Blazer Rumors Roundup 2022

[PDXKnight]

I get this sentiment as a fan with no emotional connections to the player as a human, but it's just not very realistic... especially for a player as long-tenured as CJ has been. You need to be delicate with this move so as not to alienate other players (namely Dame). If you just do it cold and heartless, you're bound to damage other player relationships. I think by getting a collection of deals that are all to you liking, then letting CJ have a say is probably your softest landing from the player relationship side of things.

I don’t get this whole delicate stuff. They signed a contract and with no ntc they signed it knowing we could deal them anywhere. As a team it’s portland’s job to maximize assets regardless of how talented or tenured they are

If you're a total **** to all your players and lie to their faces, you're going to ruin relationships with players and their agents. The end result is that you'll get blacklisted as a place agents don't want their players to go to. This isn't really something that should be that weird or hard to comprehend. Just as with any business, there is a very real human relationship aspect to being a GM. Yes, your main goal is to do the best for your team, but included in that is maintaining a good reputation among players and agents in the league.

The simple fact of that matter here is too, as far as I can see, both NOL and NYK could offer strong trade packages for CJ. If they're what is being rumored/reported, I would be fine with either deal. If you have a group of 2-3 competing offers that you value all the same, then what harm does it do letting CJ pick his ultimate destination?

Depends on what we are looking for. If we want to tank the pels offer makes more sense if we wanna try to win next year knicks offer makes a ton of sense

[PDXKnight]

Now i hear randle is a bit of a head case, lots of tantrums. Kinda like the pels offer better on paper

If the knicks do cam and randle together then it’s competitive

[DusterBuster]

Now i hear randle is a bit of a head case, lots of tantrums. Kinda like the pels offer better on paper

If the knicks do cam and randle together then it’s competitive

Cam can’t be added with Randle because of the trade restrictions. It would have to be a convoluted 2 part trade… something like:

First trade: Randle + Noel/Gibson for CJ
Second trade: Reddish for Keon Johnson

Something along those lines, but I don’t hold out much hope for Cronin to be that creative.

Randle’s attitude seems less than desirable. Seems like last year really went to his head and a lot of Knick fans are already pretty soured on him. Maybe playing with Dame could help him tho.

[Dame Lizard]

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If Cronin is dumb enough to trade Norm and Roco for scraps then I guess he’s dumb enough to turn this down.

Yeah, that’s a really solid trade. I would be curious what else is on the table from other teams before I slam Cronin yet…. Certainly not against slamming Cronin, but gonna withhold that until another deal is made.

I’m curious about the fallout over a CJ trade. Nurk flat out said Cronin told him Dame, CJ and himself will not be traded. If he goes back on that promise within weeks of saying it, I have to imagine that’s going to go over poorly in the lockerroom… especially for Nurk. I almost think if they trade CJ, they probably should have a Nurk trade lined up too just to avoid a toxic lockerroom and potentially losing Nurk for nothing because they alienated him by lying. Feels like another potentially rookie mistake by Cronin.

man we better jump on that if it’s there

If cronin turns that down fire him on the spot

Yep, if that rumour is true, and Cronin turns that down. He legitimately needs to be fired on the spot.

That would be an amazing return for CJ, and make up for that absolutely bundled previous trade.

[BlazersBroncos]

Yeah, that’s a really solid trade. I would be curious what else is on the table from other teams before I slam Cronin yet…. Certainly not against slamming Cronin, but gonna withhold that until another deal is made.

I’m curious about the fallout over a CJ trade. Nurk flat out said Cronin told him Dame, CJ and himself will not be traded. If he goes back on that promise within weeks of saying it, I have to imagine that’s going to go over poorly in the lockerroom… especially for Nurk. I almost think if they trade CJ, they probably should have a Nurk trade lined up too just to avoid a toxic lockerroom and potentially losing Nurk for nothing because they alienated him by lying. Feels like another potentially rookie mistake by Cronin.

man we better jump on that if it’s there

If cronin turns that down fire him on the spot

Yep, if that rumour is true, and Cronin turns that down. He legitimately needs to be fired on the spot.

That would be an amazing return for CJ, and make up for that absolutely bundled previous trade.

If CJ is worth that, and Powell was worth nothing basically, I think I will retire from speculating on player value forever. It will shatter my fragile little mind how off I am on value.

[DusterBuster]

Yeah, that’s a really solid trade. I would be curious what else is on the table from other teams before I slam Cronin yet…. Certainly not against slamming Cronin, but gonna withhold that until another deal is made.

I’m curious about the fallout over a CJ trade. Nurk flat out said Cronin told him Dame, CJ and himself will not be traded. If he goes back on that promise within weeks of saying it, I have to imagine that’s going to go over poorly in the lockerroom… especially for Nurk. I almost think if they trade CJ, they probably should have a Nurk trade lined up too just to avoid a toxic lockerroom and potentially losing Nurk for nothing because they alienated him by lying. Feels like another potentially rookie mistake by Cronin.

man we better jump on that if it’s there

If cronin turns that down fire him on the spot

Yep, if that rumour is true, and Cronin turns that down. He legitimately needs to be fired on the spot.

That would be an amazing return for CJ, and make up for that absolutely bundled previous trade.

Nothing will make up for that previous trade unless he is able to retrade Bledsoe’s deal for someone really good or FRPs… then you mighttttt be able to say he salvaged a pretty colossal f-up of a trade. But I’m not holding my breath for that.

[The Sebastian Express]

Okay. So I still don't like the Norm deal. I think we should've gotten more for Norm.

But I have come up for a mild reason his deal may be preferable to Rubio's expiring contract. He isn't guaranteed until after the draft, which means we can still trade him during the draft (where Rubio couldn't be traded) but the team receiving him would only have him on the books for like four mil next year.

That means if we need we can package an 18 million non-guaranteed contract with a high lottery pick possibly.

[BlazersBroncos]

Okay. So I still don't like the Norm deal. I think we should've gotten more for Norm.

But I have come up for a mild reason his deal may be preferable to Rubio's expiring contract. He isn't guaranteed until after the draft, which means we can still trade him during the draft (where Rubio couldn't be traded) but the team receiving him would only have him on the books for like four mil next year.

That means if we need we can package an 18 million non-guaranteed contract with a high lottery pick possibly.

I thought this wasn’t a thing anymore but I’d your info is right it drastically improves the trade IMO.

A contract that can be reduced that much + a lotto pick might have real value.

Might even bring back a guy as good as Norm.

[The Sebastian Express]

Okay. So I still don't like the Norm deal. I think we should've gotten more for Norm.

But I have come up for a mild reason his deal may be preferable to Rubio's expiring contract. He isn't guaranteed until after the draft, which means we can still trade him during the draft (where Rubio couldn't be traded) but the team receiving him would only have him on the books for like four mil next year.

That means if we need we can package an 18 million non-guaranteed contract with a high lottery pick possibly.

I thought this wasn’t a thing anymore but I’d your info is right it drastically improves the trade IMO.

A contract that can be reduced that much + a lotto pick might have real value.

Might even bring back a guy as good as Norm.

I could be wrong, I'll admit. I'll wait for someone like wiz to weigh in.

[HopelessKnick]

I think the rumored Pelicans offer is likely "posturing" to get the Knicks to pony up more assets. I'm figuring the Knicks are looking at Randle for CJ while the Blazers are trying to get Reddish as well. Float a strong Pelicans offer and you may have the always desperate Knicks bite. If the Pelicans offer is true then the Blazers should just take it, depending on pick protection---but still even two picks in the 18-23 range are a solid return at this point.

[The Sebastian Express]

I think the rumored Pelicans offer is likely "posturing" to get the Knicks to pony up more assets. I'm figuring the Knicks are looking at Randle for CJ while the Blazers are trying to get Reddish as well. Float a strong Pelicans offer and you may have the always desperate Knicks bite. If the Pelicans offer is true then the Blazers should just take it, depending on pick protection---but still even two picks in the 18-23 range are a solid return at this point.

There's no way I'm going to convince you that the two extra years on Randle's deal means you should throw in Toppin for a Randle + Toppin for CJ deal and then do a side deal of Winslow for Reddish, is there?

None at all, right?

[HopelessKnick]

I think the rumored Pelicans offer is likely "posturing" to get the Knicks to pony up more assets. I'm figuring the Knicks are looking at Randle for CJ while the Blazers are trying to get Reddish as well. Float a strong Pelicans offer and you may have the always desperate Knicks bite. If the Pelicans offer is true then the Blazers should just take it, depending on pick protection---but still even two picks in the 18-23 range are a solid return at this point.

There's no way I'm going to convince you that the two extra years on Randle's deal means you should throw in Toppin for a Randle + Toppin for CJ deal and then do a side deal of Winslow for Reddish, is there?

None at all, right?

The thing is that from my experience of following the NBA over the last 30 years it'd be highly unlikely that the Knicks would trade away their whole PF rotation and be left with no real PF after the deadline. Obi is also somewhat a fan favorite. I also think it wouldn't really be a fair deal.
I personally think that any team with a true first option would be a good situation for Randle. Right now it may seem that Randle is questionable value with his 4year/117million extension but that is because the Knicks are a complete dysfunctional mess right now. This is Randle's 7th/8th season in the NBA and he has averaged 48% from the field an 33% from 3 along with 75% from the line over 500 career games. Put Randle next to Lillard and you'll see him jump right back to his career % averages and at that point he'll all of a sudden be good value with his contract. At the time he signed that contract many considered it even a bargain. Randle needs a true alpha next to him and Portland has that. He is also just 27 years old and has no glaring hole in his game. On top of that Dame is a PG so Randle does not have to do that point-forward bull where he is only mediocre at.
I think Randle + Reddish would be the absolute maximum the Knicks would pony up---however a Reddish inclusion would kind of be bad optics for our FO. Keep in mind we traded a FRP for him---how does it look if the FO trades a FRP for Reddish, then the guy does not play and then he is traded within weeks. Questionable to say the least. For the Knicks an IQ inclusion would make more sense than Reddish but the majority of Knick fans are against pursuing CJ altogether (because of age and fit). CJ is a very good and proven player, but a trade for him makes more sense for a true playoff team trying to improve (like Cleveland would have made a lot of sense or even Philly).

That all being said, if that Pels offer is true you should take it. I think it is a really good offer for CJ. The only downside is that the Blazers would likely be pretty uncompetitive next year---headed to a true rebuild so a Dame trade may have to follow in the offseason (Or Simons explodes into all-star level of play). However it'd be a tough sell to Dame to give away Powell and CJ for practically nothing of immediate help......but I'm sure the fanbase would welcome that NO trade.

[soobias]

does phili own any picks ? if so which ones ?

[PDXKnight]

does phili own any picks ? if so which ones ?

They own all firsts besides from 25-27 where one of those years their pick will be conveyed if it lands outside of the top 4. Also 23-24 seconds and 27 and beyond

That being said i have a bad feeling in regards to dealing with morey. Seems like He has a record of fleecing teams

[Blazinaway]

I think the rumored Pelicans offer is likely "posturing" to get the Knicks to pony up more assets. I'm figuring the Knicks are looking at Randle for CJ while the Blazers are trying to get Reddish as well. Float a strong Pelicans offer and you may have the always desperate Knicks bite. If the Pelicans offer is true then the Blazers should just take it, depending on pick protection---but still even two picks in the 18-23 range are a solid return at this point.

Agree, that's a fantasy IMO to get that return for CJ. If there is actually an offer like or close to that you take it immediately or you are dumber than chit

[monopoman]

If this team holds onto CJ too long and ends up with an offer that pales in comparison to that I will be so **** annoyed. The Pelicans are offering solid value for a player that could be argued is slightly overpaid, CJ is a good player but he is likely not worth that massive contract he has right now.

Is this team really going to try to stay competitive now and build for the future at the same time because that is far easier said than done.

I also think the trade of Powell and RoCo kind of signifies rebuild, at least somewhat. No way is this team as good on paper next year as they are this year unless we get the #1 pick and he comes in and is ready to play at a high level day 1.

[Dzon Dilindzer]

Elsewhere in Portland, after initial trade conversations, Jusuf Nurkic appears unlikely to be moved, as the veteran center and Trail Blazers brass have mutual interest in agreeing to a new contract this offseason, sources said.

this is according to jake fischer

[Blazer1776]

If this team holds onto CJ too long and ends up with an offer that pales in comparison to that I will be so **** annoyed. The Pelicans are offering solid value for a player that could be argued is slightly overpaid, CJ is a good player but he is likely not worth that massive contract he has right now.

Is this team really going to try to stay competitive now and build for the future at the same time because that is far easier said than done.

I also think the trade of Powell and RoCo kind of signifies rebuild, at least somewhat. No way is this team as good on paper next year as they are this year unless we get the #1 pick and he comes in and is ready to play at a high level day 1.

I think it’s unfair to assume that the report is true. Is the guy who is reporting it even plugged in anywhere? Or have any proof of being plugged in?

[Blazinaway]

If this team holds onto CJ too long and ends up with an offer that pales in comparison to that I will be so **** annoyed. The Pelicans are offering solid value for a player that could be argued is slightly overpaid, CJ is a good player but he is likely not worth that massive contract he has right now.

Is this team really going to try to stay competitive now and build for the future at the same time because that is far easier said than done.

I also think the trade of Powell and RoCo kind of signifies rebuild, at least somewhat. No way is this team as good on paper next year as they are this year unless we get the #1 pick and he comes in and is ready to play at a high level day 1.

I think it’s unfair to assume that the report is true. Is the guy who is reporting it even plugged in anywhere? Or have any proof of being plugged in?

agree, seems lots of stories last few days of "interest in CJ", lots of smoke there IMO as probably trying to inflate value, I really "hope" we could get a deal like that but know its ery unlikely, prepare to be disappointed is the best way to go

[GOBlazers]

Okay. So I still don't like the Norm deal. I think we should've gotten more for Norm.

But I have come up for a mild reason his deal may be preferable to Rubio's expiring contract. He isn't guaranteed until after the draft, which means we can still trade him during the draft (where Rubio couldn't be traded) but the team receiving him would only have him on the books for like four mil next year.

That means if we need we can package an 18 million non-guaranteed contract with a high lottery pick possibly.

I thought this wasn’t a thing anymore but I’d your info is right it drastically improves the trade IMO.

A contract that can be reduced that much + a lotto pick might have real value.

Might even bring back a guy as good as Norm.

I could be wrong, I'll admit. I'll wait for someone like wiz to weigh in.

I believe the decision on fully guaranteeing Bledsoe's contract must be done by 6/29 (before the draft, but after the lottery).

So we can trade Bledsoe in the off-season as a 4 million deal (before 6/29 only), or fully guarantee his contract and trade him as a 19 million deal at anytime during the off season. In both scenarios, his contract could be aggregated with others in a trade.