James Wiseman 2021/2022

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Why do posters feel the need to act like they are 100% right about everything? Guess what? You’re not! How about we wait and see Wiseman play a few games with this roster before we decide who he is and what he can do for the team this season?

Small percent of the population has a cluster B trait personality disorder. Once you have had one in your life it becomes easier to recognize them. We have several on this board.

[TB]

Ezeli played in over 50 playoff games for us, including 10mpg in the playoffs as a rookie. Lets not put anything past Kerr

We obviously want to see him play a bit the last 14 games or whatever is left, and he's likely not going to look like someone that should be getting heavy minutes.... but a team running out Wilt Looney, a slumping Belly, and a recovering Dray/Otto at center may end up in a situation where Wiseman has to eat minutes in the playoffs.

I feel good with a healthy Dray/Loon/Otto at center for any meaningful playoff minutes. But I'm also really excited to see Wiseman get at least a dozen or so games to give himself a chance at getting into the rotation. Hoping he crushes it and we actually can throw him in the early rounds to save Dray and Loon a bit.

[michaelm]

Ezeli played in over 50 playoff games for us, including 10mpg in the playoffs as a rookie. Lets not put anything past Kerr

We obviously want to see him play a bit the last 14 games or whatever is left, and he's likely not going to look like someone that should be getting heavy minutes.... but a team running out Wilt Looney, a slumping Belly, and a recovering Dray/Otto at center may end up in a situation where Wiseman has to eat minutes in the playoffs.

I feel good with a healthy Dray/Loon/Otto at center for any meaningful playoff minutes. But I'm also really excited to see Wiseman get at least a dozen or so games to give himself a chance at getting into the rotation. Hoping he crushes it and we actually can throw him in the early rounds to save Dray and Loon a bit.

And maybe wear down the opposition bigs who worry GSW a little. There are not many in that category, but there are a few.

[hamncheese]

I admit that I don't have any confidence in my ability to evaluate Wiseman from watching only some parts of his G-League games and looking at stats, so I won't lay any claim as to how he will do for the rest of the regulat season. My guess is that if he plays well, he'll earn some minutes during the post-seadon, and otherwise, he won't.

[michaelm]

Roster was overloaded with wings. Either Lee, JTA, or Weatherspoon wasn’t necessary with Moody waiting for his turn.

It’s consistent with the Warriors brand to be loyal to a fault unless Giannis is available. Also they could not attract great center talent when they had Wiseman was forecasted for November.

What they could have done was explore using the two way for any center. If Gasol was available I would have dropped one of the wings because even at his age he can’t be that much worse than Bjelica.

a 2-way big wouldn't be allowed to play in the playoffs regardless.

If they got them earlier and he showed promise, they could have converted him. But that meant they have to kick someone off. I think it’s better to use the two way for a potential big than for practice players where they were they already have too many in jta, Lee, Chiozza, and Weatherspoon.

But the issue is they don’t think bigs are important, but even then there’s no point in carrying all those players above when they already have Moody and Iguodala and GP2.

Depends whom you regard as “they”. Some in the organisation clearly value bigs, the trade for Bogut was the keynote of the ownership change, they put years into Smilovic and Jones, and drafted Wiseman at 2, have treated his meniscal injury with iimmense care, and have hired multiple coaches with a reputation for coaching bigs to aid his development.

I agree there is not much place for a conventional plodding big in Kerr’s scheme, and believe they drafted Wiseman to be an offensive player eventually, although how keen Kerr was is unclear. I also agree there is not much place for the offensive potential he has flared at times, 3 point shooting and dribbling and what have you, this season and catching lobs should be about all he does. Kerr had someone on the roster who excelled at that in Javale McGee and didn’t play him much particularly in the play-offs though.

He is huge physically already however, and if he is not being pushed around in late season NBA games I could see some role in limited minutes rim protecting/altering shots, rebounding, boxing out etc in regard to which which he seems to have been drilled, and perhaps tiring elite large opposition bigs, if he doesn’t get in the way defensively otherwise, the latter admittedly a big if. Joel Embiid in particular is elite in many respects but being possessed of elite stamina is not among them.

[GSWFan1994]

Why do posters feel the need to act like they are 100% right about everything? Guess what? You’re not! How about we wait and see Wiseman play a few games with this roster before we decide who he is and what he can do for the team this season?

It makes their e-penis longer.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Wiseman doesn’t look anywhere ready for playoffs. Is he better than Bjelica? I don’t think that’s the measuring stick that the team should be using. This team is going to ride with Looney and Dray in playoffs. Better hope their health holds up because the alternative backup plans aren’t pretty.

We have no idea what he will look like by the end of the regular season. We haven't seen him play with his teammates he's been practicing with yet.

It's not like Bjelli sets a really high bar for Wiseman to clear.

That’s the reason I said Bjelica is not a good measuring stick even if he does cross it. The team won’t have many reliable options after Looney and Dray. Beating out Bjelica is not an accomplishment.

We haven’t seen him play with his teammates, but we have seen G league and have last years information. He makes a lot of mistakes in G league to be counted on during the playoffs. He just doesn’t have enough experience to know what to do in around 10 games left on minutes restrictions. Even someone as experienced as Klay Thompson is not back to usual Klay yet in a consistent way.

[FNQ]

Wiseman recalled from Santa Cruz today, seems like he's gonna be available Sunday.

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Not tonight tho?

Well at least we’ll get to see about 10 games of him. But I don’t think expectations should be much.. all that said I’m still psyched that some experts believe he can fit in our system in time. Hard to shake the feel of him being a Mullin draft pick, who we’re rooting for despite the long odds

[Onus]

Wiseman recalled from Santa Cruz today, seems like he's gonna be available Sunday.

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Not tonight tho?

Well at least we’ll get to see about 10 games of him. But I don’t think expectations should be much.. all that said I’m still psyched that some experts believe he can fit in our system in time. Hard to shake the feel of him being a Mullin draft pick, who we’re rooting for despite the long odds

The system will have to change at some point when we move away from curry and draymond. When that actually happens though probably depends on kuminga and probably wiseman.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Depends whom you regard as “they”. Some in the organisation clearly value bigs, the trade for Bogut was the keynote of the ownership change, they put years into Smilovic and Jones, and drafted Wiseman at 2, have treated his meniscal injury with iimmense care, and have hired multiple coaches with a reputation for coaching bigs to aid his development.

I agree there is not much place for a conventional plodding big in Kerr’s scheme, and believe they drafted Wiseman to be an offensive player eventually, although how keen Kerr was is unclear. I also agree there is not much place for the offensive potential he has flared at times, 3 point shooting and dribbling and what have you, this season and catching lobs should be about all he does. Kerr had someone on the roster who excelled at that in Javale McGee and didn’t play him much particularly in the play-offs though.

He is huge physically already however, and if he is not being pushed around in late season NBA games I could see some role in limited minutes rim protecting/altering shots, rebounding, boxing out etc in regard to which which he seems to have been drilled, and perhaps tiring elite large opposition bigs, if he doesn’t get in the way defensively otherwise, the latter admittedly a big if. Joel Embiid in particular is elite in many respects but being possessed of elite stamina is not among them.

The they I was referencing to was the ownership front office coaching in regards to getting a big with the two way instead of Chiozza or Weatherspoon.

I always noted the change in philosophy when they had Bogut to the centers they are targeting now. No one knows the decision making that went into choosing bigs, but by induction I assumed the front office changes matched the change in big men they favored. If you look at the Clippers, Zubac is the type of bigs that the Warriors targeted early in the dynasty.

The transition came and the last center that was worth anything was McGee when they made the push to go younger and went with Jones. Since then they always had a center in mind to fit in their schemes. They even neglected McGee who was a serviceable backup in favor of choosing Jones.

They haven’t been good at identifying any useful big men in some time. The issue is they may have lost a part of the front office decision makers that were good at picking big men because they were nailing most of the choices early on. And from Myers past 95.7 interview he seemed to imply the coaches influencing the decisions that they preferred going smaller.

[Samurai]

Wiseman recalled from Santa Cruz today, seems like he's gonna be available Sunday.

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Not tonight tho?

Well at least we’ll get to see about 10 games of him. But I don’t think expectations should be much.. all that said I’m still psyched that some experts believe he can fit in our system in time. Hard to shake the feel of him being a Mullin draft pick, who we’re rooting for despite the long odds

Team announced that he is out for tonight's game, which would make sense as it would be illogical to have him play back-to-back games after being so exceedingly cautious with him thus far. According to The Athletic, he will practice with the team the next few days and the earliest he could return to NBA action is Sunday against the Spurs.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

What do you think about my get Ayton out of his rhythm theory. Ayton is still young, not a savy old vet.

Ayton got comfortable shooting over Looney with some low body contact initiated by Ayton and line drive shots that were going over Looney's hands by a few inches. I don't think that Ayton could shoot those shots over Wiseman. I bet Ayton could pump fake Wiseman into fouling him if that is part of Ayton's game.

Playing one way against Wiseman and another way against Looney is something that would be normal for a veteran but Ayton isn't a veteran. I am thinking that throwing Wiseman into the game for a minute may screw up Ayton's Rhythm enough that when Lonney comes back it may take Ayton a few minutes to get back into his playing against Looney Rhythm.

But I am curious whether you all agree with me that changing the type of defender would interupt a players rhythm to the point where the rhythm is still interupted when the original defender returns to the game.

Would a repeating rotation of 3 minutes of Looney, 1 minute Wiseman, 3 minutes Looney, 1 minute Wiseman be effective?
Would it also hur the rhythm of the Warriors teamates offense and defense. Looney is setting some good screens and passing in ways that I don't expect Wiseman to be able to do. Looney understands his role on defense and knows how to work with Draymond and Wiseman won't understand.

i want to stop Ayton because he might be stopable where as stopping Chris Paul or Booker is not as easy. We don't need much to beat he Suns. 2 extra missed buckets by Ayton is probaby enough.

[Big J]

What do you think about my get Ayton out of his rhythm theory. Ayton is still young, not a savy old vet.

Ayton got comfortable shooting over Looney with some low body contact initiated by Ayton and line drive shots that were going over Looney's hands by a few inches. I don't think that Ayton could shoot those shots over Wiseman. I bet Ayton could pump fake Wiseman into fouling him if that is part of Ayton's game.

Playing one way against Wiseman and another way against Looney is something that would be normal for a veteran but Ayton isn't a veteran. I am thinking that throwing Wiseman into the game for a minute may screw up Ayton's Rhythm enough that when Lonney comes back it may take Ayton a few minutes to get back into his playing against Looney Rhythm.

But I am curious whether you all agree with me that changing the type of defender would interupt a players rhythm to the point where the rhythm is still interupted when the original defender returns to the game.

Would a repeating rotation of 3 minutes of Looney, 1 minute Wiseman, 3 minutes Looney, 1 minute Wiseman be effective?
Would it also hur the rhythm of the Warriors teamates offense and defense. Looney is setting some good screens and passing in ways that I don't expect Wiseman to be able to do. Looney understands his role on defense and knows how to work with Draymond and Wiseman won't understand.

i want to stop Ayton because he might be stopable where as stopping Chris Paul or Booker is not as easy. We don't need much to beat he Suns. 2 extra missed buckets by Ayton is probaby enough.

A better way to screw up the others team's rhythm would be going small and putting Draymond at the 5 and making Ayton defend outside of the paint.

[michaelm]

What do you think about my get Ayton out of his rhythm theory. Ayton is still young, not a savy old vet.

Ayton got comfortable shooting over Looney with some low body contact initiated by Ayton and line drive shots that were going over Looney's hands by a few inches. I don't think that Ayton could shoot those shots over Wiseman. I bet Ayton could pump fake Wiseman into fouling him if that is part of Ayton's game.

Playing one way against Wiseman and another way against Looney is something that would be normal for a veteran but Ayton isn't a veteran. I am thinking that throwing Wiseman into the game for a minute may screw up Ayton's Rhythm enough that when Lonney comes back it may take Ayton a few minutes to get back into his playing against Looney Rhythm.

But I am curious whether you all agree with me that changing the type of defender would interupt a players rhythm to the point where the rhythm is still interupted when the original defender returns to the game.

Would a repeating rotation of 3 minutes of Looney, 1 minute Wiseman, 3 minutes Looney, 1 minute Wiseman be effective?
Would it also hur the rhythm of the Warriors teamates offense and defense. Looney is setting some good screens and passing in ways that I don't expect Wiseman to be able to do. Looney understands his role on defense and knows how to work with Draymond and Wiseman won't understand.

i want to stop Ayton because he might be stopable where as stopping Chris Paul or Booker is not as easy. We don't need much to beat he Suns. 2 extra missed buckets by Ayton is probaby enough.

A better way to screw up the others team's rhythm would be going small and putting Draymond at the 5 and making Ayton defend outside of the paint.

Sure, but Green doing that for a whole putative WCF series then possibly for a whole putative Finals series against Embiid or whomever might be too much for his body.

[Big J]

Welp, I was anti playing Wiseman, but now that Curry is out, and we’ll be losing games anyway we might as well showcase him.

[tarantism]

Edit: woops wrong thread.

[cdubbz]

he looks like a high school kid out there....i mean do we really want to play him this year? We are here to win a championship and we want to make sure our main rotations are set for PS.
we are not forcing to play big man matchup..if anything we have to play small and let others to adjust to us.

Wiseman will get eaten alive in the paint this year and probably next few.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

It's not like Bjelli sets a really high bar for Wiseman to clear.

That’s the reason I said Bjelica is not a good measuring stick even if he does cross it. The team won’t have many reliable options after Looney and Dray. Beating out Bjelica is not an accomplishment.
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I don't think Kerr like playing rookies. Wiseman is sort of still a rookie.
Wiseman has to clearly beat out Bjelica to get playing time in the playoffs. A tie goes to Bjelica because he isn't a rookie.

Beating out Bjelica isn't a high hurdle but any small improvement over Bejelica will be a help. If Wiseman is just barely better than Bjelica we still have a weakness at back up center. Having the option of playing our choice of Bjelica or Wiseman might be helpful in a game of match ups because their strengths and weaknesses are not the same.

I am getting excited to see what Wiseman can do.

[The-Power]

Well, Kerr's latest comments are definitely a cause for concern. There seems to be very little faith in Wiseman's ability to contribute even in short spurts.

[whatisacenter]

Well, Kerr's latest comments are definitely a cause for concern. There seems to be very little faith in Wiseman's ability to contribute even in short spurts.

I'm not sure if you have caught any of his g league minutes but I have watched all three games and he gets gassed playing in 5-6 minute bursts. I wish he was ready but I don't think it is a big deal that he needs more time to get up to speed after such a long layoff and not having a training camp/pre season again.