Other Playoff Series

[bwgood77]

Don't know why anyone would be surprised at Jalen's production, given what he did for us this season. I'm nothing but happy for him. I got no regrets, really. We got Craig for two years and Holiday's QO. Holiday was the 17th pick a few seasons ago and there's an awful lot to like about him.

James Jones might not nail the draft ever year, but the man has a talent for squeezing value from nothing. He somehow managed to turn a penny and a nickel into two dimes this deadline. I hope Jalen gets paid this summer (not by Indy, lol) and becomes a star. F'ing love it.

Yeah, I'm not surprised with Jalen either. I'm not entirely sure I'd call him a nickel if Holiday and Craig are dimes though. Craig is a decent player hustle guy and Holiday an ok young guy but Jalen is a nice cheap asset on a 2nd year. Of course he was not worth anything not having picked up his option since he could leave, so in that respect, he was more like a nickel (if that) for us.

Had we picked up Jalen's option, I'd rather have him than Craig for sure.

Jalen's a nickel in my analogy because there's only 26 games left and whomever holds his contract won't be able to re-sign him, in all likelihood. Whereas Craig is a valuable 2-year deal and Holiday's QO could hold value going forward if he performs as we hope.

I was just talking about the deadline moves, not the decision not to extend Jalen.

Holiday's QO seems awfully expensive to me, especially if you didn't pick up Jalen's. Holiday's is more (significantly more if you consider the tax implications). I'd rather Craig's was expiring.

[bwgood77]

Yeah, I'm not surprised with Jalen either. I'm not entirely sure I'd call him a nickel if Holiday and Craig are dimes though. Craig is a decent player hustle guy and Holiday an ok young guy but Jalen is a nice cheap asset on a 2nd year. Of course he was not worth anything not having picked up his option since he could leave, so in that respect, he was more like a nickel (if that) for us.

Had we picked up Jalen's option, I'd rather have him than Craig for sure.

Jalen's a nickel in my analogy because there's only 26 games left and whomever holds his contract won't be able to re-sign him, in all likelihood. Whereas Craig is a valuable 2-year deal and Holiday's QO could hold value going forward if he performs as we hope.

I was just talking about the deadline moves, not the decision not to extend Jalen.

This is how it should be viewed. Not extending Smith is a separate deal and worthy of debate but once that move was made Jalen was done here.

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I agree that it shouldn't be considered which was why I mentioned my sentence at the end of the paragraph. Of course there was some specuation that we might try and keep him if we gave him minutes, but it was unlikely that a) we would give him enough minutes and b) he would stay anyway, so year, might as well use it.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Holiday's QO seems awfully expensive to me, especially if you didn't pick up Jalen's. Holiday's is more (significantly more if you consider the tax implications).

I don't have a good sense of Holiday's value. He's been on bad teams this season and last, and I don't think he's been in the best position to succeed. The biggest thing is that Smith had no role to play with this team that I could envision, either this year or next. Whereas our backcourt has been weak, and I could see Holiday stepping into a significant role if he plays well. Balances well with our other guards with his size, strength, athleticism and shooting. And he's looked pretty good in the few minutes he's played so far.

As for the lux tax, I suspect our future firsts might have to be sacrificed to move a contract or two at some point. Or maybe Sarver tries to buy some public forgiveness by opening the wallet.

[bwgood77]

Holiday's QO seems awfully expensive to me, especially if you didn't pick up Jalen's. Holiday's is more (significantly more if you consider the tax implications).

I don't have a good sense of Holiday's value. He's been on bad teams this season and last, and I don't think he's been in the best position to succeed. The biggest thing is that Smith had no role to play with this team that I could envision, either this year or next. Whereas our backcourt has been weak, and I could see Holiday stepping into a significant role if he plays well. Balances well with our other guards with his size, strength, athleticism and shooting. And he's looked pretty good in the few minutes he's played so far.

As for the lux tax, I suspect our future firsts might have to be sacrificed to move a contract or two at some point. Or maybe Sarver tries to buy some public forgiveness by opening the wallet.

Yeah, all possibilities. Ultimately I doesn't seem to me Holiday would even make more per year than what his QO is. And once you offer it I don't know that you can pay less.

Of course if we do S&T Ayton and take back significantly less, than it won't be a big deal to keep the rest of our guys and Holiday, so we won't have to worry about it.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Holiday's salary + luxury tax would cost around $20m per season.

[Bogyo]

Seems like refs have a good memory. They know that Jalen was a Sun, so they quickly fouled him out in 16 minutes against the Bucks . - too bad I'm only half joking.

He did OK nevertheless. Good for him.

[lilfishi22]

11/7/3ast and shooting 3 for 5 from range is pretty good aside from fouling out in 17min and going 1 for 4 from 2PT range.

[RunDogGun]

How the heck didn't Harden's agent not file the opt in with Philly in time?

[Bogyo]

How the heck didn't Harden's agent not file the opt in with Philly in time?

I wouldn't touch Harden with a 10 foot pole. Forcing himself off 2 teams in 1 year, and then not picking up an option like this on a legit contender... Shows me he can only be intrested in himself, his stats or his partying and eating himself out of the league.

[lilfishi22]

How the heck didn't Harden's agent not file the opt in with Philly in time?

I read the story thinking his agent (through Harden) pulled a sneaky and chose to "accidently" not file in time. The original trade story I believe was that he agreed to opt in as part of the trade which is good for Philly but after the story came out that he didn't opt in, I thought it was because he didn't want to be tied down here just in case it doesn't work out AND he could get a fat extension earlier. Basically by not filing the opt-in, he now has all the leverage.

Would it be a risk if he sucked and wasn't worth the $47m he is due next season? Yes but it's probably a small risk because he's still James Harden and if it means he has to "settle" for a $200m extension as opposed to the full fat $220m+. I also think having Morey back on his side means he has more power to get a bigger extension than he deserves.

[RunDogGun]

How the heck didn't Harden's agent not file the opt in with Philly in time?

I read the story thinking his agent (through Harden) pulled a sneaky and chose to "accidently" not file in time. The original trade story I believe was that he agreed to opt in as part of the trade which is good for Philly but after the story came out that he didn't opt in, I thought it was because he didn't want to be tied down here just in case it doesn't work out AND he could get a fat extension earlier. Basically by not filing the opt-in, he now has all the leverage.

Would it be a risk if he sucked and wasn't worth the $47m he is due next season? Yes but it's probably a small risk because he's still James Harden and if it means he has to "settle" for a $200m extension as opposed to the full fat $220m+. I also think having Morey back on his side means he has more power to get a bigger extension than he deserves.

It is strange. I can't imagine someone walking away from $47 million, with a risk of an injury that could keep him off the court and a future payday. Most people just dream of winning even half that and being set for life.

In the end, he is an ASU guy, so I hope the best for him until he plays us, then I hope he loses so badly he cries a little bit after the game.

[Revived]

How the heck didn't Harden's agent not file the opt in with Philly in time?

I read the story thinking his agent (through Harden) pulled a sneaky and chose to "accidently" not file in time. The original trade story I believe was that he agreed to opt in as part of the trade which is good for Philly but after the story came out that he didn't opt in, I thought it was because he didn't want to be tied down here just in case it doesn't work out AND he could get a fat extension earlier. Basically by not filing the opt-in, he now has all the leverage.

Would it be a risk if he sucked and wasn't worth the $47m he is due next season? Yes but it's probably a small risk because he's still James Harden and if it means he has to "settle" for a $200m extension as opposed to the full fat $220m+. I also think having Morey back on his side means he has more power to get a bigger extension than he deserves.

It is strange. I can't imagine someone walking away from $47 million, with a risk of an injury that could keep him off the court and a future payday. Most people just dream of winning even half that and being set for life.

In the end, he is an ASU guy, so I hope the best for him until he plays us, then I hope he loses so badly he cries a little bit after the game.

He can still opt-in in the off season iirc.

[RunDogGun]

I read the story thinking his agent (through Harden) pulled a sneaky and chose to "accidently" not file in time. The original trade story I believe was that he agreed to opt in as part of the trade which is good for Philly but after the story came out that he didn't opt in, I thought it was because he didn't want to be tied down here just in case it doesn't work out AND he could get a fat extension earlier. Basically by not filing the opt-in, he now has all the leverage.

Would it be a risk if he sucked and wasn't worth the $47m he is due next season? Yes but it's probably a small risk because he's still James Harden and if it means he has to "settle" for a $200m extension as opposed to the full fat $220m+. I also think having Morey back on his side means he has more power to get a bigger extension than he deserves.

It is strange. I can't imagine someone walking away from $47 million, with a risk of an injury that could keep him off the court and a future payday. Most people just dream of winning even half that and being set for life.

In the end, he is an ASU guy, so I hope the best for him until he plays us, then I hope he loses so badly he cries a little bit after the game.

He can still opt-in in the off season iirc.

Got ya, I just thought since he missed "the deadline", he had less options.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Does harden actually have an agent? I thought I had read somewhere that he didn't.

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[lilfishi22]

I read the story thinking his agent (through Harden) pulled a sneaky and chose to "accidently" not file in time. The original trade story I believe was that he agreed to opt in as part of the trade which is good for Philly but after the story came out that he didn't opt in, I thought it was because he didn't want to be tied down here just in case it doesn't work out AND he could get a fat extension earlier. Basically by not filing the opt-in, he now has all the leverage.

Would it be a risk if he sucked and wasn't worth the $47m he is due next season? Yes but it's probably a small risk because he's still James Harden and if it means he has to "settle" for a $200m extension as opposed to the full fat $220m+. I also think having Morey back on his side means he has more power to get a bigger extension than he deserves.

It is strange. I can't imagine someone walking away from $47 million, with a risk of an injury that could keep him off the court and a future payday. Most people just dream of winning even half that and being set for life.

In the end, he is an ASU guy, so I hope the best for him until he plays us, then I hope he loses so badly he cries a little bit after the game.

He can still opt-in in the off season iirc.

Correvt but the point is that it's not a foregone conlcusion that he'll be with the team next season as he did not opt-in. But then again, we're talking about Harden

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/32434621/james-harden-opting-not-sign-extension-brooklyn-nets-deadline-says-plan-leaving
Oct 20, 2021
James Harden did not sign an extension prior to the midnight deadline on Oct. 18, but he made it clear the Brooklyn Nets have "nothing to worry about."

Harden said not to read anything negative into his decision to pass on an extension before the deadline.

"Honestly, I'm just focused on getting healthy, getting my body right and then preparing for a great season," Harden said after recording 20 points, 8 rebounds and 8 assists in the Nets' 127-104 season-opening loss to the Milwaukee Bucks. "The contract, the money is going to be there.

"I don't plan on leaving this organization and the situation that we have. So my focus, honestly, is just focus on the season and then winning the championship. The contract and all that stuff will bear itself out, but my focus is going to be locked on this season."

[RunDogGun]

Does harden actually have an agent? I thought I had read somewhere that he didn't.

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https://landonbuford.com/2021/08/23/james-harden-changes-agents-per-report/

[lilfishi22]

Does harden actually have an agent? I thought I had read somewhere that he didn't.

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I don't think he has an NBA agent. He has a business manager who I assume helps him with agent stuff until he gets an actual agent

[Revived]

It is strange. I can't imagine someone walking away from $47 million, with a risk of an injury that could keep him off the court and a future payday. Most people just dream of winning even half that and being set for life.

In the end, he is an ASU guy, so I hope the best for him until he plays us, then I hope he loses so badly he cries a little bit after the game.

He can still opt-in in the off season iirc.

Correvt but the point is that it's not a foregone conlcusion that he'll be with the team next season as he did not opt-in. But then again, we're talking about Harden

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/32434621/james-harden-opting-not-sign-extension-brooklyn-nets-deadline-says-plan-leaving
Oct 20, 2021
James Harden did not sign an extension prior to the midnight deadline on Oct. 18, but he made it clear the Brooklyn Nets have "nothing to worry about."

Harden said not to read anything negative into his decision to pass on an extension before the deadline.

"Honestly, I'm just focused on getting healthy, getting my body right and then preparing for a great season," Harden said after recording 20 points, 8 rebounds and 8 assists in the Nets' 127-104 season-opening loss to the Milwaukee Bucks. "The contract, the money is going to be there.

"I don't plan on leaving this organization and the situation that we have. So my focus, honestly, is just focus on the season and then winning the championship. The contract and all that stuff will bear itself out, but my focus is going to be locked on this season."

Oh yeah he certainly has the flexibility now if he wants to leave, he can leave. But I was responding to the comment about “walking away from $47 million” due to risk of injury. He can get injured this season and still opt in (in the off-season) to cash in on that $47 million for next season.

[lilfishi22]

He can still opt-in in the off season iirc.

Correvt but the point is that it's not a foregone conlcusion that he'll be with the team next season as he did not opt-in. But then again, we're talking about Harden

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/32434621/james-harden-opting-not-sign-extension-brooklyn-nets-deadline-says-plan-leaving
Oct 20, 2021
James Harden did not sign an extension prior to the midnight deadline on Oct. 18, but he made it clear the Brooklyn Nets have "nothing to worry about."

Harden said not to read anything negative into his decision to pass on an extension before the deadline.

"Honestly, I'm just focused on getting healthy, getting my body right and then preparing for a great season," Harden said after recording 20 points, 8 rebounds and 8 assists in the Nets' 127-104 season-opening loss to the Milwaukee Bucks. "The contract, the money is going to be there.

"I don't plan on leaving this organization and the situation that we have. So my focus, honestly, is just focus on the season and then winning the championship. The contract and all that stuff will bear itself out, but my focus is going to be locked on this season."

Oh yeah he certainly has the flexibility now if he wants to leave, he can leave. But I was responding to the comment about “walking away from $47 million” due to risk of injury. He can get injured this season and still opt in (in the off-season) to cash in on that $47 million for next season.

Yeah that's a good point. Didn't consider that. He has even more leverage

[WeekapaugGroove]

Does harden actually have an agent? I thought I had read somewhere that he didn't.

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I don't think he has an NBA agent. He has a business manager who I assume helps him with agent stuff until he gets an actual agent

Makes sense. Some of the max contract type guys go this route because there isn't much negotiation to their contracts so they don't want to pay a full agent fee. I think Ray Allen was one of the first to start doing this.

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