Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition

[Nazrmohamed]

What’s the absolute cap for you on what you’d give?

Quickley/Toppin, our pick this yr. If he's worth more than that you bail. I like Haliburton. I wish people listened to me as I told everyone the Knicks need to draft him but I'm not giving up the world to fix my mistakes. Just do better next time.

How do you know there will be a next time with this current roster?

And assuming you somehow do have the chance again, why wouldn't you pay the world to maximize your team IF you believe that much in this kid? Just to say "I didn't over pay"?

Well first of all I think that's a good package but second there's always a chance. Your opportunity cost isn't Haliburton vs nothing. It's Haliburton vs options that arise every single year. Before Haliburton there was Ball. There's even Fox. So never believe ANY trade is the must do trade unless you're talking about generational player which Haliburton even in me liking him is not. He's not potentially the best PG in the league, he's just a solid PG still in the prospect phase of his career. It's like when someone says "we have to draft a PG"

Meh, that's how you land Frank Ntilikina when there are better options at other positions. Don't be thirsty. You either trade from a position of power or you walk away. Everything in life is good at one price and bad at another.

[dakomish23]

Quickley/Toppin, our pick this yr. If he's worth more than that you bail. I like Haliburton. I wish people listened to me as I told everyone the Knicks need to draft him but I'm not giving up the world to fix my mistakes. Just do better next time.

How do you know there will be a next time with this current roster?

And assuming you somehow do have the chance again, why wouldn't you pay the world to maximize your team IF you believe that much in this kid? Just to say "I didn't over pay"?

Well first of all I think that's a good package but second there's always a chance. Your opportunity cost isn't Haliburton vs nothing. It's Haliburton vs options that arise every single year. Before Haliburton there was Ball. There's even Fox. So never believe ANY trade is the must do trade unless you're talking about generational player which Haliburton even in me liking him is not. He's not potentially the best PG in the league, he's just a solid PG still in the prospect phase of his career. It's like when someone says "we have to draft a PG"

Meh, that's how you land Frank Ntilikina when there are better options at other positions. Don't be thirsty. You either trade from a position of power or you walk away. Everything in life is good at one price and bad at another.

We weren't in a position to get Ball or Fox so using either as an example doesn't make sense.

Roster construction isn't buying a car. You're doing this to compete for a championship, not get from point A to point B, which any car will do. Also you have the window to maximize the opportunity now before you pay some of these young guys. Adding pieces will only get harder with a bloated ledger.

If you believe Hali is a big piece toward that puzzle, I pay the price. Everyone is so desperate to not overpay but then hate it when they have one of the worst starting PGs in the league for decades. That's how you end up with Duhon, then Felton, then Douglas, then Felton, then Calderon, then Payton, then an aging Kemba. We are forever trying to put bandaids out there when having a floor general is the most important part to a team's success.

[8516knicks]

Only 6 TOs so far!

[nyk2017]

If this “do nothing” FO does nothing big this trade deadline or in the off-season, then we will return the same garbage next year.

[br7knicks]

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[E-Balla]

Half our rotation players are under 23. No need to panic and **** up our flexibility long term. If we can hang around .500 the next two years while these guys develop hopefully RJ, IQ, Obi, or Mitch take that step forward and attract better players. It's 2022, hoping a star asks to be traded to your roster is a legit way to build a team.

[G_K_F]

Half our rotation players are under 23. No need to panic and **** up our flexibility long term. If we can hang around .500 the next two years while these guys develop hopefully RJ, IQ, Obi, or Mitch take that step forward and attract better players. It's 2022, hoping a star asks to be traded to your roster is a legit way to build a team.

Robinson is who he is. 3rd year in the league and he’s the same player.

Quickley is a bench player at best.

RJ has regressed and needs to show consistency for an entire season. But he still has potential.

Obi still has potential to be a solid starter in the league.

Grimes has potential to be a solid 15 ppg player in this league.

Overall, the “young talent” is mostly (or all) role players. No future stars. Unless we get lucky in the draft we’re not finding a franchise player. Nobody is going to want be traded here to play with Randle and Fournier. Because if we do ‘trade for a star’ we’ll trade all our assets for them anyway. We need to build a better roster.

20+ years as a bad team and didn’t draft one franchise player. Pathetic franchise.

[Nazrmohamed]

How do you know there will be a next time with this current roster?

And assuming you somehow do have the chance again, why wouldn't you pay the world to maximize your team IF you believe that much in this kid? Just to say "I didn't over pay"?

Well first of all I think that's a good package but second there's always a chance. Your opportunity cost isn't Haliburton vs nothing. It's Haliburton vs options that arise every single year. Before Haliburton there was Ball. There's even Fox. So never believe ANY trade is the must do trade unless you're talking about generational player which Haliburton even in me liking him is not. He's not potentially the best PG in the league, he's just a solid PG still in the prospect phase of his career. It's like when someone says "we have to draft a PG"

Meh, that's how you land Frank Ntilikina when there are better options at other positions. Don't be thirsty. You either trade from a position of power or you walk away. Everything in life is good at one price and bad at another.

We weren't in a position to get Ball or Fox so using either as an example doesn't make sense.

Roster construction isn't buying a car. You're doing this to compete for a championship, not get from point A to point B, which any car will do. Also you have the window to maximize the opportunity now before you pay some of these young guys. Adding pieces will only get harder with a bloated ledger.

If you believe Hali is a big piece toward that puzzle, I pay the price. Everyone is so desperate to not overpay but then hate it when they have one of the worst starting PGs in the league for decades. That's how you end up with Duhon, then Felton, then Douglas, then Felton, then Calderon, then Payton, then an aging Kemba. We are forever trying to put bandaids out there when having a floor general is the most important part to a team's success.

I'm just saying at different times and maybe even now in Fox's case, there have been "the PG you have to get". The moment Haliburton is traded to another team besides us or stays put, I'll come back to you and you'll have like 3 other contingent options for me. I mean, am I wrong Dakomish? I'm sure you have your Dejaunte Murry scenarios all worked out, your Rick Brunson scenarios all worked out. One could even argue that Brunson fits our roster better

Also my window isn't to make this team better with Julius on it. In fact I don't even think the Haliburton you believe we'd be trading for would look like the Haliburton you know upon coming to the Knicks BECAUSE of what we do with Randle. Randle sucks the life out of PGs cause he IS the PG. You think I wanna watch Haliburton play off ball while Julius spins into crowds?

It's like, I get what you're saying cause man I REALLY like Haliburton. You can track my posts leading up to that draft. I was arguing with people telling me he wasn't a real PG. But I say that about someone every yr and so do you. Make your pitch and you move on.

Now I do agree with you that something must be done but I think there are many things to be done and Haliburton is just one of many scenarios.

[nyk2017]

Half our rotation players are under 23. No need to panic and **** up our flexibility long term. If we can hang around .500 the next two years while these guys develop hopefully RJ, IQ, Obi, or Mitch take that step forward and attract better players. It's 2022, hoping a star asks to be traded to your roster is a legit way to build a team.

Robinson is who he is. 3rd year in the league and he’s the same player.

Quickley is a bench player at best.

RJ has regressed and needs to show consistency for an entire season. But he still has potential.

Obi still has potential to be a solid starter in the league.

Grimes has potential to be a solid 15 ppg player in this league.

Overall, the “young talent” is mostly (or all) role players. No future stars. Unless we get lucky in the draft we’re not finding a franchise player. Nobody is going to want be traded here to play with Randle and Fournier. Because if we do ‘trade for a star’ we’ll trade all our assets for them anyway. We need to build a better roster.

20+ years as a bad team and didn’t draft one franchise player. Pathetic franchise.

Which is why we need to find a way to trade for Shai or Fox. We need a young stud PG. Both can be had for the right price.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Grimes/Duece
RJ/IQ
Cam
Obi
Mitch/Sims

The only players worth keeping on the entire team. Rose can stay and Taj can stay. Everyone else STFU AND GTFO! Thibs gotta go too because not only is he stubborn...he is just a lousy HC. NOTHING he does makes any sense at all. Since Woody left...Thibs been exposed.

There is nothing left to say. I'm just gonna copy and paste this every post in every thread for the rest of the season.

[thelead]

Hi Knicks fans. I come in peace

I've posted this deal on the magic forum as well to see how many magic fans would do the deal but I'm honestly interested in the opinions of Knicks fans on this deal.

The premise of this idea is 'the magic will not be matching offers on Bamba this summer and are looking to deal him'. With that said what are your thoughts on this trade:

Orl receives: RJ Barrett
NYK receives: Cole and Bamba

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyp2q6rf

Another variation of this deal could be:

Orl receives: RJ Barrett and Arcidiacono
NYK receives: Cole and TRoss

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9mzjmhr

The poll is on the original deal though. The second deal is just listed for additional discussion.

[3toheadmelo]

I’m not the highest on RJ but this is robbery for Orlando.

[Marty McFly]

no.

[mpharris36]

[thelead]

I’m not the highest on RJ but this is robbery for Orlando.

You have no idea how happy I would be to see this... and not that high on RJ either

[RHODEY]

I’m not the highest on RJ but this is robbery for Orlando.

You have no idea how happy I would be to see this... and not that high on RJ either

In before the ban.

[thelead]

I’m not the highest on RJ but this is robbery for Orlando.

You have no idea how happy I would be to see this... and not that high on RJ either

In before the ban.

Is this a 'No RJ hate' zone?

[Jalen Bluntson]

STFU and GTFO.

[thelead]

STFU and GTFO.

I did. I left Brooklyn years ago

[F N 11]

Lol troll game decent.