely than Smart imo, and it all depends on return. Dennis is 100% gone.

There was some stuff in that article too that wasn't even about Harden.

Philadelphia officials and executives across the league continue to monitor Bradley Beal's status in Washington.

For Simmons to be dealt now, as his camp clearly hopes will materialize, Philadelphia has remained primarily engaged with Atlanta and Sacramento of late, league sources confirmed to B/R. The Kings have shown a willingness to take back Tobias Harris' contract in addition to Simmons. The Hawks, however, are uninterested in acquiring Harris in order to land Simmons at this time and have been searching for a third team to function as a trade partner, sources told B/R.

As the Sixers continue to hold firm in their lofty asking price, with that Harden-sized elephant always in the room, both Atlanta and Sacramento have emerged as strong suitors for Jerami Grant, sources told B/R. The Hawks and Kings join a long list of teams that includes the Lakers, Trail Blazers, Knicks, Jazz and Timberwolves among others. The Bulls have continued exploring avenues to land Grant without sacrificing prized swingman Patrick Williams, sources said.
While there's been no direct indication on particular trade frameworks for Atlanta's pursuit of Grant, the Hawks have grown more active in searching for a new home for John Collins, sources said, and Collins' salary works in a direct swap for Grant. The Kings are said to have removed De'Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton from any ongoing trade conversations, though Marvin Bagley III has consistently drawn interest from Detroit.

Wizards trading their future for Grant and paying him and Beal would be the most Wizards move of all time. Imagine spending $73 million of your cap on a 1/2 tandem of Beal and Grant lol

[Curmudgeon]

I think quite a bit will depend on the next few games. Before the Feb 10th deadline the Celtics play Sacramento, Atlanta, New Orleans, Charlotte, Detroit, Orlando and Brooklyn, That's 7 games with a good mix of games that should be winnable and games that will be tough. If they are still .500 (or worse) after playing Orlando on Feb. 6, I would expect fireworks at the deadline. If they go 5-1 after playing Orlando, I would expect a quieter deadline.