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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#801 » by Feed Your Head » Tue Feb 1, 2022 6:47 pm

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So according to this, Tatum has the 2nd worst spacing among the top 10 scorers. Tell us something we don't know. Add to Tatum's own struggles shooting the ball, no wonder Cs starters are ranked 26th in the league in 3FG%.


Dumping Schroder will make a big difference with this, since Tatum is always stuck with him.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#802 » by Parliament10 » Tue Feb 1, 2022 6:49 pm

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snowman wrote:I think they starters should remain as is, with only a situational change. We should move Horford to back up 5 except against the team that start a "two big" lineup. and move G. Will in the the starting PF spot, or move Richardson into the SG spot and rotate Brown and Tatum over to SF and PF.

As far as the bench goes, during this upcoming trade deadline, we really should try to open up a roster spot to move Denzel Valentine to the big club for the remaining part of the year. He's just killing it in the G-League with 22pts, 11.3 rebs, and shooting 47 % from 3 on 11 attempts per game. Just a couple thoughts.

I like the Idea of Grant Starting, except when the Double-Centers are needed.
Not sure about moving Valentine up.

Though, I would play Hauser and B. Thomas as Two-Ways, as much as possible.
Richardson and Pritchard can share Backup PG duties, as a 2-Ballhandler 2nd Unit.

Proposed Rotation, 2nd Half of 2021-22:
Starters: Smart - Brown - Tatum - Grant - R. Williams
Rotation: Pritchard - Richardson - Langford/Nesmith - Horford
Reserves: XXXX - XXXX - XXXX - Fernando - Kanter
Two-Ways: Thomas - Hauser

Only weakspot there is backup PF or Center IMO.

Schroder ideally addresses that. The bench would be really solid with:

2 ball handlers (Pritchard and Richardson)
3 defenders (Richardson and Romeo and Horford)
2 shooters (Pritchard and Nesmith)
2.5 playmakers (horford and Richardson, a potential of Pritchard
And a much better than expected Horford as the stabilizing force at PF or C

Yeah. Horford and Tatum will have to play some Backup Mins at PF.
Langford/Nesmith will have to come in for Tatum at SF. (Hauser in as a Shooter, when possible.)


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One Glaring thing I see about this Team.:
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#803 » by Larry_Russell » Tue Feb 1, 2022 6:52 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
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So according to this, Tatum has the 2nd worst spacing among the top 10 scorers. Tell us something we don't know. Add to Tatum's own struggles shooting the ball, no wonder Cs starters are ranked 26th in the league in 3FG%.



I find Ja Surprising.

I thought they were a better shooting team than us.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#804 » by Feed Your Head » Tue Feb 1, 2022 7:25 pm

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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#805 » by snowman » Wed Feb 2, 2022 12:20 am

There are 30 games left in the regular season. For Brown to hit his bonus and push us further into lux tax he will have to play 27 of the 30 games and become an all-star this season. If he hits his bonuses, we will be a little less than 2.8 mil over tax, if he doesn't, we will only be about 850 K.

How many think he will hit his bonuses.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#806 » by Parliament10 » Wed Feb 2, 2022 1:43 am

snowman wrote:There are 30 games left in the regular season. For Brown to hit his bonus and push us further into lux tax he will have to play 27 of the 30 games and become an all-star this season. If he hits his bonuses, we will be a little less than 2.8 mil over tax, if he doesn't, we will only be about 850 K.

How many think he will hit his bonuses.

I think that he misses the All-Stars. But, he might make the games, though.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

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Post#808 » by Triple M » Wed Feb 2, 2022 2:06 am

Are we in the mist of turning it around. The fact we are actually blowing out teams is excellent for a change because, over the last few years, it seemed like every game was within 5 points in the last few minutes only to lose at the end.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#809 » by Parliament10 » Wed Feb 2, 2022 2:16 am

Triple M wrote:Are we in the most of turning it around. The fact we are actually blowing out teams is excellent for a change because, over the last few years, it seemed like every game was within 5 points in the last few minutes only to lose at the end.

We've had 26 Clutch games so far, this year. We're 9-17.



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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#810 » by Fencer reregistered » Wed Feb 2, 2022 6:56 am

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snowman wrote:There are 30 games left in the regular season. For Brown to hit his bonus and push us further into lux tax he will have to play 27 of the 30 games and become an all-star this season. If he hits his bonuses, we will be a little less than 2.8 mil over tax, if he doesn't, we will only be about 850 K.

How many think he will hit his bonuses.

I think that he misses the All-Stars. But, he might make the games, though.


Most of the guys who placed ahead of or close to Jaylen in the voting would probably also be selected ahead of him by the coaches, because of team record -- if healthy, of course.

https://pr.nba.com/voting-results-2022-nba-all-star-game-starters/
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#811 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Feb 2, 2022 9:16 am

Player of the Month for January is Embiid's to lose, but Jays might get consideration...

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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#812 » by snowman » Wed Feb 2, 2022 12:45 pm

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snowman wrote:There are 30 games left in the regular season. For Brown to hit his bonus and push us further into lux tax he will have to play 27 of the 30 games and become an all-star this season. If he hits his bonuses, we will be a little less than 2.8 mil over tax, if he doesn't, we will only be about 850 K.

How many think he will hit his bonuses.

I think that he misses the All-Stars. But, he might make the games, though.


Most of the guys who placed ahead of or close to Jaylen in the voting would probably also be selected ahead of him by the coaches, because of team record -- if healthy, of course.

https://pr.nba.com/voting-results-2022-nba-all-star-game-starters/


We currently are 849,282 over the lux tax threshold. If Brown makes all-star team, then he gets another 1,446,428.00, taking us to 2,295,710 over. If he plays in 65 games, which is very possible, then he makes a 482,143.00 bonus, taking us to 2,777,853. over the threshold. Rounding all this up, 850,000 over now. Allstar puts us 2,296,000, 65 games will put us at 2.78 over. If he doesn't make the all-star, then Boston can assume he is going to play in 65 games and just have to move 1.34 mil at trade deadline to get under tax. Which means we could move Dozier, cash to cover his contract and a 2nd round pick swap to get under the tax. Or, if we had to, a trade of Schroder to the Suns for Jalen Smith straight up does this also.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#813 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Feb 2, 2022 1:27 pm

Its kind of shocking how one of the most storied franchises in the NBA cares so little about Voting for its stars.

Am I saying that Brown deserves to be in over Lavine, no, for more than just talent.
Am I saying he should have more votes than Irving, Rose and Garland??

Yes, 100% should
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#816 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Feb 2, 2022 2:54 pm

Tatum defense sucks, trade him
Smart offense sucks trade him

Brown has interests outside of basketball trade him too.
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Post#817 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Feb 2, 2022 2:56 pm

The few other advanced stats paint a pretty similar picture to the screenshots above. Rob is incredibly impactful, Smart has been way better than people think, they love Jaylen offensively (less so defensively), and Tatum being that level of impactful while shooting 33% from three is scary.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#818 » by steefP2 » Wed Feb 2, 2022 3:03 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:
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So according to this, Tatum has the 2nd worst spacing among the top 10 scorers. Tell us something we don't know. Add to Tatum's own struggles shooting the ball, no wonder Cs starters are ranked 26th in the league in 3FG%.



I find Ja Surprising.

I thought they were a better shooting team than us.



Nah they're team floater. off all the guys that play a lot of minutes, only bane is a really good shooter. Tyus jones is fine but he's backup pg so doesn't share much with JA. Rest is melton, kyle anderson, Jaren Jackson, adams, Clarke. Don't think any of those crack above 35%.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#819 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Feb 2, 2022 3:32 pm

The Comedian wrote:The few other advanced stats paint a pretty similar picture to the screenshots above. Rob is incredibly impactful, Smart has been way better than people think, they love Jaylen offensively (less so defensively), and Tatum being that level of impactful while shooting 33% from three is scary.



I absolutely LOVE the trio of Tatum, Smart and Rob. Just insane how good they all fit, imo.

I really really like Brown being the 4th guy, and am completely loving his fit overally with the other three, but if the right deal presented itself I would be willing to move him.

I just do not know what that deal would be.

Outside of the painfully obvious (Giannis, Durant) I ust dont know

George-No
Kawhi-No
Davis-No
Simmons-Hell No
Beal-No (worse defense, shooting worse, older, contract status)
Kat (Timelord has been great, so not sure the fit or reasoning for it)
Dame-no (Older, contract status, injury?)
Fox-No
Lavine-Yes, (cannot see why he is available unless he refuses to resign in offseason)
Harden-No
Butler-No (age)
Zion (not at this point)
KP (NO)


So that, to me would leave only draft compensation as the logical trade options. And that is a potential step back.

If a top 3 pick because available and Banchero or Smith is on the board and I had thought that Jaylen will ask out then I absolutely make that deal.



If I can get Ivey or to a lesser extent, Smith/Banchero as well as a young piece that fits the trio of Tatum/Smart/Timelord....then I have to think long and hard about that.

(admittedly, I am pretty high on Ivey as an NBA shooting guard)


Lets say Detroit offers a top 3 pick(Ivey) and Saddiq Bey...that is a hard one to say no to.
Another example would be if Houston has the pick and Ivey is on the board I offer Jaylen for Ivey and Sengun,.
Orlando with a pick for Ivey and Wagner
Kings for Barnes and Ivey
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#820 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Feb 2, 2022 3:36 pm

steefP2 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter

So according to this, Tatum has the 2nd worst spacing among the top 10 scorers. Tell us something we don't know. Add to Tatum's own struggles shooting the ball, no wonder Cs starters are ranked 26th in the league in 3FG%.



I find Ja Surprising.

I thought they were a better shooting team than us.



Nah they're team floater. off all the guys that play a lot of minutes, only bane is a really good shooter. Tyus jones is fine but he's backup pg so doesn't share much with JA. Rest is melton, kyle anderson, Jaren Jackson, adams, Clarke. Don't think any of those crack above 35%.



Konchar is dpretty good at it too.

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