WORST ALL STAR STARTER! BJ Armstrong or Andrew Wiggins

[Alatan]

Wiggins is hardly a top 5 player on his own team let alone an Allstar starter. Hilarious. lol

[kenwood3333]

I know he was not a starter, but the worst All-Star I've ever seen in all my 30+ years following the NBA was... Jamaal Magloire.

How does he compare to Mo Williams?

[geminiz]

You kids are probably too young to know, but BJ is awesome.













So what does this have to do with basketball/nba again?

[michaelm]

I've watched multiple full warriors games. Wiggins is very lucky to play with Dray and Curry!

he is also very lucky bein the excellent defender he is

Also very lucky shooting the ball at high percentages and being an efficient scorer

Is not all luck, is him putting up the work, but i guess you already know it, as you watched several warriors games

The thing is he's not that great a defender. That's where having Green calling rotations helps his game so greatly. His size and length are huge factors in his defense being valuable, but while improved he still lacks awareness on both ends of the floor. Him making the allstar game isn't the worst thing ever, but anyone thinking he should start is crazy.

He is a good defender playing for GSW which just happens to be where he is playing this year.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I gotta go with BJ if for nothing else, Reggie Miller didn't even make that allstar team. At least the snubs shouldn't be THAT bad this year.

Booker snub is certainly that bad. Same stats as Steph and on by far the best team in the nba right now.

Am I missing something? The full allstar team hasn't been announced. You can't be a snub yet? And his stats don't even look remotely close to Steph. Do you mean Seth Curry?

Actually looking at booker's numbers right now, I'm not sure he's deserving of being an allstar which is weird, as he's looked great in the games I've watched, but man he doesn't have the stats.

25.0 / 5.6 reb / 4.4 apg / 44.2% fg / 37.7% 3fg

vs.

25.8 ppg / 5.4 reb / 6.2 apg / 41.8% fg / 37.7% 3fg

[Zvaart]

I really hope justice will be done for chris paul and he will get in as a reserve

I cheer for you mate!

[SeattleJazzFan]

AC Green 1990. well, BJ Armstrong, but AC Green comes in at #2. Green averaged like 12 and 8 on terrible efficiency - got the starting nod over Karl Malone who was averaging about 31 and 11.

[HotelVitale]

I know he was not a starter, but the worst All-Star I've ever seen in all my 30+ years following the NBA was... Jamaal Magloire.

How does he compare to Mo Williams?

Mo Will was limited but was really good at what he did, was legit dangerous as a quick-trigger shooter and could also handle the ball just fine. Magloire was just an awkward big body who was only effective at garbage stuff, jostling for orebs and putbacks. Never seemed in control and was always so sloppy with everything.

Also I was living in NO then and had season tickets for the Hornets, definitely rooted for Big Cat and he was a plus player, he just was really far from an all star-type talent.

[dhsilv2]

he is also very lucky bein the excellent defender he is

Also very lucky shooting the ball at high percentages and being an efficient scorer

Is not all luck, is him putting up the work, but i guess you already know it, as you watched several warriors games

The thing is he's not that great a defender. That's where having Green calling rotations helps his game so greatly. His size and length are huge factors in his defense being valuable, but while improved he still lacks awareness on both ends of the floor. Him making the allstar game isn't the worst thing ever, but anyone thinking he should start is crazy.

He is a good defender playing for GSW which just happens to be where he is playing this year.

You take him and put him on another team, like the wolves and he'd be back to be a poor defender. He's not able to read offenses and respond off ball. That's where dray screaming in his ear has had so much value. He's improved there, but you can't be a plus defender just playing really strong man defense.

[dhsilv2]

Booker snub is certainly that bad. Same stats as Steph and on by far the best team in the nba right now.

Am I missing something? The full allstar team hasn't been announced. You can't be a snub yet? And his stats don't even look remotely close to Steph. Do you mean Seth Curry?

Actually looking at booker's numbers right now, I'm not sure he's deserving of being an allstar which is weird, as he's looked great in the games I've watched, but man he doesn't have the stats.

25.0 / 5.6 reb / 4.4 apg / 44.2% fg / 37.7% 3fg

vs.

25.8 ppg / 5.4 reb / 6.2 apg / 41.8% fg / 37.7% 3fg

So you listed 5 metrics we can't used to judge anything...

[Wolf of Ball St]

I mean, it's not like Wiggins is bad. It's just that there are so many other folks more deserving of a starter spot.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Am I missing something? The full allstar team hasn't been announced. You can't be a snub yet? And his stats don't even look remotely close to Steph. Do you mean Seth Curry?

Actually looking at booker's numbers right now, I'm not sure he's deserving of being an allstar which is weird, as he's looked great in the games I've watched, but man he doesn't have the stats.

25.0 / 5.6 reb / 4.4 apg / 44.2% fg / 37.7% 3fg

vs.

25.8 ppg / 5.4 reb / 6.2 apg / 41.8% fg / 37.7% 3fg

So you listed 5 metrics we can't used to judge anything...

The beauty/flaw in using stats is that you can pick-and-choose which ones you use to support your case online.

There are so many available stats in the modern NBA. The ones I chose are pretty basic, but long used as a cursory look when comparing players for decades. Do some people find them pretty elementary and flawed? Sure. And in some ways they are.

So feel free to pick-and-choose whatever stats you'd like to use to support your case that Booker would be an undeserving All Star.



The key, however, is to actually use those stats instead of simply complaining about other posters using stats that you don't like.

[dhsilv2]

25.0 / 5.6 reb / 4.4 apg / 44.2% fg / 37.7% 3fg

vs.

25.8 ppg / 5.4 reb / 6.2 apg / 41.8% fg / 37.7% 3fg

So you listed 5 metrics we can't used to judge anything...

The beauty/flaw in using stats is that you can pick-and-choose which ones you use to support your case online.

There are so many available stats in the modern NBA. The ones I chose are pretty basic, but long used as a cursory look when comparing players for decades. Do some people find them pretty elementary and flawed? Sure. And in some ways they are.

So feel free to pick-and-choose whatever stats you'd like to use to support your case that Booker would be an undeserving All Star.



The key, however, is to actually use those stats instead of simply complaining about other posters using stats that you don't like.

But I'm not the one picking and choosing. They all tell the story that Curry is better when you provide them all. Instead you cut out half or more of the box score stats from each player. You didn't tell me even how many field goals and free throws they take. So no you CAN'T pick and chose. You either look at them all or you don't.

What your stats completely skew is that we don't see that one of these guys takes a LOT more of those 37%+ 3's and thus is an above average efficiency scorer while the other guy is slightly below average. Meanwhile the assist gap here alone pretty much makes the second player a pretty obvious better player, even here.

It isn't like there are stats showing booker is better than Curry or similar even. PER is about as close a metric as it gets and it's still a full point gap.

What you did was intentionally present a misleading incompletely set of data. That's being dishonest. If I'd looked up booker and he was rocking a top 15 impact set of stats, had a BPM near 6 or more, a WS/48 .15+, or had higher volume scoring to where we could account for it elsewhere. Heck if you could argue there was a huge gap in talent on the two teams...ok lets talk. I honestly was surprised by how far the gap between booker and curry was because honestly, I have thought booker looked good in the games I saw and I assumed the Sun's strong play had to be heavy on him. Turns out...it's still CP3 doing the leg work on paper.

[Larry_Russell]

I know he was not a starter, but the worst All-Star I've ever seen in all my 30+ years following the NBA was... Jamaal Magloire.

I was going to post exactly this name.

[GSWFan1994]

I know he was not a starter, but the worst All-Star I've ever seen in all my 30+ years following the NBA was... Jamaal Magloire.

How does he compare to Mo Williams?

Mo was an All-Star averaging 18/3/4 with 44% 3pt shooting. Not out of this world numbers, but similar to other players over the years, like Conley last year.

Magloire averaged 14/10 + 1.2 blocks in a team which finished .500. Weirdly enough, that New Orleans Hornets team had TWO All-Stars (Baron Davis was the other).

Just imagine the inumerable threads we would have today if a .500 team had 2 All-Stars...

[Larry_Russell]

BJ prior allstar game that season was 16ppg, 2.5rpg, 4apg, 1spg 48% and 40% and team was 34-13

Wiggins 18ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, 1spg 48$ and 41% and team is 37-12

Both pretty Meh to me.

[AbeVigodaLive]

BJ prior allstar game that season was 16ppg, 2.5rpg, 4apg, 1spg 48% and 40% and team was 34-13

Wiggins 18ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, 1spg 48$ and 41% and team is 37-12

Both pretty Meh to me.

Those aren't real stats though.

[AbeVigodaLive]

So you listed 5 metrics we can't used to judge anything...

The beauty/flaw in using stats is that you can pick-and-choose which ones you use to support your case online.

There are so many available stats in the modern NBA. The ones I chose are pretty basic, but long used as a cursory look when comparing players for decades. Do some people find them pretty elementary and flawed? Sure. And in some ways they are.

So feel free to pick-and-choose whatever stats you'd like to use to support your case that Booker would be an undeserving All Star.



The key, however, is to actually use those stats instead of simply complaining about other posters using stats that you don't like.

But I'm not the one picking and choosing. They all tell the story that Curry is better when you provide them all. Instead you cut out half or more of the box score stats from each player. You didn't tell me even how many field goals and free throws they take. So no you CAN'T pick and chose. You either look at them all or you don't.

What your stats completely skew is that we don't see that one of these guys takes a LOT more of those 37%+ 3's and thus is an above average efficiency scorer while the other guy is slightly below average. Meanwhile the assist gap here alone pretty much makes the second player a pretty obvious better player, even here.

It isn't like there are stats showing booker is better than Curry or similar even. PER is about as close a metric as it gets and it's still a full point gap.

What you did was intentionally present a misleading incompletely set of data. That's being dishonest. If I'd looked up booker and he was rocking a top 15 impact set of stats, had a BPM near 6 or more, a WS/48 .15+, or had higher volume scoring to where we could account for it elsewhere. Heck if you could argue there was a huge gap in talent on the two teams...ok lets talk. I honestly was surprised by how far the gap between booker and curry was because honestly, I have thought booker looked good in the games I saw and I assumed the Sun's strong play had to be heavy on him. Turns out...it's still CP3 doing the leg work on paper.

I know you didn't pick and choose stats.

You simply didn't use any at all. And then ripped on the guy who did.

See the difference?







[Note: Thanks for posting some stats now though. I think most/all of us would agree that Curry is the more influential player, despite a similarity in cursory stats. Now, for your next act, can you share some stats that support your doubt in Booker as an All Star reserve as you initially claimed? I'm pretty sure you'll be able to... but the stats would definitely help support what could be deemed as a bit of an outlier take.]

[Jadoogar]

some more options
Dale Davis
AC Green

[Larry_Russell]

BJ prior allstar game that season was 16ppg, 2.5rpg, 4apg, 1spg 48% and 40% and team was 34-13

Wiggins 18ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, 1spg 48$ and 41% and team is 37-12

Both pretty Meh to me.

Those aren't real stats though.

What?