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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#701 » by Kobewade11 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:56 pm


That program has churned out four undrafted players (Robinson, Martin, Max Strus and Gabe Vincent) who are part of the current playing rotation for the East’s top seed, and a fifth (Ömer Yurtseven) who may very well be part of it next year.

The ironic butterfly effect of Miami’s continued success in this area is that those very players may be the ones who push Robinson aside. The Heat seemingly generated a better version of the same player for themselves in Strus, a long-range bomber like Robinson but with more strength and quick-twitch athleticism. He’s two years younger, is signed through next season on a minimum deal, and replaced Robinson in the starting lineup late in the regular season. Meanwhile, the defense of Martin and Vincent have made it much easier to concoct functional bench units sans Robinson, especially in pairings with Herro.

As for Oladipo, he’s only 29 (yes, really), and is in a rarely seen contractual situation: He’s on a one-year minimum deal, but the Heat will have full Bird rights on him because they traded for him at the 2021 trade deadline. If he plays well, the Heat will be in the driver’s seat to retain him without cap constraints. Additionally, Strus, Vincent and Yurtseven already are signed to minimum deals through 2023.






For a team like Miami which is famous for its offseason whale-hunting, one can imagine a draft-day deal sending out Robinson, the 2022 first and the 2023 first, to target a big forward who can play between Jimmy Butler and Adebayo. (This normally wouldn’t be allowed by the Stepien Rule, but teams can finesse this on draft night to select a player the other team wants with their first-round pick, and then trade that player and the next year’s first-round pick immediately after the draft. This is how Portland acquired Robert Covington, for instance, at the 2020 draft.)

This isn’t just the idle speculation of a writer with too much time on his hands, either. Rival front offices are wondering the exact same thing and anticipating where opportunities may lie for them.



Via Hollingers latest piece in the Athletic
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#702 » by greg4012 » Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:51 pm

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jimmy-butler-is-more-versatile-than-ever/

Jimmy Butler Is More Versatile Than Ever


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As NBA players age and their bodies and athletic capabilities change, the best players adapt their approaches to remain the best. Whether that means adding new skills to their game or leaning more heavily into lesser-used abilities, the need comes for every player who lasts long enough in the league. Adaptation, though, doesn’t necessarily mean diminishment. Some players, similar to wine finding its bouquet only with the dissipation of tannins from age, discover their new styles to be superior. Such is the case with Jimmy Butler, whose Miami Heat are leading the Atlanta Hawks 3-1 in the first round of the playoffs.

Versatility is a skill, and Butler takes the concept of being able to do anything on the court to a new level. Though Butler has always featured the dimensions of a wing at 6-foot-7 and 230 pounds, he used to display more guard-like tendencies. Per Second Spectrum, he initiated more than 36 plays per 100 possessions as a handler in the pick and roll in 2016-17, which marked his career high and ranked 45th in the NBA among players who ran at least 500 of the plays. This year, he lost over a third of that pick-and-roll frequency from 2016-17, running just over 23 per 100 possessions. His propensity for jumpers — another traditional hallmark of guards — is also near a career low.

His burst both with the ball and into the air has lessened. He rarely flies past defenders on drives, ranking 230th in blowby percentage among 273 players with at least 100 drives. He rarely dunks, tying for 94th in the league this year. Yet the limits to his game haven’t limited his success.

Butler was more efficient on drives this season than in any year in which he had a higher blowby percentage. His accuracy at the rim is 1 percentage point lower than his career high, set last year. As Butler has aged, he has played more like a big on the offensive end. His rates of screen-setting and post-ups have never been higher. His effective field-goal percentage in “floater range” — the paint excluding the restricted area — after one or more dribbles was only average, but after zero dribbles, it was the second-highest in the league,1 meaning he’s at his best when teammates create his shots. At times, he seems more like an undersized big than a supersized guard, but his craftiness — early post-ups, cutting to the rim after ghosting a screen or delivering handoffs — compensates for his size.

Despite finding so much success as a big this season, Butler remains an effective ball-dominant initiator. His assist rate is still sky-high — it has been in the 93rd percentile or higher for his position every season since 2015-16 and was in the 96th percentile this year. After ranking third last season, he had the second-highest assist-to-turnover rate among high-usage players.2 His true shooting percentage has moved little, fluctuating between 56 and 61 percent every season since 2014-15.

In fact, while his style has shifted slowly over time, his impact has been remarkably consistent. Butler remains the star he was last year. He took an even higher share of his shots from the short midrange this year and drew a comparable rate of shooting fouls, per Cleaning the Glass. Not only is Butler consistent, but he has orchestrated consistency for his team.

He remains the foundation of a Heat team that returned only 56 percent of its minutes from the previous year — the sixth-lowest share in the league — yet kept its overall identity. The Heat continued to play a grindingly slow game, forcing opponents into the longest average time before shooting in the league and recording the seventh-longest time on the offensive end. They forced the third-highest rate of turnovers while taking and making a lot of threes on the other end.


The Heat lost in the first round last season, but they upgraded the team around Butler this year and entered the playoffs as the No. 1 seed in the East. (Adding Kyle Lowry helps a team immeasurably.) Surrounded by a stronger supporting cast, Butler is in the midst of the best postseason run of his career, setting playoff per-game career highs in points (30.5), rebounds (7.8) and steals (2.8). Most NBA stars imprint themselves on the playoffs by averaging more field goal attempts.3 Butler is no different, averaging 5.8 extra shots per game in the playoffs. But the way he’s done more in the playoffs hearkens back to his addition of more big skills. Neither his pick-and-roll nor isolation frequency has shifted dramatically. Butler is adding as much off the ball, attacking more closeouts and setting more on-ball screens. He’s taking more than twice as many shots off of cuts per contest. And though he’s getting about the same number of touches per 100 possessions, he’s shooting more often — and scoring more efficiently — off of those touches.

Jimmy Butler has shifted his game in the playoffs
Play type by playoff and regular-season frequency and efficiency for Jimmy Butler of the Miami Heat, 2021-22 season

FREQUENCY PER
100 POSSESSIONS POINTS PER CHANCE
PLAY TYPE REGULAR SEASON PLAYOFFS REGULAR SEASON PLAYOFFS
Pick-and-roll handler 23.111 26.389 0.976 1.017
Isolation 11.386 12.847 1.107 1.139
Pick-and-roll screener 9.745 12.847 0.967 0.844
Attacking closeouts 4.508 5.903 0.944 1.000
Through Game 4 of the first round of the playoffs.

SOURCE: SECOND SPECTRUM

The playoffs have supercharged the shifts to Butler’s game, which seems in turn to have supercharged his impact — his total playoff RAPTOR has never been higher. (That he somehow becomes a 3-point marksman in the playoffs doesn’t hurt, either — this is his third playoff run shooting over 40 percent from deep, a number he’s never cracked in a regular season.)

If Butler plays offense like a combination of a guard and a big, he’s no less versatile on defense. Four of his six most frequent defensive matchups in the regular season were initiating guards.4 Yet against the Hawks, he’s defended Kevin Huerter, Bogdan Bogdanović and De’Andre Hunter more often than he’s defended Trae Young. Per BBall Index, Butler recorded a career high in defensive versatility this season, spending almost equal time guarding every position except for centers, and his matchup difficulty was the 29th most difficult in the league. Whomever he guards, he is effective forcing both turnovers and misses; he was one of two players5 in the top 20 for both steal rate and limiting points per chance out of isolation.6

With Butler filling so many different roles, the Heat have outscored the Hawks by 59 points with Butler playing and lost his minutes on the bench by 2.

The necessity of adapting to your changing abilities is a reality of age, but the ability to do so (and to adapt to the changing circumstances of the playoffs) requires experience. Only 59 players in NBA history have played in 80 playoff games while averaging 18 points or more, and 52 are either in the Hall of Fame or at 90 percent odds or better to join in the future, according to Basketball-Reference.com. Butler seems to be on a Hall-of-Fame trajectory — he’s at 71 percent odds right now, and he stands to boost that if the Heat make a deep playoff run behind his malleable excellence. If he does reach the Hall, it’s not unreasonable to expect him to celebrate with a glass of wine. And like his favorite — Italian red blends — Butler just keeps getting better the older he gets.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#703 » by gom » Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:19 am

As a Heat fan, I am so blown away right now. I love this team.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#704 » by gom » Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:19 am

Where are the bleeping BBWs though?

Sorry, people. I thought it was a game thread. Crazy right now. Isn't it? Let's go heat. Yeah.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#705 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:20 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:

That program has churned out four undrafted players (Robinson, Martin, Max Strus and Gabe Vincent) who are part of the current playing rotation for the East’s top seed, and a fifth (Ömer Yurtseven) who may very well be part of it next year.

The ironic butterfly effect of Miami’s continued success in this area is that those very players may be the ones who push Robinson aside. The Heat seemingly generated a better version of the same player for themselves in Strus, a long-range bomber like Robinson but with more strength and quick-twitch athleticism. He’s two years younger, is signed through next season on a minimum deal, and replaced Robinson in the starting lineup late in the regular season. Meanwhile, the defense of Martin and Vincent have made it much easier to concoct functional bench units sans Robinson, especially in pairings with Herro.

As for Oladipo, he’s only 29 (yes, really), and is in a rarely seen contractual situation: He’s on a one-year minimum deal, but the Heat will have full Bird rights on him because they traded for him at the 2021 trade deadline. If he plays well, the Heat will be in the driver’s seat to retain him without cap constraints. Additionally, Strus, Vincent and Yurtseven already are signed to minimum deals through 2023.






For a team like Miami which is famous for its offseason whale-hunting, one can imagine a draft-day deal sending out Robinson, the 2022 first and the 2023 first, to target a big forward who can play between Jimmy Butler and Adebayo. (This normally wouldn’t be allowed by the Stepien Rule, but teams can finesse this on draft night to select a player the other team wants with their first-round pick, and then trade that player and the next year’s first-round pick immediately after the draft. This is how Portland acquired Robert Covington, for instance, at the 2020 draft.)

This isn’t just the idle speculation of a writer with too much time on his hands, either. Rival front offices are wondering the exact same thing and anticipating where opportunities may lie for them.



Via Hollingers latest piece in the Athletic


At the risk of repeating myself, I thought the move to make at the deadline was to move Duncan + Pick/s for J.Grant. The defensive gap between them and the added creation/athleticism would be huge for us.

I think we'll have some operating room regardless, a lot of possibles moves to do this offseason.

hopefully if we stand pat it's because we're celebrating a championship and running it back.
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Post#706 » by carnageta » Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:53 pm

Deandre Hunter and Grant Williams are two (2) forwards on my wishlist. Doubt we can acquire either of them anytime soon, but they would make for a great fit alongside Jimmy and Bam at that 4 slot.
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Post#707 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:07 pm

carnageta wrote:Deandre Hunter and Grant Williams are two (2) forwards on my wishlist. Doubt we can acquire either of them anytime soon, but they would make for a great fit alongside Jimmy and Bam at that 4 slot.


Unfortunately Hunter is due a huge extension but I’d love it if we could swap Robinson and picks for him.

This won’t be popular but if Dipo is 75-80% of what he was at his peak and we realize that through the playoffs I’d be trying hard to keep him for like $10M a year. He’s always wanted to be here. This would open up a Herro trade. I wouldn’t be against trading Herro and Duncan for Grant and Bey. I love both of those players to fit in here with their style of play. Both can shoot and defend. Both can score in bunches as well.

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Bey
Grant/Tucker
Bam/Dedmon or Yurt

That’s deeper and even more versatile than what we currently have.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#708 » by twix2500 » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:58 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
carnageta wrote:Deandre Hunter and Grant Williams are two (2) forwards on my wishlist. Doubt we can acquire either of them anytime soon, but they would make for a great fit alongside Jimmy and Bam at that 4 slot.


Unfortunately Hunter is due a huge extension but I’d love it if we could swap Robinson and picks for him.

This won’t be popular but if Dipo is 75-80% of what he was at his peak and we realize that through the playoffs I’d be trying hard to keep him for like $10M a year. He’s always wanted to be here. This would open up a Herro trade. I wouldn’t be against trading Herro and Duncan for Grant and Bey. I love both of those players to fit in here with their style of play. Both can shoot and defend. Both can score in bunches as well.

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Bey
Grant/Tucker
Bam/Dedmon or Yurt

That’s deeper and even more versatile than what we currently have.
Yea 3ammy you are way below the market value in today NBA. The cap is increasing a lot next season

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Post#709 » by twix2500 » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:04 am

Keep Herro at shooting guard please. Let Dipo run point

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Post#710 » by Wiltside » Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:15 am

carnageta wrote:Deandre Hunter and Grant Williams are two (2) forwards on my wishlist. Doubt we can acquire either of them anytime soon, but they would make for a great fit alongside Jimmy and Bam at that 4 slot.


100%. They’d be perfect next to Edrice.

Grant is Tucker 2.0, and Hunter seems to be finding his NBA game. Still too much jab stepping, but I think if you simplify the game for him and get him stepping into open spot ups, he looks to be coming along as a shooter.
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Post#711 » by twix2500 » Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:28 am

Why lock the trend so fast

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Post#712 » by KingDavid » Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:37 am

twix2500 wrote:Why lock the trend so fast

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Post#713 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:44 am

People kept mentioning Hunter, but John Colins looks like a guy potentially falling out of favor in Atlanta. I wonder what it might take to get him, his willingness to shoot and ability to rebound makes him a good fit between Jimmy and Bam.
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Post#714 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:04 am

Kobewade11 wrote:People kept mentioning Hunter, but John Colins looks like a guy potentially falling out of favor in Atlanta. I wonder what it might take to get him, his willingness to shoot and ability to rebound makes him a good fit between Jimmy and Bam.


I rather target the more athletic Jeremy Grant, I think his fit next to Jimmy and Bam would great. He's super switchable on defense and brings enough creation and shooting to take our offense to another level.
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Post#715 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:15 am

Once Lowry and Jimmy come back (hopefully are ready for game 1) I want this rotation :

PG : Lowry (26) / Vincent (14) / Dipo (8)
SG : Strus (24) / Herro (24)
SF : Jimmy (30) / Dipo (18)
PF : Tucker (24) / Jimmy (8) / Martin (16)
C : Bam (36) / Tucker (6) / Dedmon (6)

Start with this blueprint and adjust depending on whos playing well and the matchups.

Playing small with Jimmy at PF should be helpful in limited doses, just like playing Tucker at C. It also opens up some playing time for our crowded guard rotation where we 5 guys deserving minutes (not including Robinson).

We need 3 of the 5 (Lowry/Vincent/Dipo/Strus/Herro) to show up every game and ride the hot hands.

We're thin in the front court so Tucker and Bam will need to really step up and bring it consistently, we don't have much other options there expect playing Jimmy at the 4 for short stretches and hope Martin can be effective against bigger playrers.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4 

Post#716 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Apr 28, 2022 11:30 am

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Kobewade11 wrote:People kept mentioning Hunter, but John Colins looks like a guy potentially falling out of favor in Atlanta. I wonder what it might take to get him, his willingness to shoot and ability to rebound makes him a good fit between Jimmy and Bam.


I rather target the more athletic Jeremy Grant, I think his fit next to Jimmy and Bam would great. He's super switchable on defense and brings enough creation and shooting to take our offense to another level.

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Post#717 » by AirP. » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:12 pm

This feels like Oladipo is starting FA early which is understandable, this is probably his last sizable contract.

Didn't really talk about how he's played recently, just briefly about his surgeries and how he currently feels(young for near 30) and that the best is yet to come, no real substance, actually quite a generic short(25 min) interview for a podcast.
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Post#718 » by AirP. » Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:04 pm

Well this is interesting, a podcast comes out with Oladipo and Woj, now a montage of Oladipo from the Heat account. Normally not a big deal but interesting timing with him heading towards FA and starting to looking closer to the old Oladipo. Kind of wonder if that podcast set off some alarms for the FO because they really didn't talk about how he was playing which you'd suspect coming off multiple good games in the playoffs, it was basically where he's at in his career and how he handled his surgeries... and made sure to talk about the first one being bad.

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Post#719 » by AirP. » Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:07 pm

Butler and then the Heat got separate fines for his gesture and the posting of that gesture from the Miami Heat social media account...
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Post#720 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:09 pm

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