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Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2

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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#641 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:45 am

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thebuzzardman wrote:Can absolutely see a future where the Knicks:

Sign Brunson
Got Mo Bamba
Lose Mitch
Trade Cam

It's so Knicks. It's the CAA Orlando Knicks All Stars

Definitely. And like with Randle and Jeremy Lin before, we’d quickly find out that Brunson has been outplaying his ceiling this year and will in an instant come crashing down to earth without Luka by his side.


I factor in the Luka effect for Brunson. I think he can be decent without him. There's enough evidence as though they'll play together, he also runs the team when Luka is off the floor. It's a positive sign he does well in both scenarios.

Again, I don't think Brunson is great, but I think he's a solid move IF it were to happen, but that's theoretical.

I added him with the above, because it's kind of the tread water, boring stuff the Knicks do, where it's Cam out, but Brunson in, Mitch out, Mo Bamba in (instead of having both) etc
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#642 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:45 am

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spree2kawhi wrote:You’re spot-on, but I think it’s even a little worse than that. Reddish can actually play, I watched him and Some others in Atl, especially Huerter, closely.

We’re moving in the wrong direction yet again. Dare I say it: I’d rather have Reddish as our Swiss-army-knife, talented and athletically gifted SF with room to grow, than Brunson at all. He’s a homeless man’s FVV who is doing merely okay as a too small point guard where actually Luka freaking Doncic runs point. Brunson = Charly Ward. FOH with this sort of direction.

Imagining a team of Brunson and Randle makes me want to throw up. This is as boring and underwhelming as it could possibly get.


If this is the best they could come up with their plan must be to sabotage the team. Can’t think of any fan in his or her right mind thinking this is a good trade. Who would want to watch that **** show? Brunson is a poor man’s Chris Childs and he’s the master plan? GTFOH!


Brunson is good. He's not awesome, but he's good.
This isn't the "master plan"
I hate this FO as much as anyone, but is it THAT tragic if a #1 pick got turned into another #1 pick and Burks and Noel got turned into earlier cap space and 2 2nd rounders?

I'm not going to get into some long argument over the benefits of tanking vs incremental building.
I'd rather tank
I advocated HARD for tanking for YEARS. Full Hinke. Before and after the draft rule changes, all of them.
But there is a path to get better without doing that.
Mostly, the Knicks FO just sucks, because they never hire well so they are always turning it over every 2.5 years and replacing it ith more suck

In a vacuum, the trade could be Burks and Noel for 2 2nds and cap space.
That's not so terrible. It's not specifically good, but it's not terrible.

Fair enough. I really understand what you’re saying and you probably agree that it still feels like children building sandcastles by the sea.
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#643 » by Reign23 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:49 am

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that would be awesome tbh
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#644 » by Reign23 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:51 am

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This is just so stupid. I really can’t believe it. Why gift the Lakers such talent? Even if we get picks back, we just traded a first for Reddish and he’s such a talent himself, too.

why should we care about the lakers if we move 3 for 1 AND get some picks. that opens up a little cap space too.
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#645 » by Juco24 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:56 am

Worst_to_First wrote:I’d rather fire Tim Thibodeau than trade Cam lol but oh well.


Definitely agree
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#646 » by HopelessKnick » Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:57 am

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This is why I like this trade:

1) It shows the utter dysfunction between the FO and coaching staff. It is now blatantly obvious that there is a mjaor dysfunction between them.

2) It publically reveals the utter stupidity of Leon Rose. It is like a public confession: "Hi knick fans. This is Leon Rose and yes I'm as stupid as ****. Please forgive me but I'm just an imbecile that convinced a man even more stupid than me giving me a position I have no business holding and I hired a pitiful human being (Rosas) to help me out of this mess. Of course we are all hiding our wives atm but it is what it is."

3) I can root even harder for Cam Reddish now because he may help us out on the Lakers much more than he could have done under Thibs the imbecile as a knick. Think about it: If Reddish helps the Lakers in any capacity (and he does play next to two great players) and has a great start to next season in a contract year wanting to prove himself while he couldn't get any minutes under Thibs and Leon traded for him and had to trade him again: Well neither Thibs nor Leon would survivr the type of **** they'd be facing by next year's deadline.

If this trade happens, we are essentially a great 3-4 month stretch of Reddish play away from being rid of Leon and Thibs. I like how this is shaping up. You know Reddish would get tons of open looks and opportunities next to Lebron.
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#647 » by Juco24 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:00 am

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Somehow I hope we can get Flynn, if this rumor is true
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#648 » by Adelheid » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:02 am

the moment they were put on the trading block, is the knicks officially admitting they screwed up offseason
and are now in repair mode. hiring an outside consultant even to help fix the team
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#649 » by HopelessKnick » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:03 am

Ah and while I'm at it: Damper your expectations on the "draft pick" compensation. I doubt the Lakers are stupid enough to trade a 27 FRP (without HEAVY protections) and the Raptors sure as **** won't deal a FRP for Noel and THT---we are talking Masaj Ujiri here guys.....not Leon the moron Rose. It will be a 2nd rounder from Toronto and likely 2 2nd rounder from the Lakers. Maybe due to the fact that the Lakers get two deals with one year remaining for THT and they may be high enough on Reddish to trade a FRP (heavily protected: like top 20 protected in 27; top 20 protected in 28; lottery protected in 29 and then it turns into 2 2nd rounders).
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#650 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:09 am

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spree2kawhi wrote:
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This is just so stupid. I really can’t believe it. Why gift the Lakers such talent? Even if we get picks back, we just traded a first for Reddish and he’s such a talent himself, too.

why should we care about the lakers if we move 3 for 1 AND get some picks. that opens up a little cap space too.

Which picks do you think we’re getting. Let’s not fool ourselves. LA don’t have any picks and Toronto won’t offer any at all if their return is going to be THT and Noel.
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#651 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:09 am

I don't know what is worse.

- The moves that the Knicks did not make.
- The moves that the Knicks might make.
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#652 » by Mr.Tease » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:10 am

HopelessKnick wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
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This is why I like this trade:

1) It shows the utter dysfunction between the FO and coaching staff. It is now blatantly obvious that there is a mjaor dysfunction between them.

2) It publically reveals the utter stupidity of Leon Rose. It is like a public confession: "Hi knick fans. This is Leon Rose and yes I'm as stupid as ****. Please forgive me but I'm just an imbecile that convinced a man even more stupid than me giving me a position I have no business holding and I hired a pitiful human being (Rosas) to help me out of this mess. Of course we are all hiding our wives atm but it is what it is."

3) I can root even harder for Cam Reddish now because he may help us out on the Lakers much more than he could have done under Thibs the imbecile as a knick. Think about it: If Reddish helps the Lakers in any capacity (and he does play next to two great players) and has a great start to next season in a contract year wanting to prove himself while he couldn't get any minutes under Thibs and Leon traded for him and had to trade him again: Well neither Thibs nor Leon would survivr the type of **** they'd be facing by next year's deadline.

If this trade happens, we are essentially a great 3-4 month stretch of Reddish play away from being rid of Leon and Thibs. I like how this is shaping up. You know Reddish would get tons of open looks and opportunities next to Lebron.


Think you're missing the point in the Cam trade if this was to happen.

I think the logic was:

Trade the pretty well protected Charlotte 1st round pick (top 18 protected or whatever), for Cam, with the intention of then flipping him at the deadline for something better than the pick you gave up.

So in the Lakers/Toronto scenario, we could end up dumping the salaries of Burke and Noel (freeing up space to sign Brunson in the offseason), plus getting back maybe the Lakers 2027 (which may be more valuable if it has less protections than the Charlotte pick had), plus maybe a 1st or some 2nds from the Raptors. So essentially you've change one first into a better first, plus gained either another first or second round pick, plus dumped salary, all for basically holding onto Cam for a week or two.

This is the kind of stuff Brock does (remember that first draft where we somehow turned a pick into a higher pick for somehow nothing? Or when we took on that Utah F for a pick in a salary dump, then flipped him to the Twolves for another second rounder or two?). Maybe this was in the works for a while and explains the Lakers Knicks deal from a few weeks ago where we helped them out cutting a little salary)

Plus the Mavs want Dragic and he wants a buyout to sign with them, so maybe you work something out for brunson using that, as in this deal we'd then be able to show the Mavs we can sign Brunson in the offseason outright.

Doubt it happens, but I think that would be the logic behind it
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#653 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:15 am

spree2kawhi wrote:
Reign23 wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:This is just so stupid. I really can’t believe it. Why gift the Lakers such talent? Even if we get picks back, we just traded a first for Reddish and he’s such a talent himself, too.

why should we care about the lakers if we move 3 for 1 AND get some picks. that opens up a little cap space too.

Which picks do you think we’re getting. Let’s not fool ourselves. LA don’t have any picks and Toronto won’t offer any at all if their return is going to be THT and Noel.


LA would move that 2027 pick.

They are all the way in for 'chip in the LeBron years. Maybe it happens. I don't care either way.
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#654 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:16 am

Of course the Knicks are interested in Cole Anthony.

Out of 68 NBA players who average over 32 minutes per game (> 30 games played), RJ ranks 5th worst, Randle 6th worst, Cole 7th worst in scoring efficiency :lol:

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Post#655 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:16 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:I don't know what is worse.

- The moves that the Knicks did not make.
- The moves that the Knicks might make.


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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#656 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:17 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:Of course the Knicks are interested in Cole Anthony.

Out of 68 NBA players who average over 32 minutes per game, RJ ranks 5th worst, Randle 6th worst, Cole 7th worst in scoring efficiency :lol:


Where is their interest indicated?
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Post#657 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:18 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:I don't know what is worse.

- The moves that the Knicks did not make.
- The moves that the Knicks might make.


You don't even like Reddish or Noel, what's the big deal.

Oh. Da Gawd Burks is in it. Condolences. :D
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#658 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:32 am

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:lol: If we trade Cam for Dragic and a trash pick all I can do is laugh
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Re: Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2 

Post#659 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:33 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:I don't know what is worse.

- The moves that the Knicks did not make.
- The moves that the Knicks might make.


You don't even like Reddish or Noel, what's the big deal.

Oh. Da Gawd Burks is in it. Condolences. :D

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Post#660 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:34 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
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:lol: If we trade Cam for Dragic and a trash pick all I can do is laugh

For some reason this reminded me of Cam on Soap Opera

Looking back on school, art and crafts
**** half the staff, beat up half the class
I was like Dr. Dre, though, I have to laugh
NWA, meet me after math

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