OT: NFL Draft Thread

[TerrenceClarke]

From my perspective, the whole thing about systemic racism in white power structures is that, even when they claim to support change, the second the spotlight is turned on them they claim "oh, but not me" and proceed break down their actions into the minutiae in order to prove that "it's definitely real, but not HERE."

That's really the whole point of the system. If you dissect it into small enough, isolated pieces everything can look innocent and people can feel absolved in their actions, their earnings, their workplace, their favorite team, etc. Ross, Mara, et al aren't out here saying, "we'd never hire a n****r" to a black coach's face while laughing and holding a scotch and cigar. For me, the bigger picture tells an undeniable story. Why does this keep happening, yet when pressed there's always "reasons"?

Pretty sure you have seen this photo on Social Media with all Kinds of captions towards black people. Because they the only ones in the room.

[mpharris36]

I don't blame Leftwich for being hesitant either to go into a coaching job he has concerns about the GM situation too because sometimes you only get one shot at this. But to your point I don't think its specifically race related that Leftwich doesn't get to bring his own GM. It just seems like you said the Jags have bad ownership.

Well, it's not just him

Basically everyone we've talked to has said they don't want to work with Baalke

Which is causing a bit of a kerfuffle, cause Shad doesn't want to fire him, and Baalke is trying desperately to find someone who will work with him. So we may be interviewing the Rams' OC cause he'd work with Baalke, but because we're a sh*t show, we didn't interview him when we could, so we can't interview him now until after the Super Bowl

It's such a clear case of Shad needing to just axe the guy, but he won't. He's even said he doesn't want to because he "doesn't feel like" doing a GM search

Which is just ridiculous, but it goes to show why we've only had 1 winning season in the decade since he's taken over. 1 season with more than 6 wins, even.

Well that certainly sounds like a sh*t show. But can't blame any of the HC for not wanting to go into that mess. If they really want Leftwich they should get him and hire a GM that will work well with him. But sounds like Baalke is pretty intrenched there.

[louisorr]

Supposedly the Denver Broncos are for sale. The NFL should buy the team at market value and then sell it to a Black owner or group at less than market value. simple. Be proactive and get this moving. Each of the other 30 owners can share the minor loss of value.

[TerrenceClarke]

Flores on Get Up...

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[TerrenceClarke]

Black Coaches are reaching out to the Lawyers to tell them their stories they said on ESPN. Its about to get Ugly.

Salute to Flores for having the balls to do this.

[DOT]

Well that certainly sounds like a sh*t show. But can't blame any of the HC for not wanting to go into that mess. If they really want Leftwich they should get him and hire a GM that will work well with him. But sounds like Baalke is pretty intrenched there.

What sucks is, reportedly Leftwich wants Jags or nothing

Like, he specifically declined an interview with the Saints (which, given their cap and QB situation, I can kind of understand)

And he's risking a lot to do so. If he goes back to Tampa Bay and they underperform without Brady, he's not gonna be nearly as hot of a coach as he is now, so it could be a long time before he gets another real chance.

[mpharris36]

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More recently, Allen expanded on that thought with this money quote on what Tierney means to the organization: “He’s the most underpaid person working for the Bills, I’ll tell you that. He does so much for this team and this offense.”

“He's been here since day one,” Allen continued. “He's basically Daboll’s right-hand man. He makes all the cut-ups. He makes all the install pages. He runs our scout defense. Just the energy and juice that he brings, too, he's just one of the guys and he loves football. That's what I love about him.

“When he's in our meeting rooms, it's awesome because of the things that he sees. He's been around a lot of really good coaches in the past and he’s been able to kind of take some things from those guys and apply it to what he's doing now. He's still very young, but I think he's got a long, long future in this NFL business.”

[GONYK]

Flores on Get Up...

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I respect him and truly feel for him.

I don't know how this gets resolved but I wish him luck.

[KnixtapeH20]

Supposedly the Denver Broncos are for sale. The NFL should buy the team at market value and then sell it to a Black owner or group at less than market value. simple. Be proactive and get this moving. Each of the other 30 owners can share the minor loss of value.

100% enough of the predominant white owners, it's just bs.

It's like when I used to work security and private security for Jewish businesses/clients. The entire security staff, day care staff, cooking staff, cleaning staff, babysitters... we were all either spanish or black. It's very telling. Why are minorities good enough to protect you, watch your kids, cook for you, help raise your kids and influence them, clean your homes/businesses but nobody of color in the management team.

Met someone amazing truly selfless kindhearted jewish people that really expressed their gratitude for our work and made us feel part of their world, so I don't want my statement getting twisted or misinterpreted.

[Fat Kat]

From my perspective, the whole thing about systemic racism in white power structures is that, even when they claim to support change, the second the spotlight is turned on them they claim "oh, but not me" and proceed break down their actions into the minutiae in order to prove that "it's definitely real, but not HERE."

That's really the whole point of the system. If you dissect it into small enough, isolated pieces everything can look innocent and people can feel absolved in their actions, their earnings, their workplace, their favorite team, etc. Ross, Mara, et al aren't out here saying, "we'd never hire a n****r" to a black coach's face while laughing and holding a scotch and cigar. For me, the bigger picture tells an undeniable story. Why does this keep happening, yet when pressed there's always "reasons"?

Yep, and oppression thrives when it is not named and when it becomes taboo to discuss. This is why folks look to silence conversations like these.

[GONYK]

Flores' attorneys are saying one of the amendments/requirements they are looking to add to the Rooney rule is that there must be a Black or minority decision maker involved in the process of hiring GMs and coaches.

They are going to run into another hurdle of NFL teams not having black decision makers that high up in the organization to begin with.

[TerrenceClarke]

Flores' attorneys are saying one of the amendments/requirements they are looking to add to the Rooney rule is that there must be a Black or minority decision maker involved in the process of hiring GMs and coaches.

They are going to run into another hurdle of NFL teams not having black decision makers that high up in the organization to begin with.

Its a good problem. Cause it will continue to highlights all the areas of change thats needed. I saw some former players even suggesting that some players be involved. In the NBA star players have input on these things, I have never known in the NFL teams would move like that. The NFL is operating in a outdated way.

[mpharris36]

Flores' attorneys are saying one of the amendments/requirements they are looking to add to the Rooney rule is that there must be a Black or minority decision maker involved in the process of hiring GMs and coaches.

They are going to run into another hurdle of NFL teams not having black decision makers that high up in the organization to begin with.

Its a good problem. Cause it will continue to highlights all the areas of change thats needed. I saw some former players even suggesting that some players be involved. In the NBA star players have input on these things, I have never known in the NFL teams would move like that. The NFL is operating in a outdated way.

I mean we are going a little bit far there. I don't want any players with the giants determining the next GM/HC. That isn't there role.

I wouldn't want anyone on the Knicks determining that either. I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule. Like a superstar of LeBron stature that probably has say in certain things like that.

Daniel Jones/Saquan Barkley/Andrew Thomas...who knows if they would be on the team in a year or so let alone having an impact on who is running the franchise.

There needs to be change but that is not very likely IMO.

You can't force someone who owns a billion dollar organization to have certain people in the room they don't want to have in the hiring process.

[TerrenceClarke]

Collin with the Ether toward the Giants....

says alot of the things I been saying. Flores fits the Mold of the Giants winning ways with Parcells and Tom and they still acted like he was not good enough.

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[mpharris36]

all that makes sense. Mara wanted Flores!

[F N 11]

A lot of what Flores is saying is he’s more qualified than Daboll. At the end of the day Shoen wanted his guy.

[mpharris36]

A lot of what Flores is saying is he’s more qualified than Daboll. At the end of the day Shoen wanted his guy.

thats all it was

[blueNorange]

Collin with the Ether toward the Giants....

says alot of the things I been saying. Flores fits the Mold of the Giants winning ways with Parcells and Tom and they still acted like he was not good enough.

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parcells and tom played in a different era where defense was the focal point

it’s one thing to think flores should’ve gotten the job, it’s another to make it seem like daboll isn’t a good hire the way you love making it out to be lol

dabol is a great hire

the giants the past 10 years were stuck in the past, with daboll they’ve entered TODAYS football

[GONYK]

I feel like Flores' own account of the situation shows that the Giants thought he was every bit worthy of serious consideration as Daboll. That's all a hiring process should guarantee. That you are fairly and fully considered.

They considered him fully. They essentially interviewed him 3 times, with the owner's nephew openly stating that he wants Flores to be the coach.

They never told Flores he wasn't good enough. They did choose Brian Daboll. That's not the same thing.

It was Schoen's decision. He had his own rubric based mostly on trust, but probably also on wanting offensive acumen and QB development. Daboll definitely checks those boxes over Flores, even with Flores' impressive resume.

The most interesting thing is that there was a possibility to have Flores as HC with Daboll as OC. I wonder how deeply that was explored.

[TerrenceClarke]

And the Rabbit Hole gets deeper....

Now Boomer Esiason inadvertently exposed how it was a Sham, before the Law Suit even came out. WOW.

Text messages sent by Bill Belichick to Brian Flores seem to be direct proof that the New York Giants violated at least the spirit of the Rooney Rule when hiring Brian Daboll as their new head coach. It seems like we have another smoking gun in the situation.

Boomer Esiason is a host on WFAN, a New York sports radio station. During a sports update on Monday, Esiason mentioned the Giants’ hiring of Daboll.

What’s interesting is that in his report, Esiason said the Giants had offered Daboll the job days before officially announcing him as their new head coach.

“Giants named Brian Daboll as their new head coach Friday. Now he was offered the job earlier in the week but had to wait for the Giants to complete the formal interviewing process,” Esiason said in his update on Monday (1:30 mark).

Keep in mind that Esiason reported this on Monday, a day before Flores’ formal lawsuit was filed on Tuesday.

If Esiason’s information is correct, that makes two people (him and Belichick) who apparently knew the Giants were making Daboll their head coach despite the team still having more interviews to conduct.

Esiason lost some credibility with his ridiculous Aaron Rodgers rumor a few weeks ago, but his report meshes with Belichick’s text messages. Keep in mind, the WFAN discussion about the Giants’ process all came prior to Flores’ filing of his lawsuit.