Trade Deadline thread: Nada... Nothing... Zip... WTF

[Kilroy]

Schroeder, Monk, Westbrook, LeBron, Davis is something I'd like to see.

I want Westbrook to start on the bench or be used as a wing defender. He's strong enough to defend wings full time but lacks the agility to defend point guards full time now.

THT with his length, youth and instincts will probably always be a better wing defender than Westbrook, no matter how 'locked-in' RW gets... I see people say THT sucks at defense, but I don't know what they're watching and whatever it is, Westbrook is far worse..

We can't have both LeBron and Westbrook watching plays on D, which is what we've had all season with the starting lineup, but if RW committed, I'd be fine with him staying in the SL...

Otherwise, even if we got Schroder, I think we go with whoever is shooting better/THT/LeBron/Johnson/AD... In a perfect world, with his ability to hit 3s in volume, I'd start Ellington... I like Monk, but he can be a black hole, he's not a solid passer, and his defense isn't very good... When he's draining 3s, he's a monster, when he's not, he's kind of a negative... I like him though...
Ellington does not hesitate, has a lightning fast release, and seems to not miss if he's 'on'... I trust him taking 3s over just about anyone on the team... Defensively, he's about like Monk though...
Maybe Nunn can rotate in when he gets back, or maybe we can get Gary Harris who killed us a couple times with his shooting...

I thing a reg season bench of Westbrook, Howard, Melo, Monk or Ellington or Nunn depending on who's shooting best, and Ariza doesn't suck...

[Kilroy]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265807/Source-Refutes-Rob-Pelinka-Claim-He-Consulted-LeBron-James-Anthony-Davis-On-Deadline-Plans

So now AD and LeBron are saying Pelinka didn't consult them about standing pat... Sounds like maybe they REALLY wanted Westbrook gone and were willing to give up the Pick and take back Wall...

Because that's the only obvious move we had available to us.

That would have been supremely stupid and would have made a horrible situation even worse... So **** LeBron and AD on that one...

And props to Pelinka for freezing out stupidity. I hope this signals a shift in approach going forward, away from Klutch Komplete Access..

[LAKESHOW]

It's all Late in the Game. The Big Move was acquiring Westbrook in the 1st place. Now its all a blame game. But weve gotta get outta that. Right now, Man Up, head to the Buy Out and fix it. Because I'm slamming all of em, for gettin us here to begin with

[zimpy27]

Schroeder, Monk, Westbrook, LeBron, Davis is something I'd like to see.

I want Westbrook to start on the bench or be used as a wing defender. He's strong enough to defend wings full time but lacks the agility to defend point guards full time now.

THT with his length, youth and instincts will probably always be a better wing defender than Westbrook, no matter how 'locked-in' RW gets... I see people say THT sucks at defense, but I don't know what they're watching and whatever it is, Westbrook is far worse..

We can't have both LeBron and Westbrook watching plays on D, which is what we've had all season with the starting lineup, but if RW committed, I'd be fine with him staying in the SL...

Otherwise, even if we got Schroder, I think we go with whoever is shooting better/THT/LeBron/Johnson/AD... In a perfect world, with his ability to hit 3s in volume, I'd start Ellington... I like Monk, but he can be a black hole, he's not a solid passer, and his defense isn't very good... When he's draining 3s, he's a monster, when he's not, he's kind of a negative... I like him though...
Ellington does not hesitate, has a lightning fast release, and seems to not miss if he's 'on'... I trust him taking 3s over just about anyone on the team... Defensively, he's about like Monk though...
Maybe Nunn can rotate in when he gets back, or maybe we can get Gary Harris who killed us a couple times with his shooting...

I thing a reg season bench of Westbrook, Howard, Melo, Monk or Ellington or Nunn depending on who's shooting best, and Ariza doesn't suck...

Yeah I was annoyed at THT at start of season. He looked bad, I think he has a terrible contract, not just the price but the fact that he as a PO. However, THT is a good defender and he's been doing a lot of glue guy things on defense like boxing out. I think he's underrated now so I'm glad he was kept. Main concern now with THT is offense as he doesn't play well offball, he doesn't set enough screens, doesn't cut enough. He isn't so useful with two other playmakers on the floor (Westbrook+Bron). But he's getting better on this end. He needs to be part of the rotation somewhere. Maybe Schroeder wouldn't fit for same reason.

I like Monk over Ellington because I think Monk is more active on rebounds and defense. Monk is better defensively than he looks I think because of his athleticism.

I really like Gary Harris, he would be ideal for this team. He can be a POA defender.

Harris, Reaves, THT, LeBron, Davis
Bradley, Monk, Westbrook, Johnson, Melo

[slifersd]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265807/Source-Refutes-Rob-Pelinka-Claim-He-Consulted-LeBron-James-Anthony-Davis-On-Deadline-Plans

So now AD and LeBron are saying Pelinka didn't consult them about standing pat... Sounds like maybe they REALLY wanted Westbrook gone and were willing to give up the Pick and take back Wall...

Because that's the only obvious move we had available to us.

That would have been supremely stupid and would have made a horrible situation even worse... So **** LeBron and AD on that one...

And props to Pelinka for freezing out stupidity. I hope this signals a shift in approach going forward, away from Klutch Komplete Access..

What on god's green earth made the klutch boys think they are entitled to dictate how this team is run? It is one thing for us to respect their opinion but quite another to hand the team off to them and let them do whatever they want with it. In the last two years, LeBron had wanted Schroeder and Russ. We all know how well those moves worked out and how far those two trades set us back. If that's not evidence enough that LeBron and Klutch aren't smart enough to run an NBA team, I don't know what will.

Our front office and ownership spoiled LeBron too much. We were so desperate to return to relevance that we sold our soul to Klutch and now they feel like they own the damned team. Well, enough of that. We are falling back to irrelevance quickly and hae no reason to kiss their behind any more. It's time we take back control of the franchise and do what's best for the team, not for Klutch. If Lebron and AD have a problem with that, go fetch us some good trade offers and GTFO.

[Beethoven]

i have a feelin this 2022 season is an M Night Shyamalan directed season , a deep deep strategy employed by Pelinka to get us a 45 million dollar superstar or stars traded for his expiring next season. Bam . Championship.

What a move if that was the case. Put one whole season the line to get us to the top the following next season.

I wish this is the case.

[kblo247]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265807/Source-Refutes-Rob-Pelinka-Claim-He-Consulted-LeBron-James-Anthony-Davis-On-Deadline-Plans

So now AD and LeBron are saying Pelinka didn't consult them about standing pat... Sounds like maybe they REALLY wanted Westbrook gone and were willing to give up the Pick and take back Wall...

Because that's the only obvious move we had available to us.

That would have been supremely stupid and would have made a horrible situation even worse... So **** LeBron and AD on that one...

And props to Pelinka for freezing out stupidity. I hope this signals a shift in approach going forward, away from Klutch Komplete Access..

It depends to be honest. If Windy is to be believed the pick and Tucker were going out and Wood was coming back with Wall. If that’s true, then AD and Bron were right because Wood is better than Tucker and fills most their needed boxes. He can score, he can rebound, and he provides spacing while sliding AD and Bron back down to their spots.

[kblo247]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265807/Source-Refutes-Rob-Pelinka-Claim-He-Consulted-LeBron-James-Anthony-Davis-On-Deadline-Plans

So now AD and LeBron are saying Pelinka didn't consult them about standing pat... Sounds like maybe they REALLY wanted Westbrook gone and were willing to give up the Pick and take back Wall...

Because that's the only obvious move we had available to us.

That would have been supremely stupid and would have made a horrible situation even worse... So **** LeBron and AD on that one...

And props to Pelinka for freezing out stupidity. I hope this signals a shift in approach going forward, away from Klutch Komplete Access..

What on god's green earth made the klutch boys think they are entitled to dictate how this team is run? It is one thing for us to respect their opinion but quite another to hand the team off to them and let them do whatever they want with it. In the last two years, LeBron had wanted Schroeder and Russ. We all know how well those moves worked out and how far those two trades set us back. If that's not evidence enough that LeBron and Klutch aren't smart enough to run an NBA team, I don't know what will.

Our front office and ownership spoiled LeBron too much. We were so desperate to return to relevance that we sold our soul to Klutch and now they feel like they own the damned team. Well, enough of that. We are falling back to irrelevance quickly and hae no reason to kiss their behind any more. It's time we take back control of the franchise and do what's best for the team, not for Klutch. If Lebron and AD have a problem with that, go fetch us some good trade offers and GTFO.

Dennis didn’t work that badly. Green wanted out, it’s what happens when fans start sending him and his wife death threats repeatedly for missing a shot. Dennis still with AD and Bron out most the year kept the team over 500, kept them with a top rated defense that Frank liked, and he put them in a much better position than Russ has. They were even up in game 4 to AD got hurt on Phoenix and had been clowning them

They need to be bitch slapped for the Russ trade. And it’s not even because Buddy has been that great. It’s because in the scenario of you get Hield, KCP is still on this team and they have a reliable three point shooter. Frank has a guy who get in every perimeter attack players ass, runs through every pick, and the defense isn’t an open lane anymore like Russ who rather watch for his rebound stats. You can then retain Caruso and Tucker. You can add Monk and Melo, still draft Reeves, and they are a better team.

Hell right now KCP and Kuzma would fit this team better. Kuzma in place of Ariza, Stanley, and so on is an upgrade. And it’s a **** travesty that Reeves got to close with AD and Bron. That Tucker, Ariza, and Stanley get to start with them. Yet Kuzma never got that **** opportunity in 2 years despite being a producing starter his whole career before Lebrun, with Lebrun, when one of those two were out, and in Washington. Instead frank had a hard on for bringing Kuz off the bench for them and limiting his minutes and shots. But this **** year had you kept him and started him, your rebounding, scoring, defense on the perimeter is better too.

So yeah you can keep Kuzma and KCP, start both in the spots Bradley, Arica, Johnson have been given and you are better. Hell you can add Monk and Melo to them off the bench and you’re way better.

You can add Hield and keep KCP and you would be better.

You could have even picked Caruso over Tucker and not signed Nunn, and use that money elsewhere and be better. He’ll Dennis people came out and said the Lakers weren’t receptive of him staying this summer to back up Russ either when they asked but they called Boston trying to trade for him to fit what Frank wants at the deadline. **** me

[kblo247]

Schroeder, Monk, Westbrook, LeBron, Davis is something I'd like to see.

I want Westbrook to start on the bench or be used as a wing defender. He's strong enough to defend wings full time but lacks the agility to defend point guards full time now.

THT with his length, youth and instincts will probably always be a better wing defender than Westbrook, no matter how 'locked-in' RW gets... I see people say THT sucks at defense, but I don't know what they're watching and whatever it is, Westbrook is far worse..

We can't have both LeBron and Westbrook watching plays on D, which is what we've had all season with the starting lineup, but if RW committed, I'd be fine with him staying in the SL...

Otherwise, even if we got Schroder, I think we go with whoever is shooting better/THT/LeBron/Johnson/AD... In a perfect world, with his ability to hit 3s in volume, I'd start Ellington... I like Monk, but he can be a black hole, he's not a solid passer, and his defense isn't very good... When he's draining 3s, he's a monster, when he's not, he's kind of a negative... I like him though...
Ellington does not hesitate, has a lightning fast release, and seems to not miss if he's 'on'... I trust him taking 3s over just about anyone on the team... Defensively, he's about like Monk though...
Maybe Nunn can rotate in when he gets back, or maybe we can get Gary Harris who killed us a couple times with his shooting...

I thing a reg season bench of Westbrook, Howard, Melo, Monk or Ellington or Nunn depending on who's shooting best, and Ariza doesn't suck...

Russ sucks at the individual and team aspects of D.

Tucker sucks at the team aspect of it and got yelled at and pointed out where he would mess up a lot last year by KCP, Kuz, Kieff, and other guys as he gets lost on where to rotate, switch, help. One on one though he sticks to his man. It’s just he has no concept of team defense even now. And when they tried to start him this year, Bron and AD were yelling at him about not doing stuff right. I empanadas Reeves looks like a season vet in comparison to Tucker in the team concept and it’s crazy with all the nba minutes, g league minutes, and players and tools given to tucker to improve

[tamaraw08]

I hope we at least get dudes like Gary Harris and Schröder on the buyout market. They won’t make a massive difference but it at least solidifies the defense again with dudes willing to make the hard rotations on every possession.

Schroeder. Aw what the hell, what do we got to lose.

Just FYI, we had a PG who just played 33 mins for 17 pts on 7 shots, 7 rebs, 6assists , +10 tonight. But Okay he’s not good enough to play here even though he played great for us before. Oh well

[stan francisco]

I hope we at least get dudes like Gary Harris and Schröder on the buyout market. They won’t make a massive difference but it at least solidifies the defense again with dudes willing to make the hard rotations on every possession.

I agree we need defensive guards. Don’t know about G Harris, but…

What Schroeder brings on defense, which is basically only individual man defense, he negates on offense. No thanks because he’s detrimental to the ball moving, like Westbrook he plays 1-5 bouncy ball.

[zimpy27]

I hope we at least get dudes like Gary Harris and Schröder on the buyout market. They won’t make a massive difference but it at least solidifies the defense again with dudes willing to make the hard rotations on every possession.

I agree we need defensive guards. Don’t know about G Harris, but…

What Schroeder brings on defense, which is basically only individual man defense, he negates on offense. No thanks because he’s detrimental to the ball moving, like Westbrook he plays 1-5 bouncy ball.

I'm nervous about the idea of Schroeder again too. But Bradley has the worst impact stats on the team and he has to play because of Vogels system. Schroeder is an easy way to improve the team by simply taking over Bradley's role and we don't have to see the guy again.

Offensively I'm a little scared to see Schroeder/Westbrook guard pairing.. They'd put a lot of driving pressure on defenses and the passing on the team would be crazy. But they could also.get in each other's way all lot.

[stan francisco]

When the play-in starts, the following players will up their games significantly: Melo, Bradley, Ariza, Howard, LeBron, AD. They’re vets and can’t be expected to play full force in game 50. #NunnWillBalanceOurDefense

[zuju]

When the play-in starts, the following players will up their games significantly: Melo, Bradley, Ariza, Howard, LeBron, AD. They’re vets and can’t be expected to play full force in game 50. #NunnWillBalanceOurDefense

It looks like Ariza is slower than DJ which will not change anytime
How Melo up his game, his defense sucks
Howard has no chance to step on court. No way he can up his game when he couldn't even find time on court on the first place.

[Kilroy]

When the play-in starts, the following players will up their games significantly: Melo, Bradley, Ariza, Howard, LeBron, AD. They’re vets and can’t be expected to play full force in game 50. #NunnWillBalanceOurDefense

It looks like Ariza is slower than DJ which will not change anytime
How Melo up his game, his defense sucks
Howard has no chance to step on court. No way he can up his game when he couldn't even find time on court on the first place.

Howard's dealing with a gimpy back right now... He'll play in the playoffs...
Melo can be a volume scorer in the first 3 quarters... For whatever reason, he makes stupid mistakes in the 4th, and generally goes cold...
Ariza is smarter, but I'll take Johnson over him... That said, Ariza adds value in certain situations...

[slifersd]

When the play-in starts, the following players will up their games significantly: Melo, Bradley, Ariza, Howard, LeBron, AD. They’re vets and can’t be expected to play full force in game 50. #NunnWillBalanceOurDefense

We have to get into the play in first lol. Dont look now, but Portland, New Orleans and even Sacramento are starting to win some games. meanwhile, we are not beating anyone right now. That 3 game lead is going to evaporate pretty soon and we might be in a dog fight to even get to the play in.

[Kilroy]

So there are all these stories now still saying "Lakers would have had to convince Houston" to do the Westbrook/Wall swap...

It's pure comedy... Westbrook plays, Wall doesn't and even when he did (post injury) Westbrook was better...

As much as I want Westbrook gone, I would have lost it if we had traded him and a pick for John Wall... Even a pick swap would have pissed me off...
So silver-lining found...

[zimpy27]

So there are all these stories now still saying "Lakers would have had to convince Houston" to do the Westbrook/Wall swap...

It's pure comedy... Westbrook plays, Wall doesn't and even when he did (post injury) Westbrook was better...

As much as I want Westbrook gone, I would have lost it if we had traded him and a pick for John Wall... Even a pick swap would have pissed me off...
So silver-lining found...

I would've been fine with an SRP at the most

[Kilroy]

So there are all these stories now still saying "Lakers would have had to convince Houston" to do the Westbrook/Wall swap...

It's pure comedy... Westbrook plays, Wall doesn't and even when he did (post injury) Westbrook was better...

As much as I want Westbrook gone, I would have lost it if we had traded him and a pick for John Wall... Even a pick swap would have pissed me off...
So silver-lining found...

I would've been fine with an SRP at the most

From houston...

[Slava]

Houston didn’t even do anything to improve their leverage by pumping Wall up for the first half of the season until the trade deadline. Asking compensation for a swap at that point would be playing a hand they never had.