2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Merit]

https://clutchpoints.com/heat-rumors-jimmy-butler-shockingly-told-erik-spoelstra-that-he-does-not-want-to-play-with-victor-oladipo/?utm_source=vuukle&utm_medium=talk_of_town

Not sure how reliable, but if Jimmy doesn't want to play with Dipo - the Raps should definitely swoop in.

Swoop in for Victor, or Jimmy?


Victor did play tonight, were they ever on court together? I watched parts of it but hadn't heard this rumor then.

Turns out that Jimmy and Victor hugged it out (on camera) and directly referenced skip’s incorrect perspective. I’m keeping the Dipo candle burning as long as I can though!

[Ell Curry]

Realistic Fred trades:

- to the bulls for Ball. They love Caruso. He’s going nowhere.
- to the knicks for toppin or Quickley and Noel. They love RJ, he’s not available.
- to lakers for nun, THT and their 2027 pick. Try to pry their 2029 pick as well. Would be good for the picks. If lakers are desperate, can get both. Raps fans won’t like this one but Masai is clearly high on THT.
- pelicans - none of their top guys available but I can see them making an offer. I can see spurs making an offer too.

I think Fred gets you the 12th pick from New York. Pelicans won't trade valuable rotation guys, but again that pick will probably be moved to improve the team for next season. Ball could be available, so could Patrick Williams from the Bulls.

Wizards, Knicks and Pels could all use a PG quite badly (maybe not the Pels, they might be better off with CJ, 3 wings and a big with some Alvarado minutes once they move Graham), and only Tyty make sense at that draft area of 10-12, so I wouldn't be surprised if one offers their pick for Fred. The only contract from those teams that could be adde that I see that helps us though is probably Caldwell-Pope who can hit 3s and play some D for a year as backup Trent, and I doubt Masai loves the guys around at 10-12 because we traded what we probably thought was like the 17th pick for Thad and the 33rd, and guys slip from 12 to 17 all the damn time.

[Kingsway_fan]

If we could get a top 8 pick i would move Fred...

[C-R-E-A-M-]

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[Scottie4Bro]

If we trade Fred in the offseason or by the deadline then I really hope there is an actual, concerted effort to develop Scottie as a PG. Really integrate him into the system or even create a system to maximize his passing strengths and actually run plays with him in mind.

I would be interested in seeing if a 3-team scenario could be setup involving Fred and Mo Bamba S&T swap, with some more pieces coming in to equalize it. That allows Precious to essentially become our 6th man and potentially shore up the bench even more with some additional pieces.

[Zeno]

If the Nets told Kyle to go away and Durant wanted a trade, imagine a lineup of Scottie, OG, Durant, Pascal, Precious. with Khem, Thad, Boucher off the bench...

Fred,Trent and a package of picks and swaps for Durant.

[Psubs]

If the Nets told Kyle to go away and Durant wanted a trade, imagine a lineup of Scottie, OG, Durant, Pascal, Precious. with Khem, Thad, Boucher off the bench...

Fred,Trent and a package of picks and swaps for Durant.

I like it.

PG Scottie - Banton - Flynn
SG Durant - Champagnie
SF OG - Thaddeus
PF Siakam - Boucher
C Precious - Birch



Maybe Fred goes to New Orleans with a first pick for Zion going to Brooklyn?

[Raptors_128]

Wizards and Pistons are the teams to watch for a Fred trade imo.

Wizards are about to pay Beal $200+ mill and need a PG after trading away Dinwiddie. Their last few 1st round picks have been underwhelming (Brown Jr., Hachimura, Avdija, Kispert) and seem more like role players. Maybe they’ll be more inclined to trade for an “all-star” PG instead of a mystery box.

Something like Kuzma/KCP + Avdija + 10 for FVV might make sense.

Apparently the Pistons plan to be aggressive in the off-season. Heavy rumours of them wanting Brunson and offering him big money. If the strike out on Brunson which is likely, Fred would be the next guy that makes sense.

Something like Grant + 46 for FVV might make sense here.

[Psubs]

Wizards and Pistons are the teams to watch for a Fred trade imo.

Wizards are about to pay Beal $200+ mill and need a PG after trading away Dinwiddie. Their last few 1st round picks have been underwhelming (Brown Jr., Hachimura, Avdija, Kispert) and seem more like role players. Maybe they’ll be more inclined to trade for an “all-star” PG instead of a mystery box.

Something like Kuzma/KCP + Avdija + 10 for FVV might make sense.

Apparently the Pistons plan to be aggressive in the off-season. Heavy rumours of them wanting Brunson and offering him big money. If the strike out on Brunson which is likely, Fred would be the next guy that makes sense.

Something like Grant + 46 for FVV might make sense here.

I'd swap Grant and top 4 protected 1st pick (2023) for FVV and 2023 2nd pick.

[Raptors_128]

Wizards and Pistons are the teams to watch for a Fred trade imo.

Wizards are about to pay Beal $200+ mill and need a PG after trading away Dinwiddie. Their last few 1st round picks have been underwhelming (Brown Jr., Hachimura, Avdija, Kispert) and seem more like role players. Maybe they’ll be more inclined to trade for an “all-star” PG instead of a mystery box.

Something like Kuzma/KCP + Avdija + 10 for FVV might make sense.

Apparently the Pistons plan to be aggressive in the off-season. Heavy rumours of them wanting Brunson and offering him big money. If the strike out on Brunson which is likely, Fred would be the next guy that makes sense.

Something like Grant + 46 for FVV might make sense here.

I'd swap Grant and top 4 protected 1st pick (2023) for FVV and 2023 2nd pick.

Honestly I don’t even want Grant. He apparently wants a black coach, $100+ mill extension, and wants to be one of the top scoring options on the team so it will probably be a 1-year run with him.

I would prefer their lottery pick this year plus some bench pieces. Maybe if the drop to 5-6 it might make sense.

Olynyk + Diallo + Joseph + top-5 pick for FVV

[Madhouse]

Wizards and Pistons are the teams to watch for a Fred trade imo.

Wizards are about to pay Beal $200+ mill and need a PG after trading away Dinwiddie. Their last few 1st round picks have been underwhelming (Brown Jr., Hachimura, Avdija, Kispert) and seem more like role players. Maybe they’ll be more inclined to trade for an “all-star” PG instead of a mystery box.

Something like Kuzma/KCP + Avdija + 10 for FVV might make sense.

Apparently the Pistons plan to be aggressive in the off-season. Heavy rumours of them wanting Brunson and offering him big money. If the strike out on Brunson which is likely, Fred would be the next guy that makes sense.

Something like Grant + 46 for FVV might make sense here.

That Wizards package would be amazing but I can't see them offering that. The Detroit package on the other hand seems weak, Grant isn't that good imo.

Wonder if the Pistons see the allure in Freddy Allstar and we could get Bey and Stewart from them.

[Raptors_128]

Wizards and Pistons are the teams to watch for a Fred trade imo.

Wizards are about to pay Beal $200+ mill and need a PG after trading away Dinwiddie. Their last few 1st round picks have been underwhelming (Brown Jr., Hachimura, Avdija, Kispert) and seem more like role players. Maybe they’ll be more inclined to trade for an “all-star” PG instead of a mystery box.

Something like Kuzma/KCP + Avdija + 10 for FVV might make sense.

Apparently the Pistons plan to be aggressive in the off-season. Heavy rumours of them wanting Brunson and offering him big money. If the strike out on Brunson which is likely, Fred would be the next guy that makes sense.

Something like Grant + 46 for FVV might make sense here.

That Wizards package would be amazing but I can't see them offering that. The Detroit package on the other hand seems weak, Grant isn't that good imo.

Wonder if the Pistons see the allure in Freddy Allstar and we could get Bey and Stewart from them.

Bey would be awesome but he’s part of their core I think. Cade/Bey are probably the only untouchables there.

Casey loves Fred but I have no idea if he has that kind of pull in their organization.

There was interest from the Pistons when Fred was a UFA I believe and Fred has only gotten better since then so you never know.

[sidsid]

Wishcasting nonsense:

Not necessarily the best player, but Paul George would be the perfect fit in terms of getting that last vision guy. He's only a part time superstar, but one of the best catch and shoot 3pt guys in the league. Great release valve for when the offense sputters while not needing to dominate the ball all of the time.

Combinea all the best parts of Fred/Trent/Norm without any of the liabilities. Just a perfect fit to be a contender.

[wegotthabeet]

if Portland remains at like pick #7 I think we need to package anything we can to get Shaedon Sharpe...

They may still be trying to win now because of Lilliard..

Does a package involving FVV + GTJ + future 1st round pick give us a chance?

What do people think? Sharpe is gonna be a star and Canadian, can we consolidate pieces for their pick?

I think all three picks in the 6 to 8 range could be available (Portland, Sacramento, New Orleans). Been a fan of Sharpe for a while, also like Mathurin too, would target either or both.

Trade 1

To Sacramento: Vanvleet + 32nd overall pick 2022
To Toronto: Holiday, Harkless, Len, Metu + 7th overall pick 2022 (Sharpe)

Sacramento desperately needs a guy like FVV that can come in and change the culture of the franchise. The Haliburton trade signals a push to make the playoffs next year. Not sure if this is enough to get it done, but aside from the pick they aren't giving up much.

Trade 2

To New Orleans: Trent Jr. + future 1st round pick 2023 (lotto protected)
To Toronto: Nance, Temple + 8th overall pick 2022 (Mathurin)

New Orleans could use another big guard that can defend and stretch the floor. They are looking to take the next step. Again aside from the pick they aren't giving up much. Nance can replace some Boucher's production.

Barnes - Banton
Holiday - Sharpe
Anunoby - Mathurin
Siakam - Nance
Achiuwa - Birch

Flynn - Brooks- Champagnie - Young

They could go into the 2023 off season with Siakam, Anunoby, Barnes, Achiuwa, Sharpe, Mathurinm, Banton, Champagnie, Brooks and either Birch or Young and create a max spot.

If Toronto pulled off both deals I would be shocked, I think one of the picks they look at Duren rather then two wings. If you could get both Sharpe and Duren for Freddy and GTJ and a lotto protected pick you do that.

I went the assumption that he'll be off the board by 7 or 8.

For what it's worth I think it's highly unlikely the Raps trade either guy let alone both.

[agkagk]

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hes injured and he still sets the tone.


theres little to zero chance of us improving by trading fred and masai isnt going backwards.


Fred's our general, get used to it.

Precious, trent, barnes. Three players who have improved night and day while playing under fred's influence.

Hes better at his age then lowry was.

why do i read this thread lol

[Madhouse]

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hes injured and he still sets the tone.


theres little to zero chance of us improving by trading fred and masai isnt going backwards.


Fred's our general, get used to it.

Precious, trent, barnes. Three players who have improved night and day while playing under fred's influence.

Hes better at his age then lowry was.

why do i read this thread lol

the future starting lineup is Precious, Trent, Barnes, Siakam and OG.

Also saying he is better than Lowry at 28 is extremely laughable.

But even more laughable that you think a talent like Barnes needs someone like FVV to improve. If anything it was the acquisition of Young that let Barnes and Achiuwa grow.

[Holla]

Anyway we can grab Christian wood? I think he'll fit perfect in our system.

[Morris_Shatford]

I think Masai moving FVV, GTJ, or whoever for a mixed package of smaller deals and mid to late-ish lotto picks isn't going to be the likely outcome of the summer.

Masai allowed DeRozan/Lowry to run it back for five seasons before making that major deal and even then it was for an established piece rather than parts.

Investigating the value for FVV or GTJ likely gets done simply because they are both almost certain to opt out in the summer of 2023 making them essentially expiring deals.

While one may get moved at some-point next season I really think given that Masai has some fairly higher end young pieces in OG and Barnes and some promising ones beyond that the goal would likely be to move one big contract plus "stuff" for a better player with a better positional fit.

Even with that said, I wouldn't put it beyond Masai to run in back as is with minor additions around the edge next season and end up retaining both guys the following summer.

[Morris_Shatford]

Anyway we can grab Christian wood? I think he'll fit perfect in our system.

If the Rox don't move him at the draft or over the summer I think he becomes a more palatable trade target because you essentially trading for the balance of next season as well as his bird rights.

If he is still with the Rox around December of next season, I don't think the cost to add him would be prohibitive at all.
If you want to be the team that gives him that next deal is an entirely different question.

[Holla]

Anyway we can grab Christian wood? I think he'll fit perfect in our system.

If the Rox don't move him at the draft or over the summer I think he becomes a more palatable trade target because you essentially trading for the balance of next season as well as his bird rights.

If he is still with the Rox around December of next season, I don't think the cost to add him would be prohibitive at all.
If you want to be the team that gives him that next deal is an entirely different question.

That's true, he is right now at 13-14m a season which is a bargain for the next 1-2 years I believe. He does put up numbers and is a great defensive C that will pair well with Pascal.

Wood
Capella
Turner
Allen
Ayton

Any of these C if we can aquire for a Fvv ++ trade would be a win giving the reigns to Barnes at PG and we can go with the longboizz lineup. Imo if we have a big defensive C, we can be a ECF+ team