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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#621 » by M-C-G » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:27 pm

Treebeard wrote:I have to admit, that I have no feel where the Packer draft will go next week. There's 12-15 guys I think I'd be happy with right now at #22 and #28, but it won't surprise me one bit if they trade up or stand pat. Given the very narrow SB window, trading back seems less likely, as instant results are required (your mileage may very on what pick gets you there). By that same narrow SB window measure, I'm coming around to the idea that the draftee age issue may not be as much of a factor to Gute this time. There's different logic in play here.

I'd be surprised if they trade for a vet WR, unless it's a guy with a couple of years left on his contract, and isn't **** crazy. The WR contract chaos is going to cause problems for teams.

I think I'll be happy if they get at least one of a topflight WR, DL, OL in the first two rounds. I won't cry if there's an value Edge, CB, SS or ILB in those top two rounds. Wishy-washy? Absolutely, but with this crazy list of prospects and the Pack's situation, thats the best I got.


Lockett seems like the guy that would cost less than a first, could earn Rodgers trust quickly and I think is signed for a couple more years. Trading a 2nd might get it done.

Still think missing out on Amari Cooper for peanuts in draft capital stinks


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Post#622 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:35 pm

This is the most interesting Packers draft in a long time. Looking forward to it. And with no top QB's the whole first round should be pretty wild.
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Post#623 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:43 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
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ReasonablySober wrote:The reason why I don't think we trade for a WR is because the Packers just let a WR they didn't want to pay walk out the door. If you're spending a 1st on Brown, DK, Deebo, or McLaurin, you're just going to have to give them a new deal too AND you've used up draft capitol that could have nabbed a WR on the cheap.


What you meant to say was that the Packers strained the relationship with Davante so badly that even a hail mary offer, one that actually trumped the Raiders' largest-WR-contract-in-NFL-history, wasn't enough to change his mind. They tried to keep him. But the damage was already done. Thanks to their ineptitude. I think the Packers would pay another receiver for sure. That said, I'd prefer to go the Claypool route. Love both of those Barnwell trade ideas.


I love that you're simply assuming ineptitude rather than the plainly obvious reason of a guy wanting to play with his best friend in a city where he owns a house.


Ok, fine. Say the relationship between Davante and the Packers was great. It wasn't by all accounts leading up to the trade and by all accounts post trade. But for fun, lets just pretend it was great. (reminder: it wasn't) And playing with Derek Carr in sunny, hot Las Vegas simply outweighed a great relationship with the organization and a once-in-a-generation QB/WR connection with Aaron Rodgers. The sole issue being wholly terrible, cold, nothing-to-do, Green Bay. The Packers still tried to pay him. They could try to pay another receiver.
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Post#624 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:44 pm

I think that Seattle deal would be nice for both teams, I just don't like moving up for a WR. But if I was doing a top of my head wish list I'd probably go:

1 - Gardner
2 - Johnson II
3 - Thibodeaux
4 - Hutchinson
5 - Cross
5 - Neal
6 - Ekwonu
7 - Hamilton
8 - Stingley Jr.
9 - Davis
10 - Walker

Getting one of those ten would make that trade worth it.
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Post#625 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:45 pm

JimmyTheKid wrote:
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What you meant to say was that the Packers strained the relationship with Davante so badly that even a hail mary offer, one that actually trumped the Raiders' largest-WR-contract-in-NFL-history, wasn't enough to change his mind. They tried to keep him. But the damage was already done. Thanks to their ineptitude. I think the Packers would pay another receiver for sure. That said, I'd prefer to go the Claypool route. Love both of those Barnwell trade ideas.


I love that you're simply assuming ineptitude rather than the plainly obvious reason of a guy wanting to play with his best friend in a city where he owns a house.


Ok, fine. Say the relationship between Davante and the Packers was great. It wasn't by all accounts leading up to the trade and by all accounts post trade. But for fun, lets just pretend it was great. (reminder: it wasn't) And playing with Derek Carr in sunny, hot Las Vegas simply outweighed a great relationship with the organization and a once-in-a-generation QB/WR connection with Aaron Rodgers. The sole issue being wholly terrible, cold, nothing-to-do, Green Bay. The Packers still tried to pay him. They could try to pay another receiver.


I don't see it happening, but

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Post#626 » by Treebeard » Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:46 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:This is the most interesting Packers draft in a long time. Looking forward to it. And with no top QB's the whole first round should be pretty wild.


Another one of my wishy-washy thoughts pulled out of my backside, is that a team or two gets the QB fever and picks one of those "meh" guys way too early and that leads to a shift in where better prospects fall.

Or, on a related note, somebody bites on trading for Mayfield or Garappolo on draft night and that generates other chaos.
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Post#627 » by emunney » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:04 pm

Can somebody explain to me why Jelani Woods isn't a 1st round pick? I'm watching some cut ups of him and he doesn't look like a developmental guy to me, he looks like an OT who can run and catch. What an absolute freak.
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Post#628 » by Matches Malone » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:13 pm

emunney wrote:Can somebody explain to me why Jelani Woods isn't a 1st round pick? I'm watching some cut ups of him and he doesn't look like a developmental guy to me, he looks like an OT who can run and catch. What an absolute freak.


He's a late bloomer. I think he started as a Quarterback? He's an athletic freak though, just needs to keep refining his skills with route running. His run blocking is surprisingly decent.
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Post#629 » by M-C-G » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:19 pm

emunney wrote:Can somebody explain to me why Jelani Woods isn't a 1st round pick? I'm watching some cut ups of him and he doesn't look like a developmental guy to me, he looks like an OT who can run and catch. What an absolute freak.


When I first heard about him, I looked into it for a second. I think he is an outstanding athletic specimen but only has one year with any real production and I will be 24 shortly. So if you think you have another two years of development work or whatever, you aren't getting much bang for your buck with a first.

Not many soon to be 24 year old raw TE get early draft capital, I'd guess anyway. Darren Waller was a 6th round pick with pretty limited college production, for reference.
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Post#630 » by emunney » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:39 pm

M-C-G wrote:
emunney wrote:Can somebody explain to me why Jelani Woods isn't a 1st round pick? I'm watching some cut ups of him and he doesn't look like a developmental guy to me, he looks like an OT who can run and catch. What an absolute freak.


When I first heard about him, I looked into it for a second. I think he is an outstanding athletic specimen but only has one year with any real production and I will be 24 shortly. So if you think you have another two years of development work or whatever, you aren't getting much bang for your buck with a first.

Not many soon to be 24 year old raw TE get early draft capital, I'd guess anyway. Darren Waller was a 6th round pick with pretty limited college production, for reference.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say Waller should have gone higher :)
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Post#631 » by M-C-G » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:06 pm

Did a PFF for fun, didn't like the value so traded down twice;
31 Pickens
33 Travis Jones DT
53 Josh Paschal EDGE
59 Abraham Lucas OT
63 Nick Cross S
70 Marcus Jones CB/KR
92 David Bell WR
95 Jelani Woods TE
132 Demarri Mathis CB (profiles maybe for that Star position)
197 Dane Bolton S
235 Makai Polk WR (big physical WR prospect that put up numbers in the SEC)

I'd feel mighty fine with that kind of draft. 8 picks in the top 100.
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Post#632 » by M-C-G » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:48 pm

Chigoziem Okonkwo seems like a pretty high upside, mid round TE prospect.

Maryland tight end Chigoziem Okonkwo is a physically impressive specimen who will move the needle for NFL teams looking to add strong receiving ability to the middle of the field. The Terrapins found a number of ways to get Okonkwo involved in the passing game, utilizing him up the seam, working as a slice target in the shallows, and even drawing up a number of TE screens for him in order to keep him as a constant threat. Okonkwo has high levels of run-after-catch upside as well and served as a punishing open-field runner who could stress you with both speed and power with the football. He’s still something of a work in progress as a blocker and I’m not certain he’s going to claim a high volume of snaps early on unless he goes to an offense that covets prioritizing his size as a target and is willing to forego involving him in the run game and in pass protection at all. Okonkwo missed the 2020 college season on account of myocarditis but made a triumphant return to the field and enjoyed a career season in just about every facet in 2021, finishing as the team’s second-leading receiver (52 receptions) and tied for the team lead in receiving touchdowns (5).


Right away, Okonkwo falls short of the traditional mold at tight end. He measures at 6’2 1/2″ and 238 pounds. He does have good proportional length with near-33-inch arms, however, and he also has exceptional athleticism for his size. Okonkwo came in with a 4.52 40-yard dash and a 35.5-inch vertical at the NFL Combine, and that athleticism is visible on film.

Okonkwo has the speed and acceleration to stretch the seam and work into space. He’s fairly explosive out of his stance, and he’s also a twitchy mover who can pressure DBs one way and break another. Beyond his RAC work, Okonkwo’s explosiveness also shows up in his route running. He shows good acceleration out of his breaks. He can sink and explode outside with relative ease.

Okonkwo has the necessary athleticism, but his frame is also a big part of his athletic profile. The Maryland TE has a dense frame, and with it comes great contact balance. Okonkwo has a strong center of gravity, and he keeps his legs churning through contact. He can withstand and absorb hits, and he can also stiff-arm and shed arm tackles in space. Okonkwo is a great run-after-catch threat, and a lot of that ability stems from his physical makeup.

Okonkwo’s athleticism and frame also afford him great versatility. He can line up inline or in the slot, and he can be used as an H-back on option plays.
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Post#633 » by M-C-G » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:49 pm

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Post#634 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:43 pm

WIDE RECEIVERS

1. GARRETT WILSON, Ohio State (5-11 ½, 184, 4.40, 1): Third-year junior was the Buckeyes’ No. 3 receiver as a freshman before starting the past two years. “Love watching him play,” one scout said. “He’s extremely athletic, has great hands and is very tough. He’s got really good separation, is as twitchy as it gets, he’ll be fine (against press) and he’s strong. He’s exactly what a lot of teams are looking for. He doesn’t have ideal size, but outside of size I don’t think you could find anything wrong with him.” Caught 143 passes for 2,213 yards (15.4-yard average) and 23 touchdowns. “Has playmaking ability with his run after catch,” a second scout said. “Good compete and toughness. Does have some concentration drops. His routes could be more consistent. Needs to get stronger and battle for contested balls. He can align inside or out. Quality No. 2 is the floor for him. T.Y. Hilton became a No. 1 but you don’t normally see the 180-pound wide receiver becoming your No. 1.” His Wonderlic score of 24 was the highest among the top 10 wideouts. His father, Kenny, played briefly in the NBA. “He wasn’t a big believer in the weight room,” a third scout said. “He recognized the importance of it once he started training for the NFL. He really pushed himself in the weight room for six to eight weeks. It really helped him.” Elected not to bench press this spring. From Austin, Texas.

2. JAMESON WILLIAMS, Alabama (6-1 ½, 180, no 40, 1): Departed Ohio State after two backup seasons (15 total receptions). His only season for the Crimson Tide was one to remember as he caught passes, returned kickoffs (35.2) and covered punts, all with style. “He’s the one you could really hit on,” one scout said. “He’s the fastest guy in the draft. That guy can fly anywhere you want to put him. That just tells you what Ohio State had. But he’s skinnier than I am, and he’ll have a drop or two.” Third-year junior capped his career for Alabama with 79 receptions for 1,572 (19.9) and 15 TDs. “He got there (Tuscaloosa) and (John) Metchie did all the dirty work and they had Williams do all the vertical stuff,” a second scout said. “It was a nice match. (Benefited) a little bit being on a real good team with other players around him. I think he’s more of a speed merchant that takes the top off a defense. He’s got some bobbles. He’s got some double catches. He’s got some drops. He’s not real secure going inside. He’s sort of an outside vertical threat, which makes him a little bit one-dimensional. He’s slight of build. He’s not perfect, by any stretch. Little bit of a one-year wonder. But he can really roll.” Suffered a torn ACL in the National Championship Game and underwent surgery in mid-January. His speed was estimated by one scout at 4.32. “He’s more dynamic than Olave or Wilson,” a third scout said. “Excellent run after catch. He’s a deep-ball playmaker if you put the ball on him. There were some times he couldn’t make the extended catch. He’s better than Wilson and Olave, who played ahead of him at Ohio State.” Scored 14 on the Wonderlic. “So explosive,” a fourth scout said. “When they lost him, they lost the national championship.” From St. Louis. “Is he going to be (former teammate) Henry Ruggs, who goes to an offense that used him only for his deep vertical speed?” said a fifth scout. “He’s got some developing to do as a route runner. System will be more important to him than these other guys. And he’s coming off an injury so you don’t know if he can bring that same element.”

3. CHRIS OLAVE, Ohio State (6-0 ½, 185, 4.45, 1): Four-year player started for 2 ½ seasons. “I would take him by a fraction over Wilson,” one scout said. “He’s a really nifty athlete. Very smooth, really good route runner. What I like about Olave, this guy has been a major producer at a major program in big games for years. We’re leery of juniors with one-year production. Olave has legit three years production at a high level. He doesn’t have a great body type. That’s the biggest thumbs down on him. But he does not lack toughness. Used to cover kickoffs, used to be on the front line on kick returns. He’s really dangerous in the red zone because he’s such a good route runner and has good body control.” Caught 176 passes, third in Buckeyes’ history, for 2,711 (15.4) and 35 TDs. “He’s more of a smooth athlete whereas Wilson is more of a twitchy athlete,” said a second scout. “Not quite as strong and as tough after the catch as Wilson. There’s a gap between him and Wilson, but I do think he’ll be a good pro.” A third scout called him the safest wideout in the draft. “He could track down the field,” a fourth scout said. “He had good hands. I wish he caught a little more around his frame, though. He lacks strength in his play. I still think he’s a solid starter.” Wonderlic of 22. “He’s going to be a better pro than Wilson,” said a fifth scout. “I say that because for some reason the quarterbacks loved Olave. It’s probably dependability.” From San Ysidro, Calif. “He moves the sticks,” said a sixth scout. “He has a feel for zone. Clean in his routes. He can get vertical and produce against single coverage. Like him as a gunner covering punts. He’s not a true Round 1 player. He’s a No. 2 to a No. 3 wide receiver. More second- to third-round range. You just want to see more explosion and make-you-miss after the catch.”

4. DRAKE LONDON, Southern Cal (6-4, 213, no 40, 1): Third-year junior, three-year starter. “He’s so unique compared to these other guys,” one scout said. “He’s a problem because he’s a mismatch kind of player. If he doesn’t go Top 10 it’ll be very soon after.” Finished with 160 receptions in 27 games (23 starts) for 2,153 (13.5) and 15 TDs. “He’s a backboard,” the scout continued. “His catch radius is phenomenal. He can really go up and reel the ball in. He’s excellent on back-shoulder fades and posts, things he can use his body position. When he’s covered, he’s still open because of the radius and the length (33-inch arms) and his ability to play basketball in the red zone. Very forgiving target. He’s most similar to Mike Evans. I don’t know if he’s quite as fast as Evans but I’m not sure it really matters because he can do all the same things.” Was an outstanding basketball player at Moorpark, Calif., and even played two games for the USC basketball team after his freshman football campaign. “Intangibles aren’t awesome,” a second scout said. “It’s diva football character kind of deal. Coming off the injury. There have been some hits but there have been quite a few misses for the USC receiving corps.” Suffered an ankle injury after eight games in 2021 season and sat out the remainder of the season. Worked out for scouts April 15 in LA but didn’t run the 40. His speed was estimated by two scouts between 4.58 and 4.60. “His first three steps are explosive enough, but once he gets past five yards the lack of speed, you can see that,” a third scout said. “Everybody’s starting to **** on him because he didn’t run a 40. But he’s not getting out of the top 20.” Wonderlic of 19. “He can get off the jam but he can’t really get down the field,” a fourth scout said. “He can make acrobatic, over-the-top catches. He just has really unique skills, which he has to have because he’s not that fast.”

5. TREYLON BURKS, Arkansas (6-2, 224, 4.59, 1-2): Started all three of his three years in Fayetteville. “He’s a big, physical body but he’s not a great separator,” one scout said. “He doesn’t have top quickness. He’s a basketball body playing wide receiver. He’s going to have to learn how to run routes and how to work to get open. He is (a roll of the dice).” The vast majority of his snaps came from the slot or the backfield. Finished with 146 catches for 2,399 (16.4) and 18 TDs. “The comparison a lot of people draw is Deebo Samuel because he’s really good after the catch,” said another scout. “He’s very similar to (Laviska) Shenault. He’s tough with the ball in his hands but he’s not as physical as Deebo. He doesn’t have the compact movement and pad level like Deebo does, but he does have that strength. He’s not as good as Keenan Allen.” His arm length (33 ½) was the longest of the top 15 wideouts. Wonderlic of 11. “He has the best chance to (bust) because he is not a mental giant,” a third scout said. “He learned what they wanted him to do there, and they used him all over the place. I just think if he goes to the wrong team and they pencil him in as a Z or an X and don’t utilize him moving around, I think he’ll struggle. He’s really more of a running back that’s a wideout. He’s not super fast. He’s a little bit like Cordarrelle Patterson.” From Warren, Ark. “You’re going to have to develop him a little bit,” a fourth scout said. “The (concerns) are slot only, limited exposure, route-running ability, his 40. But he plays really fast.”

6. JAHAN DOTSON, Penn State (5-10 ½, 181, 4.44, 1-2): Started 38 of 42 games in a four-year career. “I’d rather have Dotson at the top of the second than Olave or Wilson (near) the top of the first,” said one scout. “He’s a very similar player.” Finished with 183 receptions for 2,757 (15.1) and 25 TDs. “Really good NFL deep speed,” said a second scout. “Good eye focus. Makes over-the-shoulder catches. Can get off the jam even lining up on the line of scrimmage as an X. Has some shake and acceleration inside and has the quickness to avoid the jam outside.” Solid punt returner with a 13.5 average in the last two seasons. “He’s better than KJ Hamler,” said a third scout. “Plays smart and aware. Instinctive, diminutive playmaker. He’s just small.” Wonderlic of 14. “Just a guy,” a fourth scout said. “I don’t see what people are making of him. He’s just OK. They scheme him open. Average size, average athlete. Does everything kind of average.” From Nazareth, Pa.

7. SKYY MOORE, Western Michigan (5-9 ½, 191, 4.44, 2): Third-year junior, three-year starter. “I compared him to Deebo,” one scout said. “He’s an athletic slot. He ran powerful, explosive routes. He has good hands. He can set a guy up once he had the ball in his hands. He had some games this year where he lit it up. It wasn’t just, you kind of chalk it up to kind of the MAC ****. He had good games against Pitt and San Jose State.” Finished with 171 receptions for 2,482 (14.5) and 16 TDs. “His hands were the biggest (10 ¼) in the class, which wasn’t surprising the way he catches the ball,” said a second scout. “He’s a tough guy, a smart player. He came on the radar late but he probably made a good decision coming out early. The combine helped him.” Compares favorably to D’Wayne Eskridge, Moore’s ex-teammate who was drafted in the second round by the Seahawks last year. “Eskridge was just a straight-line fast guy,” said a third scout. “This guy is the exact opposite. Knows how to play. He was their whole offense. I compared his run-after to a mini-Deebo Samuel because he breaks so many tackles. He’s just a player.” From New Kensington, Pa. “I ain’t seeing it,” a fourth scout said. “He’s a small slot receiver that doesn’t do returns. I don’t see an outside receiver because he’s not big or fast enough. I just don’t see the top-end speed, even at the pro day. I saw kind of an average guy.”

8. JOHN METCHIE, Alabama (5-11, 189, no 40, 2-3): Third-year junior, two-year starter. “More smooth, than fluid,” one scout said. “He’s got release quickness, crisp route runner, instinctive runner. More short and intermediate production with some deep-ball ability. Competitive and tough on screens. Will catch in a crowd. Reliable and steady. I didn’t see real elite deep speed or a second gear. He’s a No. 3 with the flexibility to play inside or out. Possibility to be a No. 2.” Suffered a torn ACL in the Southeastern Conference Championship Game. “The injury will hold him back,” said another scout. “I don’t know what he’d run. Nobody will know. You find out after you draft him. He’s a solid receiver. He won’t bust.” Was born in Taiwan, and also lived in Ghana and Canada. Played high-school ball in Hagerstown, Md. “Real dude,” said a third scout. “He’s a little faster than that (possession). More of a combo guy. Inside-outside-X-Z-slot. Can do it all.”

9. GEORGE PICKENS, Georgia (6-3, 200, 4.51, 2-3): Third-year junior led the team in receiving as a freshman non-starter. Finished with 90 catches for 1,347 (15.0) and 14 TDs. “He’s not a speed guy like Olave but he does have enough speed to run the full route tree,” one scout said. “He make catches at the high point. He can develop into a No. 3 rotational starter. Kind of a boom-or-bust prospect. A lot of his issues come off the field. Work habits, how he’s going to fit on a team. His talent level is up there with guys in the second and third round but a lot of people have him further down because of his football makeup and personal character.” Was thrown out of one game and suspended. Removed from one team’s draft board because of off-field issues. “Very talented,” a second scout said. “There’s some boom or bust with him. The injury, and being sort of coddled at Georgia … there’s maybe some football character concerns.” Suffered a torn ACL in 2021 spring practice and missed the first 11 games of the Bulldogs’ title season. “He’s got great ball skills,” a third scout said. “I wouldn’t take him in the second. He’s got a big ego. He’s not a bad guy.” A fourth scout said Pickens was his top-rated receiver coming off 2020 tape. “I kind of squashed him a little bit,” said a fifth scout. “He’s got talent, a **** of talent. But Georgia receivers never pan out.” From Hoover, Ala.

10. ALEC PIERCE, Cincinnati (6-3, 208, 4.44, 2-3): All-around athlete from Glen Ellyn, Ill., where he also participated in volleyball, track and basketball at Glenbard West. “He’s big and fast,” said one scout. “Straight-line and rigid, but he plays big and with urgency. He’s not really a good route runner but he can get down the field. He’s got decent enough hands. He won’t be a playmaker on the ball. He looks like he has that backup-special team temperament that you need. I’d take him probably third round, but somebody might jump on him earlier because he is big and can run and you can develop him. People still get enamored with that (size).” Finished with 106 receptions for 1,851 (17.5) and 13 TDs. “If you just watch his workout, you kind of think he’s sort of just a guy,” a second scout said. “But he is a gamer, man. He’s a physical receiver who isn’t afraid to take a hit. He’ll go up and get it. His workout was a little disappointing. His testing was pretty good, but he dropped some balls. He does have small hands (9), which shows up every once in a while on the quicker stuff where he has to track it and react quick. But on back-shoulder fades and jump balls, he’s all over that stuff. Excellent, excellent makeup. Played well in big games. Notre Dame. Ohio State a couple years ago.” His vertical jump of 40 ½ inches led the position. Wonderlic of 27. “I like him but he certainly doesn’t play to his speed,” a third scout said. “Not explosive. One speed, no burst. It wasn’t like they really relied on this guy. He was similar to London in that he was very strong in traffic.”

11. CHRISTIAN WATSON, North Dakota State (6-4, 208, 4.32, 2-3): Lightly recruited out of Tampa, he redshirted in 2017 and caught just nine passes in ’18 before starting for three years. “He’s a beautifully sculpted mold of clay that’s going to have to be developed,” one scout said. “He’s got the skill set and traits. Unfortunately, he played in an offense that runs the ball and never showcased his skills. He’ll be a really good slot receiver in the NFL.” Posted a career-best 43 receptions in 2021, pushing his career numbers to 105 receptions for 2,140 (20.4) and 14 TDs. His 40 time and Wonderlic score (38) were the best among the top 12 wideouts. “Reminded me a lot of Marquez Valdes-Scantling,” said a second scout. “Another 6-4 guy who ran 4.3. He’s going to need a lot of polish. Issue I have is, he played at North Dakota State and at one point he had a top-3 quarterback (Trey Lance) and he was never a dominant player. He had a lot of really good flashes but he never dominated. Most of the corners at that level are running 4.6, 4.7. Maybe some of that had to do with the offense. Guys with those traits that come from that level, like Vincent Jackson, they dominate.” His 11-4 broad jump led the position. “He doesn’t play as if he knows how to play or play aggressively,” said a third scout. “He plays like a small-school guy that’s got some decent tools. He’s a fifth-year guy so I don’t know how much upside he has. He’s a linear, straight-line, build-up speed guy. I don’t see him as a starter.”

12. DAVID BELL, Purdue (6-1, 209, 4.69, 3): Declared a year early after starting 26 of 29 games over three seasons. “Dynamite football player,” one scout said before the combine. “Routes, ball skills, sneaky after the catch because he’s instinctive. He just can’t run. I’d be shocked if he breaks 4.6. You can have one guy like him in your wide-receiver room.” When Bell barely broke 4.7, another scout lowered his grade by three rounds. “It’ll be hard for some teams to even consider him with that kind of number,” he said. “He’s definitely good enough to give a shot to. I think he’ll ultimately be fine in the NFL because he runs good routes and has good hands and is able to create enough separation. But speed is real, and it does make a difference.” Finished with 232 catches, fourth in Boilermakers’ history, for 2,935 (12.7) and 21 TDs. “I didn’t see much in him,” said a third scout. “He catches a ton of balls because they scheme him a lot. Just one gear. Never gets separation. Has to push off. Drops the ball for being that kind of guy.” From Indianapolis.

13. JALEN TOLBERT, South Alabama (6-1, 193, 4.52, 3): Suffered a knee injury as a freshman in 2017 and redshirted. Played four seasons, starting the final three. “Baseball player,” said one scout. “Went there to play both. Then he hurt his knee and focused on football. He’s a good fit for this West Coast offense all these teams are running because he is very versatile. He makes plays. You cannot discount this kid’s playmaking ability. Second round is a little rich, but people will be all over him in the third. He’s sturdier than the top guys. He’ll be close to 200 (pounds). Little more rocked-up than those other guys. I like him as an underneath guy and I think he runs good enough to get over the top.” Finished with 178 receptions for 3,140 (17.6) and 22 TDs. Wonderlic of 27. “He’s got really good hands but he had too many concentration drops,” another scout said. “He tries to run too much before the catch. He’s basically their entire offense. He is talented.” From Mobile, Ala.

14. TYQUAN THORNTON, Baylor (6-2 ½, 183, 4.30, 3-4): Ran the fastest 40 by a wideout this year. “I know he’s skinny as a stick but I see quickness and great speed,” said one scout. “He’s explosive. He can get vertical. He’s just got to get stronger and put on some weight, but those are things you can do. He’s a big-play threat waiting to happen. He’s a better version of Darius Slayton or Will Fuller. What (Henry) Ruggs was. He’s got that caliber impact. But this guy can actually run routes.” Has tiny hands (8 ¼). “That league (Big 12) does have some speed and he just ran by people,” said a second scout. “Quick feet, loose hips, good change of direction. He runs through the deep ball. A lot of guys try to lunge at the deep ball. He doesn’t get his arms up until the last minute.” Finished with 143 receptions for 2,242 (15.7) and 19 TDs. “Just smooth,” a third scout said. “Just an immature kid. I think once he gets into a pro camp he’ll be fine. He looks like more of a track guy than a football guy. Looks like an 800-meter guy.” From Miami.
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Post#635 » by M-C-G » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:07 pm

So interesting comparison when you look at the PFF top 10 WR list;

Jameson
Drake
Wilson
Olave
Moore
Pickens
Burks
Tolbert
Dotson
Metchie
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Post#636 » by RRyder823 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:17 pm

CBS mock draft has us taking Elam at 22 and Dean at 28.

Not nothing against either guy (I especially like Elam) but damn if you want to piss off fans take a CB and a ILB this year

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Post#637 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:29 pm

I don't see the Packers taking an ILB in the first two days, if at all, but them taking Dean or Chenal would make my draft weekend. For different reasons they're two of my favorite players in the class and I think they're both going to be awesome pros.
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Post#638 » by DrWood » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:31 am

emunney wrote:Can somebody explain to me why Jelani Woods isn't a 1st round pick? I'm watching some cut ups of him and he doesn't look like a developmental guy to me, he looks like an OT who can run and catch. What an absolute freak.

Because he lacks skill.
Obviously he could contribute immediately on special teams.
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Post#639 » by DrWood » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:36 am

M-C-G wrote:Did a PFF for fun, didn't like the value so traded down twice;
31 Pickens
33 Travis Jones DT
53 Josh Paschal EDGE
59 Abraham Lucas OT
63 Nick Cross S
70 Marcus Jones CB/KR
92 David Bell WR
95 Jelani Woods TE
132 Demarri Mathis CB (profiles maybe for that Star position)
197 Dane Bolton S
235 Makai Polk WR (big physical WR prospect that put up numbers in the SEC)

I'd feel mighty fine with that kind of draft. 8 picks in the top 100.

Your first 6 are guys I pick frequently, and I covet a few of those guys.
The other guys I never pick, except Woods on a later pick, and only if I haven't taken McBride earlier.
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Post#640 » by sdn40 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:54 am

For as great as this WR class is supposed to be, every guy has legit concerns. Toss in GB's size and agility thresholds, and it makes it pretty difficult to forecast anything with any type of accuracy as far as how GB may rank these guys. Probably another under the radar guy ala Jennings or Nelson.

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