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duetta wrote:Sign me up for that three-way trade however it will have to be made (probably with separate deals since Reddish cannot be traded with other players). Let's just clear out the junk and create minutes for everyone else.
thebuzzardman wrote:Jimmit79 wrote:**** the lakers if they think they can get rotation player for 2nd rounder.Reign23 wrote:fwiw:
The Los Angeles Lakers, New York Knicks, and Toronto Raptors discussed a three-team trade at length Wednesday night into Thursday morning. The framework would send Cam Reddish and Alec Burks to the Lakers, Goran Dragic and draft pick compensation to the Knicks, and Talen Horton-Tucker and Nerlens Noel to the Raptors, league sources told HoopsHype. Kendrick Nunn was also mentioned as a potential addition to the trade talks, sources said.
With New York trading away three rotation players in the proposal, one potential hangup in the trade discussion centers on the draft pick compensation for the Knicks. Toronto discussed sending a first-round pick, and the Lakers discussed sending a second-round pick to the Knicks, HoopsHype has learned. As conversations continued, the Knicks sought additional draft compensation.
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Burks isn't that special. He's ok. He was fine in the 6th/7th man role for the Knicks. Anything more, it's bad. How valuable is that, really? Lots of teams have a Burks or better. Maybe several.
He was particularly nice when he was an actual competent player, on a cheap 1 year deal. It was representative to me, at the time, that the FO could scout out decent players, and not vastly overpay, and even have them on a bargain 1 year deal.
Of course, all those good feelings went out the window when they re-upped Rose for 2 guaranteed years, Fournier for 3 years, Burks and Noel for 2 years, and gave Taj any money at all. And the kicker - two years for totally washed Kemba, both an overpay AND bad pro player scouting. Though the same is true for Fournier.
Burks is meh. If the 2nd rounder is decent, which is hard to say, that's ok.
Basically, it sucks the Knicks didn't have better players to move who could bring back actual value.
Buttah304 wrote:The other aspect about the Halliburton deal that’s disappointing is that there is no way this front office is simply sending Randle out for contracts that are much shorter. Even if they don’t get back the value they believe, they can’t see that it’s best for the team to move on both in the short and long term.
You just know that Leon and his cronies are going to sit there and say that Randle just lead us to our first playoff in 7 years, averaged 24-11-6 and was 2nd Team ALL NBA. If Sabonis can net Tyrese, then Randle can do the same if not better.
This is not taking into account that Sabonis:
-Is two years younger
-His contract is much less of a financial burden ($19 million to $28 million)
-He appears to be a better teammate and easier to coach with a much better attitude
-Other worldly more efficient (64.6% TS to 51.4%)
-More unselfish with less of a “I gotta get mine” mentality
-Puts up the same, if not better numbers than Randle yet his usage rate is 22% compared to Randles 27.5%
If people really believe we could have received Halliburton for Randle-IQ-2023 Unprotected 1st and 2 Seconds that’s fine. But I don’t see that as something Kings leadership would ever have accepted.
Buttah304 wrote:The other aspect about the Halliburton deal that’s disappointing is that there is no way this front office is simply sending Randle out for contracts that are much shorter. Even if they don’t get back the value they believe, they can’t see that it’s best for the team to move on both in the short and long term.
You just know that Leon and his cronies are going to sit there and say that Randle just lead us to our first playoff in 7 years, averaged 24-11-6 and was 2nd Team ALL NBA. If Sabonis can net Tyrese, then Randle can do the same if not better.
This is not taking into account that Sabonis:
-Is two years younger
-His contract is much less of a financial burden ($19 million to $28 million)
-He appears to be a better teammate and easier to coach with a much better attitude
-Other worldly more efficient (64.6% TS to 51.4%)
-More unselfish with less of a “I gotta get mine” mentality
-Puts up the same, if not better numbers than Randle yet his usage rate is 22% compared to Randles 27.5%
If people really believe we could have received Halliburton for Randle-IQ-2023 Unprotected 1st and 2 Seconds that’s fine. But I don’t see that as something Kings leadership would ever have accepted.
Chanel Bomber wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Jimmit79 wrote:**** the lakers if they think they can get rotation player for 2nd rounder.
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Burks isn't that special. He's ok. He was fine in the 6th/7th man role for the Knicks. Anything more, it's bad. How valuable is that, really? Lots of teams have a Burks or better. Maybe several.
He was particularly nice when he was an actual competent player, on a cheap 1 year deal. It was representative to me, at the time, that the FO could scout out decent players, and not vastly overpay, and even have them on a bargain 1 year deal.
Of course, all those good feelings went out the window when they re-upped Rose for 2 guaranteed years, Fournier for 3 years, Burks and Noel for 2 years, and gave Taj any money at all. And the kicker - two years for totally washed Kemba, both an overpay AND bad pro player scouting. Though the same is true for Fournier.
Burks is meh. If the 2nd rounder is decent, which is hard to say, that's ok.
Basically, it sucks the Knicks didn't have better players to move who could bring back actual value.
The best play would've been to offer Rose $40 million for two years with a team option for the second year. Rose gets his guaranteed $20 million as a reward for his contribution last year, and the Knicks maintain cap flexibility for the summer of 2022. Make the same offer to Bullock.
Burks is a folk hero for the brightest minds, but he was redundent with IQ as this bench scorer and shot creator. He played very well in his bench role to start the year before he was inserted into the starting line-up, but the Knicks didn't need to resign him to begin with.
I thought keeping Burks was an overreaction to the narrative that the Knicks lacked shot creators against the Hawks, which was true to some extent, but which I thought was completely overrated in comparison with Thibs's refusal to go small and/or the lack of a stretch big.
thebuzzardman wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:
Burks isn't that special. He's ok. He was fine in the 6th/7th man role for the Knicks. Anything more, it's bad. How valuable is that, really? Lots of teams have a Burks or better. Maybe several.
He was particularly nice when he was an actual competent player, on a cheap 1 year deal. It was representative to me, at the time, that the FO could scout out decent players, and not vastly overpay, and even have them on a bargain 1 year deal.
Of course, all those good feelings went out the window when they re-upped Rose for 2 guaranteed years, Fournier for 3 years, Burks and Noel for 2 years, and gave Taj any money at all. And the kicker - two years for totally washed Kemba, both an overpay AND bad pro player scouting. Though the same is true for Fournier.
Burks is meh. If the 2nd rounder is decent, which is hard to say, that's ok.
Basically, it sucks the Knicks didn't have better players to move who could bring back actual value.
The best play would've been to offer Rose $40 million for two years with a team option for the second year. Rose gets his guaranteed $20 million as a reward for his contribution last year, and the Knicks maintain cap flexibility for the summer of 2022. Make the same offer to Bullock.
Burks is a folk hero for the brightest minds, but he was redundent with IQ as this bench scorer and shot creator. He played very well in his bench role to start the year before he was inserted into the starting line-up, but the Knicks didn't need to resign him to begin with.
I thought keeping Burks was an overreaction to the narrative that the Knicks lacked shot creators against the Hawks, which was true to some extent, but which I thought was completely overrated in comparison with Thibs's refusal to go small and/or the lack of a stretch big.
Best bet would be to be unsentimental to Rose and Taj and give them a big FU, see you later, and not give into Thibs demands for his ballwashing vets.
Instead the Knicks signed Rose and doubled down with Walker, tying up 24 million a year for two years in over the hill PG's.
And yeah, Rose played great last year, but what were the odds it was going to hold up? Well, guess what. It didn't.
20 million. Yeah, gtfo.
thebuzzardman wrote:By the way, if the Knicks were to move Burks for a 2nd rounder, I'm in way optimistic or this makes me think any higher of the FO in anyway. They suck, full stop.
If you are a tank advocate, removing Burks should make you happy, because although he's been mostly trash as a starter, in true Knicksian fashion, he shows out every now and then and gets them wins that f*ck up their draft position. Of course, it's too late already, but moving Burks might represent an extra loss or two, particularly with RJ about to miss some games.
ADeP7 wrote:This makes no sense unless the Knicks netted 2 1sts between lakers and raptors
You gave up a 1st for reddish and you could dump burks for a 2nd if you just needed to clear his cap. He’s not an asset but he’s not untradeable. So why trade for cam to turn around and trade him 3 weeks later
ADeP7 wrote:This makes no sense unless the Knicks netted 2 1sts between lakers and raptors
You gave up a 1st for reddish and you could dump burks for a 2nd if you just needed to clear his cap. He’s not an asset but he’s not untradeable. So why trade for cam to turn around and trade him 3 weeks later
