Does Dallas Have Any Chance to Keep Brunson?

[DreamTeam09]

Is a SnT for Grant possible from Det end, Det doesn't have to do it, but that'd be a good return

[Mavrelous]

Pistons want to pair him in the backcourt with Cade. They called and asked about trading for him at the deadline, but Dallas pretty much said "sure we like Cade" and that was the end of that.

I previously expected Weaver to come in and offer 4 years and $80+ million but now think it might take closer to $100 million to make it happen.

Maybe Detroit works a Kelly Olynyk for Tim Hardaway Jr trade and lets Dallas keep their guy instead of offering Brunson a huge deal.

Yup. Dallas is going to have to do some major book work to keep him, as I expect Weaver to come in with a huge offer. Pairing a budding star like Cade with Brunson in the backcourt is highly appealing, especially with a top pick coming in again this year, and if it's top three, the Pistons could be real good, real fast. Good selling point to Brunson, as well as a massive bag.

The sharks are gonna be circling for sure.

Pistons are coming for him, but don't underestimate Cuban's ego in bidding wars, I hope Pistons draft Ivy to cool down the bidding war.

[DreamTeam09]

Pistons want to pair him in the backcourt with Cade. They called and asked about trading for him at the deadline, but Dallas pretty much said "sure we like Cade" and that was the end of that.

I previously expected Weaver to come in and offer 4 years and $80+ million but now think it might take closer to $100 million to make it happen.

Maybe Detroit works a Kelly Olynyk for Tim Hardaway Jr trade and lets Dallas keep their guy instead of offering Brunson a huge deal.

Yup. Dallas is going to have to do some major book work to keep him, as I expect Weaver to come in with a huge offer. Pairing a budding star like Cade with Brunson in the backcourt is highly appealing, especially with a top pick coming in again this year, and if it's top three, the Pistons could be real good, real fast. Good selling point to Brunson, as well as a massive bag.

The sharks are gonna be circling for sure.

Pistons are coming for him, but don't underestimate Cuban's ego in bidding wars, I hope Pistons draft Ivy to cool down the bidding war.

Det should definitely be a big no? Jabari or Chet.

[alevirfe]

I think he will get $104m-116m over 4 years, which is 20-22% of the salary cap.

Dallas can offer the 8% raises or the 5 years..

wooow. I wouldnt bite at that price tag

I'll admit I haven't paid close enough attention to the Mavs/Brunson, but that seems way too high for an undersized score first PG

[Mavrelous]

Depends on the lottery, they may be picking 4th or 5th.

[zeebneeb]

Pistons want to pair him in the backcourt with Cade. They called and asked about trading for him at the deadline, but Dallas pretty much said "sure we like Cade" and that was the end of that.

I previously expected Weaver to come in and offer 4 years and $80+ million but now think it might take closer to $100 million to make it happen.

Maybe Detroit works a Kelly Olynyk for Tim Hardaway Jr trade and lets Dallas keep their guy instead of offering Brunson a huge deal.

Yup. Dallas is going to have to do some major book work to keep him, as I expect Weaver to come in with a huge offer. Pairing a budding star like Cade with Brunson in the backcourt is highly appealing, especially with a top pick coming in again this year, and if it's top three, the Pistons could be real good, real fast. Good selling point to Brunson, as well as a massive bag.

The sharks are gonna be circling for sure.

Pistons are coming for him, but don't underestimate Cuban's ego in bidding wars, I hope Pistons draft Ivy to cool down the bidding war.

All I know is that it's going to be a very interesting offseason for the Pistons, especially if they land a top 3 pick, as that will shore up the bigman positions, and Weaver will go all in trying to land Brunson I think, and with his playoff performance thus far, it may end up being a huge offer.

The real fun speculation begins May 17th. Ping-pong balls are going to determine a ton this offseason for a bunch of teams.

[gottamakeit]

Jalen has played 2 good games against the Jazz. Does that alone get him paid?
Jazz's perimeter defense is weak, a lot of perimeter players are able to exploit it.

Take a look at how Jalen was ineffective against the clippers in last year's playoffs for 5 out of the 7 games.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01/gamelog-playoffs/
I think the real calibration of Jalen's abilities is taking the average of the 2 series; which is to say he'll give you 15 points a game on decent efficiency.

[jbk1234]

Brunson is why you don't give up on guys after a single season or two. But yeah, if the Mavs have to attach a pick to another player to clear cap, then that's what they have to do. You can't let a guy like him walk unless he's looks for true max money, and even then, I think they have bit the bullet and pay him. He's their second best player and it's not particularly close.

[zimpy27]

I think he will get $104m-116m over 4 years, which is 20-22% of the salary cap.

Dallas can offer the 8% raises or the 5 years..

wooow. I wouldnt bite at that price tag

I'll admit I haven't paid close enough attention to the Mavs/Brunson, but that seems way too high for an undersized score first PG

Well he will be in his prime for this whole contract. He's tracking to be as good as Brogdon but without the same injury issues.

He's not really score first either.

[Richard4444]

All I know is money better not be the reason. If he leaves because he wants to be the primary PG, so be it. But no excuse for Cuban letting Detroit or ? win a money battle.

Problem is, Mavs have 151 mil on the books for next year b/c Luka's extension kicks in.

How can the Mavs have 151M on the books with so many holes on the roster? Lol

They have a lot of redundant role players.

Shooting wings: Tim (below-average defender but more dynamic scorer); Dorian Smith (great defender, only off-ball shooter, can play the 4); Bullock (great defender, only off-ball shooter), JOsh Green (can be a great defender and more dynamic scorer )

Bigs: Kleber (good defender, but inconsistent shooter), Powell (great rebounder/finisher but poor shooter and not very strong to defend heavy bigs), Bertans (great shooter, soft).

Secondary playmakers: Brunson (great scorer, defender but small) and Spencer (better slasher but not very efficient shooter)

End of bench bigs: Marquese and Boban (first one is more agile)

End of bench wings: Sterling and Frank (defensive players)

[aad]

Pistons are gonna steal him from the mavs

[Richard4444]

Hmm, from what I can find the teams with capspace will be:

Magic
Pistons
Pacers
Spurs
Blazers

Of those teams Blazers, Spurs, Pacers, Pistons already surely have the PG position locked up.

Would he goto the Magic? Maybe so he can prove how far he can go as the starting PG on a team. He'd probably instantly be their #1 option.

Magic has only Suggs, Cole, and Fultz in the PG spot.

[Mavrelous]

Jalen has played 2 good games against the Jazz. Does that alone get him paid?
Jazz's perimeter defense is weak, a lot of perimeter players are able to exploit it.

Take a look at how Jalen was ineffective against the clippers in last year's playoffs for 5 out of the 7 games.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01/gamelog-playoffs/
I think the real calibration of Jalen's abilities is taking the average of the 2 series; which is to say he'll give you 15 points a game on decent efficiency.

He's not a 25/yr player, even his agent when Brunson had a great run when Luka was out shot high and send out reports he's looking for 20/yr.
That's why the Pistons are dangerous, they have Cade on 3 year rookie scale, another top pick at 4 year rookie scale, they can overpay, they have nothing better to do with the money.
Clippers were a bad matchup for him, not many team can put a lineup of Reggie Jackson and 4 6'8 long athletic wings to suffocate the hell out of the opposing backcourt, you need a strong inside presence to punish them or a walking mismatch who'll bully them like Luka.

[gottamakeit]

Jalen has played 2 good games against the Jazz. Does that alone get him paid?
Jazz's perimeter defense is weak, a lot of perimeter players are able to exploit it.

Take a look at how Jalen was ineffective against the clippers in last year's playoffs for 5 out of the 7 games.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brunsja01/gamelog-playoffs/
I think the real calibration of Jalen's abilities is taking the average of the 2 series; which is to say he'll give you 15 points a game on decent efficiency.

He's not a 25/yr player, even his agent when Brunson had a great run when Luka was out shot high and send out reports he's looking for 20/yr.
That's why the Pistons are dangerous, they have Cade on 3 year rookie scale, another top pick at 4 year rookie scale, they can overpay, they have nothing better to do with the money.
Clippers were a bad matchup for him, not many team can put a lineup of Reggie Jackson and 4 6'8 long athletic wings to suffocate the hell out of the opposing backcourt, you need a strong inside presence to punish them or a walking mismatch who'll bully them like Luka.

I think Brunson gives the Mavs a discount to play meaningful bball. Not to mention that he is better suited next to a strong playmaker where he can just focus on scoring and attacking.

The Mavs will & should move heaven and earth to resign him. Because if they lose him, they have no avenue to replace him with a similar player/production

[alevirfe]

I think he will get $104m-116m over 4 years, which is 20-22% of the salary cap.

Dallas can offer the 8% raises or the 5 years..

wooow. I wouldnt bite at that price tag

I'll admit I haven't paid close enough attention to the Mavs/Brunson, but that seems way too high for an undersized score first PG

Well he will be in his prime for this whole contract. He's tracking to be as good as Brogdon but without the same injury issues.

He's not really score first either.

I feel like Fred Vanvleet is a good analog for Brunson, would you agree?

Fred at 25 years old, coming off of a strong 2019-2020 season/playoffs where he averaged 17.6/6.6/3.8, signed a 4 year $85M contract in free agency. Raps locked up Fred in his prime and he's already outperformed. not to turn this into a comparison of the two, but Fred is a much better defender/volume 3pt shooter

I guess another $6-8M annually for Brunson with the cap projected to increase again does make sense, especially with Brunson carrying the leverage of (likely) a couple other suitors and Dallas' cap situation. ultimately if Luka approves, it's a no brainer

now that I talk myself through it you're definitely on point. it's just the sticker shock of $110M

[zimpy27]

wooow. I wouldnt bite at that price tag

I'll admit I haven't paid close enough attention to the Mavs/Brunson, but that seems way too high for an undersized score first PG

Well he will be in his prime for this whole contract. He's tracking to be as good as Brogdon but without the same injury issues.

He's not really score first either.

I feel like Fred Vanvleet is a good analog for Brunson, would you agree?

Fred at 25 years old, coming off of a strong 2019-2020 season/playoffs where he averaged 17.6/6.6/3.8, signed a 4 year $85M contract in free agency. Raps locked up Fred in his prime and he's already outperformed. not to turn this into a comparison of the two, but Fred is a much better defender/volume 3pt shooter

I guess another $6-8M annually for Brunson with the cap projected to increase again does make sense, especially with Brunson carrying the leverage of (likely) a couple other suitors and Dallas' cap situation. ultimately if Luka approves, it's a no brainer

now that I talk myself through it you're definitely on point. it's just the sticker shock of $110M

Brunson had better stats this season than FVV did in 19-20. He's not the defensive player that FVV is but he's a better offensive player.

I think they comp well though and I think Fred was at about 18-19% of cap then. 104/4 is 20% cap next season. I think the better offensive stats and the lift when playing without Luka will get Brunson paid.

Also FVV was prob underpaid. So another example to give more.

[alevirfe]

it's crazy that the Indiana/Malcolm Brogdon contract really set the market for a lot of these second/third option guards. and now with the cap increasing the prices are headed north of $100M

[dirkdiggler4177]

Brunson is a small scoring guard that works best as a 6th man or secondary ballhandler. I would say 20*4 before tonights game, now I'm up at 22.5 mill.

[alevirfe]

Well he will be in his prime for this whole contract. He's tracking to be as good as Brogdon but without the same injury issues.

He's not really score first either.

I feel like Fred Vanvleet is a good analog for Brunson, would you agree?

Fred at 25 years old, coming off of a strong 2019-2020 season/playoffs where he averaged 17.6/6.6/3.8, signed a 4 year $85M contract in free agency. Raps locked up Fred in his prime and he's already outperformed. not to turn this into a comparison of the two, but Fred is a much better defender/volume 3pt shooter

I guess another $6-8M annually for Brunson with the cap projected to increase again does make sense, especially with Brunson carrying the leverage of (likely) a couple other suitors and Dallas' cap situation. ultimately if Luka approves, it's a no brainer

now that I talk myself through it you're definitely on point. it's just the sticker shock of $110M

Brunson had better stats this season than FVV did in 19-20. He's not the defensive player that FVV is but he's a better offensive player.

I think they comp well though and I think Fred was at about 18-19% of cap then. 104/4 is 20% cap next season. I think the better offensive stats and the lift when playing without Luka will get Brunson paid.

Also FVV was prob underpaid. So another example to give more.

pretty debatable who had the better season IMO. their per 36 numbers are almost identical. Brunson was more efficient but I think it's negligible when comparing their games (Brunson scores on the inside and Fred is the superior shooter). I'm surprised Brunson doesn't go to the line more

we're also looking at Fred's contract in hindsight. at the time he definitely wasn't considered underpaid

ultimately it doesn't really matter what Brunson gets paid since Dallas can't do anything else anyways. fans are basically looking out for Cuban's wallet if they take issue with the salary

[Mavrelous]

wooow. I wouldnt bite at that price tag

I'll admit I haven't paid close enough attention to the Mavs/Brunson, but that seems way too high for an undersized score first PG

Well he will be in his prime for this whole contract. He's tracking to be as good as Brogdon but without the same injury issues.

He's not really score first either.

I feel like Fred Vanvleet is a good analog for Brunson, would you agree?

Fred at 25 years old, coming off of a strong 2019-2020 season/playoffs where he averaged 17.6/6.6/3.8, signed a 4 year $85M contract in free agency. Raps locked up Fred in his prime and he's already outperformed. not to turn this into a comparison of the two, but Fred is a much better defender/volume 3pt shooter

I guess another $6-8M annually for Brunson with the cap projected to increase again does make sense, especially with Brunson carrying the leverage of (likely) a couple other suitors and Dallas' cap situation. ultimately if Luka approves, it's a no brainer

now that I talk myself through it you're definitely on point. it's just the sticker shock of $110M

Brunson is a better offensive player than FVV, his main selling point is how good of a finisher he is under the rim and his shifty handles, but he's worse defensively, I think they are comparable in terms of impact, but offense is valued more at the PG position so I wouldn't be surprised if he got more.