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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1861 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:29 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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Clyde_Style wrote:Oh and BTW, still trying to milk a false correlation between the dangers of the flu and covid is just bad faith politics as usual. When you will lose a million people in the U.S. to covid in a little over two years it is not the same as losing tens of thousands a year to the flu which the endemic remnant of a century old pandemic. Such a dishonest thing to say

Yes this.

In the US,
A bad flu kills 30-40,000 in a year.
Covid kills 500,000 in a year.


I think it got 2,800 in one day sometime this past week. That's like one World Trade Center airplane bombing a day. That's what it was like during the first wave.




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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1862 » by BKlutch » Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:31 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
BKlutch wrote:Yes this.

In the US,
A bad flu kills 30-40,000 in a year.
Covid kills 500,000 in a year.


I think it got 2,800 in one day sometime this past week. That's like one World Trade Center airplane bombing a day. That's what it was like during the first wave.




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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1863 » by Jethrobodine123 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:27 pm

K-DOT wrote:
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K-DOT wrote:Off topic, but isn't the idea that homogeneity in rural/suburban life is more fulfilling and the ideal while heterogeneous cities are a bunch of sh*tholes rooted in racism?

Like, that's the line what started White Flight in the 50s, no?

Anyways, another reminder that this is the Covid thread. If you want to propagate your culture war bullsh*t, take it somewhere else. This is the last friendly warning.


Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that Covid and the vaccinations for Covid as well as measures we can do to stop the spread of Covid are part of a broader cultural and political divide, we didn’t mean for it to go too far off track and it’s hard for it not to because of that but anyway sorry

I understand the politics can't be kept separate

I just want to keep it within reason, within the discussion of Covid itself

Like, when we're off talking about how Bill doesn't want "them" in his small, homogenous town because "they" don't belong, it's not about Covid anymore, and this isn't a general politics thread.


Perhaps a simple solution would be to add "general politics" to The Official Covid/Omicron thread headliner. It's almost impossible to discuss covid without bringing politics into the mix, being that it has been and is continuing to be so politicized. There's been some great discussions along the way.

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1864 » by Jethrobodine123 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:33 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
BKlutch wrote:Yes this.

In the US,
A bad flu kills 30-40,000 in a year.
Covid kills 500,000 in a year.


I think it got 2,800 in one day sometime this past week. That's like one World Trade Center airplane bombing a day. That's what it was like during the first wave.




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That's like 20 Boeing 737-400s going down with no survivors in one day. Imagine if that would be happening what steps would be taken to put an end to it. Just remarkable.

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1865 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:13 pm

Jethrobodine123 wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I think it got 2,800 in one day sometime this past week. That's like one World Trade Center airplane bombing a day. That's what it was like during the first wave.




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That's like 20 Boeing 737-400s going down with no survivors in one day. Imagine if that would be happening what steps would be taken to put an end to it. Just remarkable.

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The total dead in the US is the equivalent of the population of San Francisco. Just madness.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1866 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:27 pm

Jethrobodine123 wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that Covid and the vaccinations for Covid as well as measures we can do to stop the spread of Covid are part of a broader cultural and political divide, we didn’t mean for it to go too far off track and it’s hard for it not to because of that but anyway sorry

I understand the politics can't be kept separate

I just want to keep it within reason, within the discussion of Covid itself

Like, when we're off talking about how Bill doesn't want "them" in his small, homogenous town because "they" don't belong, it's not about Covid anymore, and this isn't a general politics thread.


Perhaps a simple solution would be to add "general politics" to The Official Covid/Omicron thread headliner. It's almost impossible to discuss covid without bringing politics into the mix, being that it has been and is continuing to be so politicized. There's been some great discussions along the way.

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That would work. It is always OT threads that morph into a variety of topics. A current affairs thread would catch most topics not sport related
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1867 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:29 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Jethrobodine123 wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:


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That's like 20 Boeing 737-400s going down with no survivors in one day. Imagine if that would be happening what steps would be taken to put an end to it. Just remarkable.

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The total dead in the US is the equivalent of the population of San Francisco. Just madness.


The great majority of the deaths now are among the unvaccinated, thousands of them dying each day. Seems like a good sales pitch for getting vaccination, but no
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1868 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:52 pm

When a more dangerous virus emerges there will be tens of millions of Americans whose knee jerk response is to resist cooperating with safety measures whether they be lockdowns, social distancing, masking or vaxxing. And they will be annihilated.

This is the future of mankind and hundreds of millions of people globally may die in the name of some vague notion of freedom. There will never be any government that can help those people. They will choose to die in ignorance while blaming those who tried to help them.

That more dangerous virus will thus enforce natural selection. This is the way
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1869 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:18 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Jethrobodine123 wrote:
That's like 20 Boeing 737-400s going down with no survivors in one day. Imagine if that would be happening what steps would be taken to put an end to it. Just remarkable.

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The total dead in the US is the equivalent of the population of San Francisco. Just madness.


The great majority of the deaths now are among the unvaccinated, thousands of them dying each day. Seems like a good sales pitch for getting vaccination, but no



We've reached a critical point now where these morons are choosing to martyr themselves instead of getting the vaccine:



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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1870 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:23 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
The total dead in the US is the equivalent of the population of San Francisco. Just madness.


The great majority of the deaths now are among the unvaccinated, thousands of them dying each day. Seems like a good sales pitch for getting vaccination, but no



We've reached a critical point now where these morons are choosing to martyr themselves instead of getting the vaccine:





Odds are that 9 out of 10 holding these beliefs about their freedom also have no problem with the invasion of the Capitol on January 6th. Most of them don't know the first thing about defending the constitution, but they'll wave their flags and honor criminals they voted into office.

I'm not saying that every person who expresses any form of doubt or who chooses not to comply with every safety measure is down with sedition, but based on my extensive exposure to the freedumb crowd in Florida there is often a firm correlation between people who think not wearing a mask is an expression of freedom and those have no issue with trying to illegally overturn free and fair elections.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1871 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:32 pm

If the majority(99%?) of cases and deaths are unvaccinated. Good for them. They stood up for what they believed in and they paid the price. It is not my concern anymore.

There is still over 45% of the globe unvaccinated for various reasons. Billions of people. Some of them are just dumb people who can get it for free and don't want to. I'm sure a much much larger number is poor countries. The variants will keep coming because of this. Protect yourselves as best you can and hope for the best. There's a global issue with unvaccinated. Far bigger than just the morons we see on social media. You can't fix stupid but...what about the rest of the problem?
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1872 » by Gorilla Monsoon » Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:19 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
The great majority of the deaths now are among the unvaccinated, thousands of them dying each day. Seems like a good sales pitch for getting vaccination, but no



We've reached a critical point now where these morons are choosing to martyr themselves instead of getting the vaccine:





Odds are that 9 out of 10 holding these beliefs about their freedom also have no problem with the invasion of the Capitol on January 6th. Most of them don't know the first thing about defending the constitution, but they'll wave their flags and honor criminals they voted into office.

I'm not saying that every person who expresses any form of doubt or who chooses not to comply with every safety measure is down with sedition, but based on my extensive exposure to the freedumb crowd in Florida there is often a firm correlation between people who think not wearing a mask is an expression of freedom and those have no issue with trying to illegally overturn free and fair elections.


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According to the CDC, as of Jan 10, only 54 percent of black people across 42 states have received even one dose of the vax. I had no idea almost half of the African American population were Trumpers who support sedition. Well, your guess was 9 out of 10, so I guess we can adjust for that.

To me, it's obvious mainstream media outlets like CBS report these specific stories to make you feel the way you feel about the unvaxxed. They love it when it's a dopey looking white guy from the south. Never would they report on a black, hispanic or asian father or mother tragically not being able to receive a heart transplant. Not quite as effective. And now here you are snidely telling us natural selection will take care of almost half the black population, as well as the other minorities listed there who are unvaxxed at an even higher rate than blacks. Nice job.

January 6 was so clearly staged, it's not even funny. Trump walked his base right into it, just like he did with Q. It was designed to make conservatives and "truthers" look like criminals and wack jobs, and all they needed was a 100 or so idiots to pull it off. The intelligent ones across the country and world have distanced themselves from the movement all together once the evil trick revealed itself. Mark my words though- Trump will face no legal ramifications for it, despite all of your rallying for his arrest. He will run again in 2024, and the nightmare will continue.

In the mean time, stop grouping all of the non-liberal, unvaxxed citizens into your little basket of deplorables. You're stuck in a false binary.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1873 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:59 pm

Gorilla Monsoon wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

We've reached a critical point now where these morons are choosing to martyr themselves instead of getting the vaccine:





Odds are that 9 out of 10 holding these beliefs about their freedom also have no problem with the invasion of the Capitol on January 6th. Most of them don't know the first thing about defending the constitution, but they'll wave their flags and honor criminals they voted into office.

I'm not saying that every person who expresses any form of doubt or who chooses not to comply with every safety measure is down with sedition, but based on my extensive exposure to the freedumb crowd in Florida there is often a firm correlation between people who think not wearing a mask is an expression of freedom and those have no issue with trying to illegally overturn free and fair elections.


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According to the CDC, as of Jan 10, only 54 percent of black people across 42 states have received even one dose of the vax. I had no idea almost half of the African American population were Trumpers who support sedition. Well, your guess was 9 out of 10, so I guess we can adjust for that.

To me, it's obvious mainstream media outlets like CBS report these specific stories to make you feel the way you feel about the unvaxxed. They love it when it's a dopey looking white guy from the south. Never would they report on a black, hispanic or asian father or mother tragically not being able to receive a heart transplant. Not quite as effective. And now here you are snidely telling us natural selection will take care of almost half the black population, as well as the other minorities listed there who are unvaxxed at an even higher rate than blacks. Nice job.

January 6 was so clearly staged, it's not even funny. Trump walked his base right into it, just like he did with Q. It was designed to make conservatives and "truthers" look like criminals and wack jobs, and all they needed was a 100 or so idiots to pull it off. The intelligent ones across the country and world have distanced themselves from the movement all together once the evil trick revealed itself. Mark my words though- Trump will face no legal ramifications for it, despite all of your rallying for his arrest. He will run again in 2024, and the nightmare will continue.

In the mean time, stop grouping all of the non-liberal, unvaxxed citizens into your little basket of deplorables. You're stuck in a false binary.


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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1874 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:24 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
The great majority of the deaths now are among the unvaccinated, thousands of them dying each day. Seems like a good sales pitch for getting vaccination, but no



We've reached a critical point now where these morons are choosing to martyr themselves instead of getting the vaccine:





Odds are that 9 out of 10 holding these beliefs about their freedom also have no problem with the invasion of the Capitol on January 6th. Most of them don't know the first thing about defending the constitution, but they'll wave their flags and honor criminals they voted into office.

I'm not saying that every person who expresses any form of doubt or who chooses not to comply with every safety measure is down with sedition, but based on my extensive exposure to the freedom crowd in Florida there is often a firm correlation between people who think not wearing a mask is an expression of freedom and those have no issue with trying to illegally overturn free and fair elections.


It's the same crowd that thinks climate change is a hoax. "Fear" is what the right wing media and their political consultants use to manipulate the conservative mind. Turns out that they're the little snowflakes.

Maybe we can breed this gene out of existence. We'll just have to start routing up conservatives (we can use the police for this function) and sending to our underground neutering hospitals where we'll perform that necessary medical procedures on them.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds

Conservatives Big on Fear, Brain Study Finds
Are people born conservative?
Posted April 19, 2011 | Reviewed by Ekua Hagan

Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals.

The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity. :D

The results are not that surprising, as they fit in with conclusions from other studies. Just a year ago, researchers from Harvard and UCLA San Diego reported finding a "liberal" gene. This gene had a tiny effect, however, and worked only for adolescents having many friends. The results also mesh with psychological studies on conflict monitoring.

What It Means

There is a big unknown underlying these findings. Supposing that the size of one's amygdala really does increase the likelihood of being a conservative, is the size of the amygdala determined at birth, or does it perhaps increase with frightening childhood experiences, such as authoritarian parenting and corporal punishment?

Similarly, one might ask whether the gray matter difference is affected by exposure to educational challenge, social diversity, or childhood cognitive enrichment.

The "born" versus "acquired" perspective on political attitudes is important to psychologists. After all, if political proclivities are fixed at birth in terms of brain anatomy, there is little hope of change. Most of us would probably like to see a world in which political attitudes were less polarized and more changeable, but that may be a pipe dream.

Meanwhile, the neuro-scientific fact of two very different political creatures helps clarify much of the political antics of modern democracies.

Most societies are divided into a party that wants change (the more liberal party) and one that is afraid of change (the conservatives). The liberal party is generally more intellectual and the conservative party is more anti-intellectual.

The conservative party is big on national defense and magnifies our perception of threat, whether of foreign aggressors, immigrants, terrorists, or invading ideologies like Communism. To a conservative, the world really is a frightening place.

Given that their brains are so different, it is hardly surprising that liberals and conservatives should spend so much time talking across each other and never achieving real dialogue or consensus.

As scientists, we hope that these results are replicated because they shed so much light on political behavior. As citizens, we would prefer if politicians were not divided into such different categories of a political animal.

If everyone was born with the same brain potential to acquire either conservative or liberal views, then we could be more optimistic about prospects for political communication and consensus-building. If voters were of like brain, perhaps they could be of like mind.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1875 » by BKlutch » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:30 pm

Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, and others are too old and too unpopular to have any effect on Spotify. Rogan and Spotify won.

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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1876 » by BKlutch » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:35 pm

Jethrobodine123 wrote:
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Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that Covid and the vaccinations for Covid as well as measures we can do to stop the spread of Covid are part of a broader cultural and political divide, we didn’t mean for it to go too far off track and it’s hard for it not to because of that but anyway sorry

I understand the politics can't be kept separate

I just want to keep it within reason, within the discussion of Covid itself

Like, when we're off talking about how Bill doesn't want "them" in his small, homogenous town because "they" don't belong, it's not about Covid anymore, and this isn't a general politics thread.


Perhaps a simple solution would be to add "general politics" to The Official Covid/Omicron thread headliner. It's almost impossible to discuss covid without bringing politics into the mix, being that it has been and is continuing to be so politicized. There's been some great discussions along the way.

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I would never agree to add general politics to science, medicine, and valuing truth. Especially with so many lives at stake.
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1877 » by Gorilla Monsoon » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:39 pm

I challenge you all to watch this video in its entirety. I think Jimbo makes a lot of great points.

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Post#1878 » by DOT » Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:52 pm

Gorilla Monsoon wrote:I challenge you all to watch this video in its entirety. I think Jimbo makes a lot of great points.


Here's a video showing Jimmy Dore omitting information and straight up lying about what people say

Because anti-vax content gets clicks, and he will lie to get them



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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1879 » by BKlutch » Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:47 am

People who accept liars and tellers of talk tales as sources of data don’t deserve our attention to their worthless videos. If you can’t tell fact from fiction and have no way of going about making that differentiation, don’t waste our time. Preach to the gullible, or the followers of Jimmy Dore.

Hmm.. JD as in James Dolan and Jimmy Dore… can you prove they’re not controlled by the same alien hive mind?
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Re: OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread 

Post#1880 » by robillionaire » Mon Jan 31, 2022 3:56 am

don’t get your medical advice from grifter comedians, please if nothing else have a conversation with your own doctor

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