Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[moss_is_1]

I feel like Monroe’s getting romanticized by Wolves fans. There will be better “break glass in case of emergency” big man options out there. Heck, I’d take Knight getting the Naz deal over Moose. Only problem is Moose’s would be prorated if it’s only for the rest of the season. Knight’s,if signed long term, wouldn’t be.

I think he surprised us, but the reality is he's not a new age big. He can't really shoot, and he's sort of stuck in a tweener role in the new NBA. He's not quick enough to be a 4, and he's a bit undersized to be a 5. He also isn't a great rebounder or defender. I do like him and think his passing would be nice for us, but I'm not too concerned we didn't bring him back. No one else has signed him either, just that 1 other 10 day deal I believe.

[shrink]

Now you have me wanting to do some quick math! The new projections for 2022-23 have the salary cap coming in at around $114, and the lux threshold at $147. If a team isn’t staying under the cap, the next best place to have your team payroll ss about $5 mil under the lux. Your team doesn’t pay lux taxes, and a $140 mil payroll is likely to be more talented than a $110 mil payroll.

The CBA is specifically built to slow down the rapid addition of salaries. If you are over the cap, you can only add salary through exceptions, by signing your own free agents where you have Bird rights, and in trades where you may be able to take on a little more salary than you send out.

Let’s look at MIN, who is right up next to the lux right now. If they do nothing and just let their expiring contracts expire without trading them for longer term salary, they will have a payroll of $106 mil for ten players. How do they add more?

1. They can offer Beverley a new deal or extension with his Bird rights. Let’s say, $10 mil a year for two years, 2nd partially guaranteed.
2. They can sign their 1st round draft pick for about $3
3. They can use the mid-level exception for about $10
4. They can use their Rubio TPE for $5 more.

That would bring us to 14 players and $134 mil payroll. Not bad.

[Nick K]

I liked Monroe too. Milwaukee just signed him.

I think the Bucks only signed him to a 10-day contract, so he likely will be available at the all-star break if the team is willing to give him a regular contract.

Assuming both are available and we still have the same roster would you take Moose over Millsap?

I've been a Milsap guy for years so definitely Paul.

I like Moose too. I've heard those specific criticisms of him but I don't care if he can't shoot from the outside. I love his rebounding and offensive mechanics under the basket. He actually blocks out! As for lateral quickness, He looked adequate to me. He fit in as far as I can tell and played like a veteran. I love the fit for cheap.

[wolves_89]

I think the Bucks only signed him to a 10-day contract, so he likely will be available at the all-star break if the team is willing to give him a regular contract.

Assuming both are available and we still have the same roster would you take Moose over Millsap?

I've been a Milsap guy for years so definitely Paul.

I like Moose too. I've heard those specific criticisms of him but I don't care if he can't shoot from the outside. I love his rebounding and offensive mechanics under the basket. He actually blocks out! As for lateral quickness, He looked adequate to me. He fit in as far as I can tell and played like a veteran. I love the fit for cheap.

I'd probably take Millsap as well, but I'm doubtful the Wolves would be his choice if he gets bought out. I'm hopeful that in a year or two Minnesota will be good enough to get useful bargain free agents and buy out guys, but we're not yet at a point where that is likely to happen.

[Battletrigger]

Now you have me wanting to do some quick math! The new projections for 2022-23 have the salary cap coming in at around $114, and the lux threshold at $147. If a team isn’t staying under the cap, the next best place to have your team payroll ss about $5 mil under the lux. Your team doesn’t pay lux taxes, and a $140 mil payroll is likely to be more talented than a $110 mil payroll.

The CBA is specifically built to slow down the rapid addition of salaries. If you are over the cap, you can only add salary through exceptions, by signing your own free agents where you have Bird rights, and in trades where you may be able to take on a little more salary than you send out.

Let’s look at MIN, who is right up next to the lux right now. If they do nothing and just let their expiring contracts expire without trading them for longer term salary, they will have a payroll of $106 mil for ten players. How do they add more?

1. They can offer Beverley a new deal or extension with his Bird rights. Let’s say, $10 mil a year for two years, 2nd partially guaranteed.
2. They can sign their 1st round draft pick for about $3
3. They can use the mid-level exception for about $10
4. They can use their Rubio TPE for $5 more.

That would bring us to 14 players and $134 mil payroll. Not bad.

To pay 33 yo Beverly 10m years I prefer to pay Smart 15my. I really love Beverly, we own him a lot but with 33 years old and injury prone, man, Gupta has to think this twice.

[minimus]

Two simple trades:

1) Layman, 2nd round pick for Alex Len

2) Okogie, top10 protected 1st round pick, 2nd round pick for Lu Dort

KAT/Reid/Len
Vando/MCD/Prince
Edwards/Dort/MCD
Beverley/Beasley/Bolmaro
DLo/Nowell/JMac

[winforlose]

Two simple trades:

1) Layman, 2nd round pick for Alex Len

2) Okogie, top10 protected 1st round pick, 2nd round pick for Lu Dort

KAT/Reid/Len
Vando/MCD/Prince
Edwards/Dort/MCD
Beverley/Beasley/Bolmaro
DLo/Nowell/JMac

OKC won’t give up Dort, much less for that package. He and SGA are looking like the core for the rebuild.

Correction: I like the Alex Len move, but it doesn’t save as much as I thought. I would call it a decent move assuming we don’t make different moves that I like more.

[shrink]

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I’m posting this here because if Rubio has value as an expiring,. we have many expiring deals as well.

[winforlose]

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I’m posting this here because if Rubio has value as an expiring,. we have many expiring deals as well.

I still maintain Beasley’s contract is an asset instead of a liability. Say we trade him to a non playoff team in a rebuild (Indy for example,) then they move him on draft night as an expiring for one or two players on bad deal/deals alongside draft capital. Beasley can still be useful next year to whoever takes him, and Indy gains picks that are useful and bad contracts that will likely be expiring by the time they are ready to finish the rebuild. Sell those expiring contracts for a role player you like on the other end and you profit from both deals.

[winforlose]

Worth looking at.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-james-harden-ben-simmons-caris-levert-collin-sexton-malik-beasley-thaddeus-young/

If true and Malik = a 1st, add our first we have the ammo in 3 team deal to target who we want. The question is who is willing to give a first for Beasley? The only 2 teams I could see being willing to risk it don’t have firsts to deal (Lakers and Nets.)

[PerkinsFor3]

[Scotto] Malik Beasley available for a 1st. Taurean Prince + 2nd for Thad Young discussed between Wolves/Spurs

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-james-harden-ben-simmons-caris-levert-collin-sexton-malik-beasley-thaddeus-young/

[shrink]

[Scotto] Malik Beasley available for a 1st. Taurean Prince + 2nd for Thad Young discussed between Wolves/Spurs

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-james-harden-ben-simmons-caris-levert-collin-sexton-malik-beasley-thaddeus-young/

I like Thad Young, but I imagine this news is a little old, now that Prince is shooting 39.2% from three.

I’d be surprised if we trades Beasley and got a 1st. I know many teams need three point shooting, particularly us, but Malik’s slow shooting start to the season is a big deal, since he doesn’t provide much value in other areas. In addition, and new team that trades for him will have the media being up his legal issues from almost two years ago.

[life_saver]

Beasley's 3 pt % for the season is now upto 35.2%. His career average is 38%. His 3 pt shooting so far this season might have taken a dip but I don't think it's anything worrying..every player has seasons like this where there shooting averages take a slight dip. Also, lot of good catch and shoot guys have seen a dip in their 3 pt shooting this season. Which is why I don't think Beasley's contract is bad. He has 1 more year remaining on the contract at $15M (with 2023-24 being team option)...for a high volume 3 pt shooter whose career 3pt % is 38%, that's not a bad contract imo.

[Nick K]

Assuming both are available and we still have the same roster would you take Moose over Millsap?

I've been a Milsap guy for years so definitely Paul.

I like Moose too. I've heard those specific criticisms of him but I don't care if he can't shoot from the outside. I love his rebounding and offensive mechanics under the basket. He actually blocks out! As for lateral quickness, He looked adequate to me. He fit in as far as I can tell and played like a veteran. I love the fit for cheap.

I'd probably take Millsap as well, but I'm doubtful the Wolves would be his choice if he gets bought out. I'm hopeful that in a year or two Minnesota will be good enough to get useful bargain free agents and buy out guys, but we're not yet at a point where that is likely to happen.

Yep, the word is he didn't want to come here before last season but we're getting better and everybody sees that. I'd love to have him but I'n not holding my breath.

[NebWolvesFan]

Scotto has hit on a couple of Wolves rumors in the past. He isn't bad. He's also East Coast based, so I wonder if the Beasley stuff relates to a team like the Knicks. I wonder if Minnesota is looking at sending Beasley to the Knicks for their Dallas first. I'm starting to think that Beasley's final game with Minnesota will take place in SacTown

[shrink]

Beasley's 3 pt % for the season is now upto 35.2%. His career average is 38%. His 3 pt shooting so far this season might have taken a dip but I don't think it's anything worrying..every player has seasons like this where there shooting averages take a slight dip. Also, lot of good catch and shoot guys have seen a dip in their 3 pt shooting this season. Which is why I don't think Beasley's contract is bad. He has 1 more year remaining on the contract at $15M (with 2023-24 being team option)...for a high volume 3 pt shooter whose career 3pt % is 38%, that's not a bad contract imo.

Good points, and I agree. I don’t think he is a bad contract, since three point shooting is so valuable in today’s NBA.

I just don’t think his contract is so good that you could get a 1st for it.

[life_saver]

Beasley's 3 pt % for the season is now upto 35.2%. His career average is 38%. His 3 pt shooting so far this season might have taken a dip but I don't think it's anything worrying..every player has seasons like this where there shooting averages take a slight dip. Also, lot of good catch and shoot guys have seen a dip in their 3 pt shooting this season. Which is why I don't think Beasley's contract is bad. He has 1 more year remaining on the contract at $15M (with 2023-24 being team option)...for a high volume 3 pt shooter whose career 3pt % is 38%, that's not a bad contract imo.

Good points, and I agree. I don’t think he is a bad contract, since three point shooting is so valuable in today’s NBA.

I just don’t think his contract is so good that you could get a 1st for it.

I am not saying he is a great contract but he certainly isn't a bad contract who will be hard to get rid of. Heck..at this point, I would probably prefer Wolves to keep him. He is definitely worth a FRP for a title contending team that lacks good perimeter shooting.

[wolves_89]

I'm wondering if Gupta is feeling a bit more pressure to upgrade the current roster since two of the teams (Clippers and Pelicans) directly behind the Wolves in the standings have gotten significantly better in the last few days.

[Note30]

Blazers blowing it up... GET Dame and Nurkic and Little if you can.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Blazers blowing it up... GET Dame and Nurkic and Little if you can.

Dames in his 30s making 49MILLION at age 35


Ahh hard pass


Plus he’s injured