2022 draft/prospects thread

Case2012 · Post #181 » by **Case2012** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:29 am

If we lucked into the top of the lotto I’m taking Smith AND Murray. They could both be 20-25 PPG guys and they both play good switchable defense on the perimeter. There’s plenty of centers in the second round that can protect the rim and that skill is nowhere near as valuable as switchable forwards with all star scoring potential and perimeter defense.

Goldbum · Post #182 » by **Goldbum** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:21 pm

Theoretical idea: if we get a top pick would you trade #1 or #2 plus our TPE for Scottie Barnes and OG?
That's a lineup of:
Dame
Ant
OG
Barnes
Nurkic

BENCH
Hart
Winslow
Nas
#9 (probably Duren)
Keon
B Williams
Dunn
Watford
#38
2nd second round pick

Clipsz 4 Life · Post #183 » by **Tim Lehrbach** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:06 pm

Goldbum wrote:Theoretical idea: if we get a top pick would you trade #1 or #2 plus our TPE for Scottie Barnes and OG?
That's a lineup of:
Dame
Ant
OG
Barnes
Nurkic

BENCH
Hart
Winslow
Nas
#9 (probably Duren)
Keon
B Williams
Dunn
Watford
#38
2nd second round pick

Love that final roster for Portland, but Toronto probably would not trade Barnes alone for the top pick in this draft, let alone include OG.

Dame Lizard · Post #184 » by **Dame Lizard** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:49 pm

Goldbum wrote:Theoretical idea: if we get a top pick would you trade #1 or #2 plus our TPE for Scottie Barnes and OG?
That's a lineup of:
Dame
Ant
OG
Barnes
Nurkic

BENCH
Hart
Winslow
Nas
#9 (probably Duren)
Keon
B Williams
Dunn
Watford
#38
2nd second round pick

I agree with Tim. Toronto aren't trading Scottie Barnes alone for #1, let alone including OG.

One in the hand is worth two in the bush, and there's no absolute home-run in this draft who is a sure thing upgrade over Barnes. If their draftee becomes a flop, then that GM's reputation would take a hit that would be very hard to repair.

Norm2953 · Post #185 » by **Norm2953** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:57 am

You wonder how many Blazer scouts are at the MC to watch Holmgren vs Duren.

Interesting game for Emoni Bates who was supposed to be this next generation player has been exposed
this season with average length and a bad back.

Goldbum · Post #186 » by **Goldbum** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:49 am

Not disagreeing about the Toronto idea. I wonder if including Hart and #38 would be enough enticement... Keon/Dunn/Williams would have to play more, but if Nas is healtyh that might not matter. Pie in the sky high hopes but yeah we are sorta awful as we tank dreaming up these sort of scenarios makes the losses less bitter. Seems like Toronto has a lot of 6'8"/6'9" switchable guys but nobody like Chet. Even without Barnes and OG they still would have
Holmgren
Siakam
Boucher
Achiuwa
Khem Birch

Add Hart to GTJ and FVF
Flynn and Svi on the wings, backcourt.

I realize the above will never happen but do you guys think we could pry Precious Achiuwa away in a different sort of deal. I loved him in the draft and feel he could be a huge impact guy at our starting PF (assuming we don't find one in the draft).

elias808 · Post #187 » by **elias808** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:39 pm

Norm2953 wrote:You wonder how many Blazer scouts are at the MC to watch Holmgren vs Duren.

Interesting game for Emoni Bates who was supposed to be this next generation player has been exposed
this season with average length and a bad back.

Bates was 100% hype machine. It's very kind to say he has average length. He has negative length compared to height, and well below average athleticism.

Norm2953 · Post #188 » by **Norm2953** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:46 pm

It was interesting to watch Gonzaga vs Memphis.

Holmgren like Jabari Smith (Auburn) really benefits playing alongside another big for the big, physical
Drew Timme carried Gonzaga past Memphis. He's going to a good player but until he physically matures,
is going to be brutalized by an NBA big.

Timme is going to be an NBA player with a limited ceiling but he's physically ready to play. Should be a SRP.

Duren is also going to be an NBA player but he's as green as grass. He'll benefit playing on a pro coaching
staff and likely won't play much if drafted by any decent NBA team. Memphis has some real good athletes
and I'm not going to write off Emoni Bates if he gets healthy.

It'll be interesting to see how all these draft prospects fare in the NBA combine and individual workouts. I
seriously doubt there are any players who will transform their new teams into a contender. Just a lot of
19 year old players who will need time to physically mature and adjust to the league.

Case2012 · Post #189 » by **Case2012** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:16 am

Watch on YouTube

Goldbum · Post #190 » by **Goldbum** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:32 pm

Yeah, absolutely no interest in Grant fir a lottery pick.
Now B.Williams is the right age and sort of what Detroit should be looking for at PG. He is signed with Portland on a 2 way next year. I could see Williams both seconds and the TPE for Grant. Then Murray/Eason and Duren if we don't see any lotto luck.

BlazersBroncos · Post #191 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:46 pm

Goldbum wrote:Yeah, absolutely no interest in Grant fir a lottery pick.
Now B.Williams is the right age and sort of what Detroit should be looking for at PG. He is signed with Portland on a 2 way next year. I could see Williams both seconds and the TPE for Grant. Then Murray/Eason and Duren if we don't see any lotto luck.

I wish, but by all reports DET is not moving Grant for less than a lotto pick.

A few SRP's and a random guy that is putting up decent stats on a tanking squad wont cut it.

My hope, if we are dead set on Grant, would be get a 3rd team involved with a middle teens' pick and another FRP. Move our lower LP to them, the middle teens pick to DET, and Grant + lower FRP to PDX.

Post #192 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:38 pm

Yeah, I am definitely bracing myself that Grant is already a done deal and the specific moves we made were to open this possibility. I bet the only reason it didn't get done at the trade deadline is Detroit wanted to know exactly where that Pelican pick landed and neither team really needed Grant for the duration of the season.

BlazersBroncos · Post #193 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:10 pm

As for Grant, I would much rather use our higher LP and try to get Pascal. Think he is much more of a needle mover.

Norm2953 · Post #194 » by **Norm2953** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:52 pm

Remember Grant before playing on some bad Detroit teams, was a career 11ppg scorer and likely is a tweener
at 6-8 210. Anyone who thinks he would be this elite player in Portland would be sadly mistaken. If he was that
elite player, Detroit would keep and pay him

BlazersBroncos · Post #195 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:36 pm

Norm2953 wrote:Remember Grant before playing on some bad Detroit teams, was a career 11ppg scorer and likely is a tweener
at 6-8 210. Anyone who thinks he would be this elite player in Portland would be sadly mistaken. If he was that
elite player, Detroit would keep and pay him

Grant was a late bloomer who showed out a good amount his last year in OKC and in DEN. He is much better than a 11ppg guy. He also certainly isnt a 20ppg guy on a good team.

I think you could get 15ppg each on good efficiency from each of Grant, Hart and Nurkic + 44-50ppg from Dame / Ant.

And Grant is a good tweener, not a bad one. Tall enough to guard PF and quick enough to guard SF.

This isnt to say he is worth a top-10 pick, but to say he is a 11ppg tweener is going too far IMO.

Post #196 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:17 pm

I have Duren closer to Drummond than Bam or Aldridge in terms of skillset. Still not a bad late lotto pick IMO assuming we dont trade to Detroit.

BlazersBroncos · Post #197 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:26 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I have Duren closer to Drummond than Bam or Aldridge in terms of skillset. Still not a bad late lotto pick IMO assuming we dont trade to Detroit.

I think he is a bit less lumdering than Drummond, I think Ayton is pretty close but not sure he has the same feel for the game.

Definatley dont see Bam or LMA. Both were much more skilled.

Post #198 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:35 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I have Duren closer to Drummond than Bam or Aldridge in terms of skillset. Still not a bad late lotto pick IMO assuming we dont trade to Detroit.

I think he is a bit less lumdering than Drummond, I think Ayton is pretty close but not sure he has the same feel for the game.

Definatley dont see Bam or LMA. Both were much more skilled.

Drummond was known as pretty athletic when he was drafted, but he has added weight and slowed down since then. Ayton is a good comp too although I thought Duren looked a little bit smaller than Ayton.

tester551 · Post #199 » by **tester551** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 5:32 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I have Duren closer to Drummond than Bam or Aldridge in terms of skillset. Still not a bad late lotto pick IMO assuming we dont trade to Detroit.

I think he is a bit less lumdering than Drummond, I think Ayton is pretty close but not sure he has the same feel for the game.

Definatley dont see Bam or LMA. Both were much more skilled.

Drummond was known as pretty athletic when he was drafted, but he has added weight and slowed down since then. Ayton is a good comp too although I thought Duren looked a little bit smaller than Ayton.

Ayton is not a good comp for Duren.

Dwight Howard (from the last 3-4 years) is my comp. Definitely has the ability to effect the game positively - but really should be an ancillary piece.

Case2012 · Post #200 » by **Case2012** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:23 pm

If we’re lucky enough for Mathurin to still be on the board with our 2nd LP, I’m taking him. If he’s gone, then I look at Duren.

Mathurin Just has that X factor star quality about him, I’ll be surprised if he falls out of the top 10.

Watch on YouTube

I would not be shocked if Arizona wins it all. Koloko is a center I would really like too if we can package our second round picks and something else for a late first to grab him.