Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[Los_29]

Remember when Pooh Jeter was on here arguing that Suggs had a higher ceiling than Barnes lol

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I don’t know about Pooh but I argued that while Barnes might have a higher ceiling it would be much harder to achieve compared to Suggs due to the nature of their skill set and what’s needed. But that ended up being wrong because Barnes has already showed he’s better than Suggs and that he has the work ethic and skill to become great.

At FSU we just weren’t seeing a lot of it in action. Night of the draft is was panic time but I just gave the front office the benefit and then once the summer league started it became no question he was gonna be a stud, he was showing things we never saw beforehand.

You are lying. You said Barnes has no superstar potential. Plus you said the best case scenario for barnes was the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

Yeah I remember this as well. It was unfortunate seeing the hate Scottie was getting.

Prime example of why people should trust Masai and not go off YouTube highlight reels.

[HKBOY]

Someone has already mentioned it here. I think his game (court vision, passing and post moves) is starting to look a lot like a young Chris Webber and Webber in his prime was a legitimate 1A option.

[HumbleRen]

Someone has already mentioned it here. I think his game (court vision, passing and post moves) is starting to look a lot like a young Chris Webber and Webber is his prime years was a legitimate 1A option.

Yessir, was me. A more mobile Chris Webber.

Their shot diet is almost the exact same.

[Mehar]

Nice to see Scottie Barnes averaging 15.0 PPG. He has not reached that feat, since about the first week or so of the NBA season. He has proved everyone wrong, including myself with his solid play overall. I was in the camp of getting Suggs with the pick last year, and Barnes has exceeded my expectations up to this point. The 2021 NBA Draft will go down as an excellent one, looking back years from now.

[DreamTeam09]

Someone has already mentioned it here. I think his game (court vision, passing and post moves) is starting to look a lot like a young Chris Webber and Webber is his prime years was a legitimate 1A option.

Yessir, was me. A more mobile Chris Webber.

Their shot diet is almost the exact same.

Barnes is a 3/4/5 hybrid and he's only a 5 on our team. Any other team and he wouldn't sniff time at the 5.

Webber is a 4/5 big man.

Barnes has way more SF ability than Cwebb ever did.

[Clay Davis]

I don't think he's a bust, but I also don't think he will live up to the expectation of the #5 pick in one of the most loaded draft of the decade. I suspect he's going to carve out a Marcus Smart like career, a solid role player who can contribute towards winning basketball but lacks the offensive skills to be a legitimate star PG.

Remember when Pooh Jeter was on here arguing that Suggs had a higher ceiling than Barnes lol

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How recently was he making that argument?

Recently enough to be embarrassed about it.

[HumbleRen]

Someone has already mentioned it here. I think his game (court vision, passing and post moves) is starting to look a lot like a young Chris Webber and Webber is his prime years was a legitimate 1A option.

Yessir, was me. A more mobile Chris Webber.

Their shot diet is almost the exact same.

Barnes is a 3/4/5 hybrid and he's only a 5 on our team. Any other team and he wouldn't sniff time at the 5.

Webber is a 4/5 big man.

Barnes has way more SF ability than Cwebb ever did.

Hence the “mobile” Chris Webber.

Make no mistake though, Barnes does not score like a 3 even if he’s mobile like one. He’s definitely a 4 like Webber was in terms of his scoring ability.

[Madhouse]

He is definitely playing like a PF as a rookie.

Think his highest ceiling will be as a SF but it will come down to the shot and self creation development on the perimeter.

It's going to be interesting in the coming years. While I would be happy if he becomes prime Webber I think he is going to be a different type of player. Not exactly sure who or if there is a comparison but I think he will evolve into something very different.

[Psubs]

He is definitely playing like a PF as a rookie.

Think his highest ceiling will be as a SF but it will come down to the shot and self creation development on the perimeter.

It's going to be interesting in the coming years. While I would be happy if he becomes prime Webber I think he is going to be a different type of player. Not exactly sure who or if there is a comparison but I think he will evolve into something very different.

Webber / Draymond mix. Taller Charles Barkley with more passing than rebounding? MVP!!!

[TravisScott55]

Chris webber comp makes sense

[srhcan]

Someone has already mentioned it here. I think his game (court vision, passing and post moves) is starting to look a lot like a young Chris Webber and Webber is his prime years was a legitimate 1A option.

Yessir, was me. A more mobile Chris Webber.

Their shot diet is almost the exact same.

Barnes is a 3/4/5 hybrid and he's only a 5 on our team. Any other team and he wouldn't sniff time at the 5.

Webber is a 4/5 big man.

Barnes has way more SF ability than Cwebb ever did.

Barnes is a 4 through and through. He is not a 3 unless he really up his shooting practicing in off season.
Comparison with Webber: Scottie is shooting 68.1% 0-3 ft, 51.1% 3-10 ft then big drop off 38.6% 10-16 ft. Webber's first year 61.8% 0-3 ft, 51.7% 3-10 ft then big drop off 31.4% 10-16 ft. Scottie is on better track.

[DG88]

Watch on YouTube

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Scottie part comes at 13:45

[OakleyDokely]

Charles Barkley is a pretty good comp, especially PHX Barkley. Barkley is shorter, but he's built like a brick house and he was strong as hell like Barnes. Barkley was almost impossible to move in the post. Barkley had a nice touch around the basket and he had a perimeter game that kept defenses honest. Barkley was an underrated passer, he was a 4-5 assist guy in his prime. Barnes isn't quite the rebounder, but Barnes has shown a very nice ability on the offensive boards, especially following up his misses.

[DreamTeam09]

Yessir, was me. A more mobile Chris Webber.

Their shot diet is almost the exact same.

Barnes is a 3/4/5 hybrid and he's only a 5 on our team. Any other team and he wouldn't sniff time at the 5.

Webber is a 4/5 big man.

Barnes has way more SF ability than Cwebb ever did.

Barnes is a 4 through and through. He is not a 3 unless he really up his shooting practicing in off season.
Comparison with Webber: Scottie is shooting 68.1% 0-3 ft, 51.1% 3-10 ft then big drop off 38.6% 10-16 ft. Webber's first year 61.8% 0-3 ft, 51.7% 3-10 ft then big drop off 31.4% 10-16 ft. Scottie is on better track.

Is LeBron a 3 or a 4 in your eyes?
What would a young LeBron %s look like in comparison...

Genuinely asking

[vulture]

https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/news/scottie-barnes-post-game-stardom-raptors/grcvougun4b1fydnn5zbswiu

Context: Scottie Barnes continues to impress.

In Toronto's win over San Antonio on Wednesday, the Raptors rookie had a quiet first half, scoring only two points on two shot attempts. The second half was a different story. With the Raptors trailing at the break, Barnes came alive in the third quarter to the tune of 12 points to help Toronto take control of the game.

Barnes finished with 20 points on an efficient 8-for-12 shooting from the field. He now has 14 20-point games on the season.

Barnes has proven himself to be a pretty versatile scorer throughout this season, but there was one particular way he hurt the Spurs that doubled as a reminder of just how special he has the potential to be.

Barnes is actually generating a decent chunk of his offense in the post on the season and he's scoring at around a league-average level of efficiency. That's nothing to scoff at for a 20-year-old rookie.

We've already discussed how Barnes doesn't need his number called to wreak havoc on a basketball court. It's stuff like this — weaponizing his size, problem-solving on the go and busting out counters — that serves as a glimpse of what he could look like in the future when he is a more polished creator and when the Raptors are running more of their offense through him, be it as an initiator or finisher.

The Raptors even did a little mismatch hunting with Barnes, using him as the ball handler and VanVleet as the screener to get a guard switched onto him.

[OakleyDokely]

The scary thing is Barnes has the frame and strength of Dwight Howard but with perimeter skills. He's going to be able to get 10-15 PPG just using his size and skill around the basket and in transition. Once the perimeter skills start to catch up, watch out.

[DG88]

The scary thing is Barnes has the frame and strength of Dwight Howard but with perimeter skills. He's going to be able to get 10-15 PPG just using his size and skill around the basket and in transition. Once the perimeter skills start to catch up, watch out.

That's the crazy thing!

The physical attributes, long, huge hands, and sheer strength all play a part in what he can produce now. But what makes this better is his BBIQ is very high for a kid his age. Many teams have tried to draft physical freaks but don't have the between the ears part to be great players. Scottie has both and that will propel him in stardom faster then most.

I still remember saying that the 2021 draft class was the one to tank for just because of the sheer talent in that draft. Just from this season alone we can see the glimpses of how good it can be. This could be the next generational draft as the 2000s era of greats are fading.

[OakleyDokely]

The scary thing is Barnes has the frame and strength of Dwight Howard but with perimeter skills. He's going to be able to get 10-15 PPG just using his size and skill around the basket and in transition. Once the perimeter skills start to catch up, watch out.

That's the crazy thing!

The physical attributes, long, huge hands, and sheer strength all play a part in what he can produce now. But what makes this better is his BBIQ is very high for a kid his age. Many teams have tried to draft physical freaks but don't have the between the ears part to be great players. Scottie has both and that will propel him in stardom faster then most.

I still remember saying that the 2021 draft class was the one to tank for just because of the sheer talent in that draft. Just from this season alone we can see the glimpses of how good it can be. This could be the next generational draft as the 2000s era of greats are fading.

Once teams start doubling consistently, he can pick teams apart with his passing.

[Madhouse]

Barnes is a 3/4/5 hybrid and he's only a 5 on our team. Any other team and he wouldn't sniff time at the 5.

Webber is a 4/5 big man.

Barnes has way more SF ability than Cwebb ever did.

Barnes is a 4 through and through. He is not a 3 unless he really up his shooting practicing in off season.
Comparison with Webber: Scottie is shooting 68.1% 0-3 ft, 51.1% 3-10 ft then big drop off 38.6% 10-16 ft. Webber's first year 61.8% 0-3 ft, 51.7% 3-10 ft then big drop off 31.4% 10-16 ft. Scottie is on better track.

Is LeBron a 3 or a 4 in your eyes?
What would a young LeBron %s look like in comparison...

Genuinely asking

age 19 60/36/31
age 20 73/37/32
age 21 69/41/30

[vulture]

The scary thing is Barnes has the frame and strength of Dwight Howard but with perimeter skills. He's going to be able to get 10-15 PPG just using his size and skill around the basket and in transition. Once the perimeter skills start to catch up, watch out.

The most interesting part is teams primarily switch (Zone is second) against the raptors and Scottie might become the player that changes this strategy eventually. You can mismatch hunt with him in the playoffs as early as this season. Eventually teams might just put centers on him to negate his strength and just play drop coverage and then FVV/trent Pullups becomes more dangerous.
Just something to keep an eye on.