DeMar DeRozan will be an eventual HOF’er

[ImSlower]

no he will be waived in chicago.

OOPS

Well, the downfall here was taking this poster seriously. You just can’t. Period. Especially when it comes to matters related to the Bulls.

Was my only Ignore for years, but I think he's the most quoted person on the GB, so I still get many a laugh out of the spit takes.

[a8bil]

DeRozan making the HOF would be a joke, IMO. He made 4 AS appearances because he played in a weak Eastern Conference. He likely would not have sniffed the AS roster had he played in the Western conference all those years. By pretty much every metric he's only slightly better than CJ Mccullom, who has never been voted into the AS game. DeRozan is not and has never been an HOF caliber player.

Was Mitch Richmond a HOF caliber player?

I say yes...but I don't think the bar from HOF entry is or should be much lower than Richmond. It's a good question if you are trying to draw parallels in their careers. They both toiled somewhat on marginal teams for portions of their career, which may have detracted from both of their All Star game appearances. That said, I view All NBA recognition as far more important...as do most fans. What Mitch had going for him was that he was a respected defensive player. For most of his career, DeRozan's been viewed as a negative-impact defender. That alone separates them pretty broadly. Mitch also played at a time when player efficiency was much lower than it is today. Yet, almost every year of his career he was .02-.04 above the league avg. in TS%. Whereas, Derozan has been at or below league avg almost every year, until the last three. Mitch was an efficient offensive player. I will say the last 3 seasons have been a bit of a revelation for Derozan. He's raised his TS% by almost .04% which is really unheard of for a player in the league as long as he's been. If not for these past 3 years, my view is that DD's career is more comparable to Monta Ellis than anyone else.

[ElectricMayhem]

Is the title of this thread insinuating that DeRozan is not yet an eventual hall of famer, but he will be an eventual hall of famer eventually? I'm trying to work out how you become an eventual something without currently being one.

[a8bil]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

[JRoy]

He has no case for HOF.

[Dan Z]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

I agree with you that nobody looked at Monta Ellis as a hall of fame player and I have no idea if DeRozan will make it. But they're two different players and you can't just exclude the last three for DeMar. Also, Monta was 31 years old during his last season in the NBA. DeRozan is 32 years old right now and arguably having his best season. Some players continue to be productive in their 30's. Look at Chris Paul right now. Or Steve Nash when he was playing.

[HoopsterJones]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

This is a poor argument. Players are considered for the HOF based on their entire basketball career. You can’t just say well based on aggregate stats accumulated these 9 years here, they shouldn’t make the HOF.

[bearadonisdna]

At his trajectory he is very likely to get in the hall .
How can be people be so hard line against it ? He is currently a top 10 player right which any given year is a hof caliber season.

Likely his body of work topped by his career scoring totals will clinch it. For perspective he is only 600 points away from curry while being 1 year younger and basically identical fg%.

People want to drag him down about playoffs but Lebron ruled the east for a decade . And demar averages 21.9 ppg in the playoffs not exactly A no show

[CIN-C-STAR]

At his trajectory he is very likely to get in the hall .
How can be people be so hard line against it ? He is currently a top 10 player right which any given year is a hof caliber season.

Likely his body of work topped by his career scoring totals will clinch it. For perspective he is only 600 points away from curry while being 1 year younger and basically identical fg%.

People want to drag him down about playoffs but Lebron ruled the east for a decade . And demar averages 21.9 ppg in the playoffs not exactly A no show

Confirmation bias.
People crapped on him for years as a low-efficiency, high-volume chucker who choked in the playoffs to boot. Some of that was deserved but it was also exaggerated.
Then he got better but those people didn't want to recognize it because that might make them look wrong. Humans are notorious for being unable to change their minds even when presented with new information.
It's VERY hard to change a narrative, but I'm glad he's on a good team now and being given the chance to shine. He seems like a very genuine dude and, imo, one of the more fun players in the league to watch.

[Ell Curry]

Feels like he needs a finals appearance.

[Betta Bulleavit]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

So basically, if you take away the fact that he’s a five time all-star, and you shorten Derozan’s career so that it’s a comparable sample to Monta Ellis, what you’d have is Monta Ellis. Cool.

[Ambrose]

I would say it's tough but not impossible. If he ends this year All NBA 1st Team, snags a 3rd team next year, and gets two more all star appearances after that (with a decent postseason run) he'd have a solid shot. 8 All Stars, 2 All NBA's and 25,000+ is good stuff. That's a lot left to do post age 32 though.

[DroseReturnChi]

At his trajectory he is very likely to get in the hall .
How can be people be so hard line against it ? He is currently a top 10 player right which any given year is a hof caliber season.

because ur a homer he was like this entire toronto yr and you didnt give a crap like i did. this is like gs fans saying wiggins a star after calling him out a bust. 1great season doesnt make you hof unless you get a ring and chill the seasons not even over yet.
you could petition the owner to retire his jersey i dont care but making him hof is another story you cant manufacture fake stars.

[Infinite Llamas]

I would say it's tough but not impossible. If he ends this year All NBA 1st Team, snags a 3rd team next year, and gets two more all star appearances after that (with a decent postseason run) he'd have a solid shot. 8 All Stars, 2 All NBA's and 25,000+ is good stuff. That's a lot left to do post age 32 though.

I mean, Tracy McGrady had zero playoff success and worse career stats than DeRozan. All that McGrady has over him is a better peak and more All NBA selections at this point.

I think DeRozan needs two more all NBA seasons and 25k and that should be enough

[FreeThrowLine]

I don't see it, then again I'd take at least 50% of the people out of it

[a8bil]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

This is a poor argument. Players are considered for the HOF based on their entire basketball career. You can’t just say well based on aggregate stats accumulated these 9 years here, they shouldn’t make the HOF.

Come on...I fully agree that you can't ignore a player's entire body of work (I for one think Frank Gore should make the PF HOF), but when you set aside the last 3 years of DD's career, it looks awfully lot like Monta Ellis..which is not a slight, it's just reality that he was not putting together an HOF career. Tack on the last 3 years to ME's career would you say that changes everything and ME should be in the HOF? My answer is no. DD's career is not over, however, and he could very well put on several more years like this. If he does, he can make the HOF discussion very interesting.

[a8bil]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

So basically, if you take away the fact that he’s a five time all-star, and you shorten Derozan’s career so that it’s a comparable sample to Monta Ellis, what you’d have is Monta Ellis. Cool.

Don't be dumb...9 years is almost an entire career for most players. Even with these two, it cuts out only their rookie year (which for most players not named Lebron is just spot work), and for DD cuts out the Covid bubble years. The point is that he had a very prolonged period of play comparable to a player who has 0% chance to make the HOF. That doesn't mean DD has 0% chance as well, and these last 3 seasons are making an impression, but it's going to take more than 3 bizarre, COVID impacted years to change a good NBA career into an HOF career, IMO.

[HoopsterJones]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

This is a poor argument. Players are considered for the HOF based on their entire basketball career. You can’t just say well based on aggregate stats accumulated these 9 years here, they shouldn’t make the HOF.

Come on...I fully agree that you can't ignore a player's entire body of work (I for one think Frank Gore should make the PF HOF), but when you set aside the last 3 years of DD's career, it looks awfully lot like Monta Ellis..which is not a slight, it's just reality that he was not putting together an HOF career. Tack on the last 3 years to ME's career would you say that changes everything and ME should be in the HOF? My answer is no. DD's career is not over, however, and he could very well put on several more years like this. If he does, he make the HOF discussion very interesting.

Demar has a stronger resume than Monta Ellis. He is currently at 19.2k+ points. Barring major injury, he could reach 25k points in 3-4 more seasons. If he reaches that, he’d be top 25-30 (depending on where other active players finish) on the all time list. Every NBA player with 21k+ total points are in or will be in the HOF as of right now.

[bearadonisdna]

At his trajectory he is very likely to get in the hall .
How can be people be so hard line against it ? He is currently a top 10 player right which any given year is a hof caliber season.

because ur a homer he was like this entire toronto yr and you didnt give a crap like i did. this is like gs fans saying wiggins a star after calling him out a bust. 1great season doesnt make you hof unless you get a ring and chill the seasons not even over yet.
you could petition the owner to retire his jersey i dont care but making him hof is another story you cant manufacture fake stars.

He was like this 2 years in Toronto . An all star starter . More years like that prove elite play and hof worthy . You say I’m a homer but I don’t make up stats or false narrative like you bro .

[Betta Bulleavit]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

So basically, if you take away the fact that he’s a five time all-star, and you shorten Derozan’s career so that it’s a comparable sample to Monta Ellis, what you’d have is Monta Ellis. Cool.

Don't be dumb...9 years is almost an entire career for most players. Even with these two, it cuts out only their rookie year (which for most players not named Lebron is just spot work), and for DD cuts out the Covid bubble years. The point is that he had a very prolonged period of play comparable to a player who has 0% chance to make the HOF. That doesn't mean DD has 0% chance as well, and these last 3 seasons are making an impression, but it's going to take more than 3 bizarre, COVID impacted years to change a good NBA career into an HOF career, IMO.

I’m not being “dumb” at all. I made a very simple assertion based on your very flawed logic. While I don’t disagree with the idea that a few good seasons doesn’t make a HOF career, I do disagree (strongly) with the comparison to Ellis because Ellis simply did not have the resume that Derozan has nor was he ever considered to be in the same class as Derozan, despite what your stats might say.

There’s a reason that Ellis was out of the league as early as he was while DeMar is in prime form with seemingly plenty left in the tank. They aren’t similar, which is what you seem to want us to believe. I think there are a number of good arguments that could be made as to why DeMar won’t be a HOFer. This just doesn’t happen to be one of them.