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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#961 » by northoakland510 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:49 am

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northoakland510 wrote:Never thought I would miss Chiozza, I don't think this team has a point guard.

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This is seriously hard to watch. Not a good game for anyone that was talking about the benefits of the G-League on this board .

This needs to be Wiseman's last game in the G-League. He's physically ready, time to split some backup minutes with Belly.
There is no one to get him the ball. It feels like when he doesnt touch the ball he speeds himself up and gets the bobbles.

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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#962 » by Samurai » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:02 am

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northoakland510 wrote:Never thought I would miss Chiozza, I don't think this team has a point guard.

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This is seriously hard to watch. Not a good game for anyone that was talking about the benefits of the G-League on this board .

This needs to be Wiseman's last game in the G-League. He's physically ready, time to split some backup minutes with Belly.
There is no one to get him the ball. It feels like when he doesnt touch the ball he speeds himself up and gets the bobbles.

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I think that's a good observation. It may be more pronounced tonight since Chiozza isn't playing; as bad as Cheeze is for an NBA PG, he looks like an all star distributor compared to the other guys on this team. And if Wiseman isn't engaged on offense, there is a tendency to force things so that he can look good for the coaches. And that's probably a normal response for someone with his (lack of) experience and youth. Hopefully the coaches tell him at halftime to just stay within the flow and try not to 'press', which causes the bobbles. Easier said than done.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#963 » by tarantism » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:13 am

Just tuned in but I agree that it's time for Wiseman to come back to the big squad. This is all just 1-on-1 guard play and nobody is even attempting to get him involved.

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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#964 » by Big J » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:21 am

4 turnovers is unacceptable. He’s not getting minutes if he does that with the Dubs. People complain about Bjeli when he gets 2.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#965 » by SpreeChokeJob » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:24 am

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Romulus wrote:If I were the Warriors owners or their GM, I would have never put Wiseman in this position. I would have never wanted him to be necessary for the playoffs. But with only Looney, Wiseman is going to actually need to play some meaningful playoff minutes. That's frightening but necessary.

Bottom line? Get him playing NBA minutes now. And hope he shows enough that you he'll be playable in the playoffs. Having no size could be the one thing that ends the Warriors' playoff hopes.

Come on Wiseman. You're going to be needed. And soon. Maybe that's just 10 minutes a game. But Beli is the worst defensive "big" I've ever seen and will be destroyed in the playoffs if he's given meaningful minutes.


The Warriors owners and GM didn't think he'd take this long to come back.


Roster was overloaded with wings. Either Lee, JTA, or Weatherspoon wasn’t necessary with Moody waiting for his turn.

It’s consistent with the Warriors brand to be loyal to a fault unless Giannis is available. Also they could not attract great center talent when they had Wiseman was forecasted for November.

What they could have done was explore using the two way for any center. If Gasol was available I would have dropped one of the wings because even at his age he can’t be that much worse than Bjelica.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#966 » by marthafokker » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:33 am

Wiseman should be banned from shouting outside the paint. He looks so much better under the basket.

Not too worry about these TOs. NBA doesn't call for 3 sec camping in the paint. Robert and Yokic in the paint for 8+ seconds and no call.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#967 » by TB » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:52 am

Got his offense going in the 3rd quarter once again. Wiseman is moving just fine, time to bring him up. So I'd expect:

- Go through actual pre-game prep tomorrow with GSW, but won't play
- No games for SC or GSW until the weekend, so no point being with Santa Cruz for that Saturday game. Practice with the GSW team all week.
- Debut on Sunday with GSW against the Spurs
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#968 » by Big J » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:55 am

I’d like to see him get some more work in with the G League squad. He needs more reps if he’s bobbling balls.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#969 » by TB » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:58 am

Big J wrote:I’d like to see him get some more work in with the G League squad. He needs more reps if he’s bobbling balls.


I disagree. I don't think there is anything more to gain playing with this G-League team. The best way to help him catch the ball is to be playing with people who know how to pass.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#970 » by Samurai » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:58 am

The good: 15 points on 7-12 shooting. After a rough start in terms of shooting, he heated up and showed some nice touch around the rim and even some midrange (including a 12-foot jump hook). Also had 9 boards and continued to show a willingness to box out. Also tipped several rebounds to teammates that he wasn't able to grab himself; that won't be reflected in the box score but coaches will definitely appreciate that effort. Also did a decent job of rim protecting with 3 blocks and altered several other misses. One strength he brings that no one else on our team can replicate: he looks like a legit 7-footer. He looks huge compared to the other Sea Dubs, he takes up space in the paint and he did not get pushed around; definitely appears to be bigger and stronger than last season.

The bad: 6 turnovers. Two looked like miscommunications and given how bad some of his teammates are, not sure they were entirely Wiseman's fault and as noted, one was a 3-second call that likely won't be called in the NBA. But several were the result of those suspect hands and those are the ones he must improve upon. Also zero assists, and the passes he did throw did not seem noteworthy. At this stage, his passing clearly seems to be a good tier below our other bigs like Looney and Belly.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#971 » by Samurai » Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:05 am

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Big J wrote:I’d like to see him get some more work in with the G League squad. He needs more reps if he’s bobbling balls.


I disagree. I don't think there is anything more to gain playing with this G-League team. The best way to help him catch the ball is to be playing with people who know how to pass.

From what I've seen, I agree with the bolded sentence. If he were to take Belly's minutes, I don't see us losing anything and we could have a lot to gain just by his size alone. Belly himself isn't vastly superior in terms of turnovers (frankly I'm getting tired of seeing him pass up open 3's to just drive into traffic and lose the ball).
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#972 » by TB » Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:10 am

Samurai wrote:The good: 15 points on 7-12 shooting. After a rough start in terms of shooting, he heated up and showed some nice touch around the rim and even some midrange (including a 12-foot jump hook). Also had 9 boards and continued to show a willingness to box out. Also tipped several rebounds to teammates that he wasn't able to grab himself; that won't be reflected in the box score but coaches will definitely appreciate that effort. Also did a decent job of rim protecting with 3 blocks and altered several other misses. One strength he brings that no one else on our team can replicate: he looks like a legit 7-footer. He looks huge compared to the other Sea Dubs, he takes up space in the paint and he did not get pushed around; definitely appears to be bigger and stronger than last season.

The bad: 6 turnovers. Two looked like miscommunications and given how bad some of his teammates are, not sure they were entirely Wiseman's fault and as noted, one was a 3-second call that likely won't be called in the NBA. But several were the result of those suspect hands and those are the ones he must improve upon. Also zero assists, and the passes he did throw did not seem noteworthy. At this stage, his passing clearly seems to be a good tier below our other bigs like Looney and Belly.


Nice recap, exactly how it seemed to me as well. All of which to me seems like enough to bring him up. Especially the movement stuff... he looks to be moving great, and while he was huffing and puffing here and there, it was after sprinting up and down the floor for a solid 4 minute stretch. I think his conditioning is probably good enough for the type of minutes he will start with on the GSW team.

All in all, I consider this a really successful 3 games. Got his cardio in, got some trust in his leg, got some shots up and in. I'm excited for the weekend.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#973 » by GSWFan1994 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:42 am



18/6
19/14
15/9
... all in 21 minutes each game

17,3 points / 9,7 rebounds in 21 mpg
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#974 » by whatisacenter » Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:03 am

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Samurai wrote:The good: 15 points on 7-12 shooting. After a rough start in terms of shooting, he heated up and showed some nice touch around the rim and even some midrange (including a 12-foot jump hook). Also had 9 boards and continued to show a willingness to box out. Also tipped several rebounds to teammates that he wasn't able to grab himself; that won't be reflected in the box score but coaches will definitely appreciate that effort. Also did a decent job of rim protecting with 3 blocks and altered several other misses. One strength he brings that no one else on our team can replicate: he looks like a legit 7-footer. He looks huge compared to the other Sea Dubs, he takes up space in the paint and he did not get pushed around; definitely appears to be bigger and stronger than last season.

The bad: 6 turnovers. Two looked like miscommunications and given how bad some of his teammates are, not sure they were entirely Wiseman's fault and as noted, one was a 3-second call that likely won't be called in the NBA. But several were the result of those suspect hands and those are the ones he must improve upon. Also zero assists, and the passes he did throw did not seem noteworthy. At this stage, his passing clearly seems to be a good tier below our other bigs like Looney and Belly.


Nice recap, exactly how it seemed to me as well. All of which to me seems like enough to bring him up. Especially the movement stuff... he looks to be moving great, and while he was huffing and puffing here and there, it was after sprinting up and down the floor for a solid 4 minute stretch. I think his conditioning is probably good enough for the type of minutes he will start with on the GSW team.

All in all, I consider this a really successful 3 games. Got his cardio in, got some trust in his leg, got some shots up and in. I'm excited for the weekend.


yeah, spot on from both of you. Biggest thing for me is his knee looks sold and he seems to have trust in it which is huge IMO. The game was sloppy and pretty hard to watch, not sure how much more he can gain from playing on the SC squad. I say get him up with GS and play him in spot minutes and see how he plays with better talent around him.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#975 » by xdrta+ » Wed Mar 16, 2022 6:18 am

If this were mid-season, he'd probably play a lot more games in the G league, which is what he needs after not playing for so long. But the way the season is winding down that won't happen.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#976 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:11 pm

No ball handling unless needed for Wiseman in the NBA hopefully this year. All big men seem to want to play like small forwards ever since David Robinson. Wiseman said that he thought he would be like David Robinson. I was happy that Wiseman knew who David Robinson was because at Wiseman's age knowing and caring about Robinson might indicate that he is a student of the game which in turn might indicate a love for the game.

I think big men want to be seen as players and athaletes rather than as simply big. Maybe Wiseman will be ready to succesfully play like a guard in the NBA a few years from now but for now he should suppress that desire to be a guard. He also should not try to play like Mo Speights just yet, but maybe next year.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#977 » by Badly Browned » Wed Mar 16, 2022 2:54 pm

Kinda shows the bigman talent level deficit in the G-League when Wiseman is coming in after a year a rehab, still looking raw, and putting up like 36 pts / 17 reb / 3 blk per36 on 52% from the field.

So, I don't think we can glean anything on the offensive end from Wiseman's G-League stint. His physical advantages are too great to really transfer much over to the NBA level.

What I will say is I think his timing/anticipation on defense has looked more consistent than last year.

As long as he's not a blackhole on offense with the big club, I think he should get Bjelica's minutes, unless Bjelica actually starts hitting 3s again. Come playoff time I don't think either Wiseman nor Bjelica get minutes anyways.

I don't pin it on Wiseman that the Warriors FO decided to not bring in another bigman to lessen the pressure for Wiseman to produce right away.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#978 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:32 pm

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Romulus wrote:If I were the Warriors owners or their GM, I would have never put Wiseman in this position. I would have never wanted him to be necessary for the playoffs. But with only Looney, Wiseman is going to actually need to play some meaningful playoff minutes. That's frightening but necessary.

Bottom line? Get him playing NBA minutes now. And hope he shows enough that you he'll be playable in the playoffs. Having no size could be the one thing that ends the Warriors' playoff hopes.

Come on Wiseman. You're going to be needed. And soon. Maybe that's just 10 minutes a game. But Beli is the worst defensive "big" I've ever seen and will be destroyed in the playoffs if he's given meaningful minutes.


The Warriors owners and GM didn't think he'd take this long to come back.


Roster was overloaded with wings. Either Lee, JTA, or Weatherspoon wasn’t necessary with Moody waiting for his turn.

It’s consistent with the Warriors brand to be loyal to a fault unless Giannis is available. Also they could not attract great center talent when they had Wiseman was forecasted for November.

What they could have done was explore using the two way for any center. If Gasol was available I would have dropped one of the wings because even at his age he can’t be that much worse than Bjelica.


a 2-way big wouldn't be allowed to play in the playoffs regardless.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#979 » by Scoots1994 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:37 pm

Badly Browned wrote:Kinda shows the bigman talent level deficit in the G-League when Wiseman is coming in after a year a rehab, still looking raw, and putting up like 36 pts / 17 reb / 3 blk per36 on 52% from the field.

So, I don't think we can glean anything on the offensive end from Wiseman's G-League stint. His physical advantages are too great to really transfer much over to the NBA level.

What I will say is I think his timing/anticipation on defense has looked more consistent than last year.

As long as he's not a blackhole on offense with the big club, I think he should get Bjelica's minutes, unless Bjelica actually starts hitting 3s again. Come playoff time I don't think either Wiseman nor Bjelica get minutes anyways.

I don't pin it on Wiseman that the Warriors FO decided to not bring in another bigman to lessen the pressure for Wiseman to produce right away.


The Warriors HAVE to give him PT as much as possible including the playoffs. If it comes to an emergency situation they need to have him as ready as possible. Also people are STILL making declarations based on how he's going to be playing in a month and we have no idea.
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Re: James Wiseman 2021/2022 

Post#980 » by EvanZ » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:39 pm

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The Warriors HAVE to give him PT as much as possible including the playoffs. If it comes to an emergency situation they need to have him as ready as possible. Also people are STILL making declarations based on how he's going to be playing in a month and we have no idea.


LMAO GTFOH with giving him playoff minutes. :lol:

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