2022 NBA Draft Thread – (June 23rd, 8PM, ESPN)

Smart2Nesmith43 · Post #281 » by **Smart2Nesmith43** » Sat Apr 23, 2022 9:01 pm

Thanks for the video. Those are some high level passes. High release on his three point shot so he will force hard closeouts. Might not be the most elite athlete but should do very well attacking scrambling defenses (say after a Tatum drive collapses the defense). On defense, he clearly knows where to be and be disruptive off ball. On ball, his lack of foot speed will be mitigated in a switching system. I'm even more sold :nod:

Smart2Nesmith43 · Post #282 » by **Smart2Nesmith43** » Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:56 pm

In Espn's latest mock draft, the Celtics are picking Procida whileVince Williams is going undrafted so they have a chance to pick him up as well. I wouldn't mind that timeline. Barlow still on the board among guys that Hal liked.

zoyathedestroya · Post #283 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:50 am

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Post #284 » by **ParticleMan** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:28 pm

Hal14 wrote:as I'm watching our team play in these playoff games right now, I'm thinking......

"which prospect who could potentially still be on the board at pick 53 could step in and get minutes on this team right now?"

Let's face it. These first 2 games vs the nets, Udoka played 8 guys. He didn't play Nesmith, he didn't play Hauser, no Stauskus, Kornet, etc.

Ideally, we would have been able to go 9 deep. But we only went 8 deep because udoka only has confidence in those 8 guys right now.

If we did go 9 deep during those first 2 games vs the nets, what type of player would it need to be for udoka to put him in there?

That is the type of player we should take with this pick.

Or.......

The other option (especially if Brad looks at his draft board and just doesn't think any prospect left could realistically contribute to this team as a top 9 guy), in that case I think you take a home run swing for the future. You say to yourself, "you know what, it's a late 2nd round pick. Got nothing to lose here. Just take someone who is maybe raw, unpolished, rough around the edges, someone who is not close to contributing now, someone who is going to spend the next year (or 2) either in the g-league or stashed overseas but a year or 2 down the road with some hard work, this is a player who all of a sudden could breakout and become a legit baller.

Guys who fall into the 1st bucket (could potentially compete for mins as our 9th or 10th guy next year)
Jabari Walker, Isaiah Mobley, Julian Champagnie, Kevin McCullar, Gabe Brown, Ron Harper Jr, David Roddy, Kris Murray, Dereon Seabron, Josiah Jordan-James, Jalen Williams

Guys who fall into the 2nd bucket (younger player who is more of a long term project but has high upside)
Dominick Barlow, Josh Minott, Peyton Watson, Patrick Baldwin Jr, Zvonimir Ivisic, Kok Yat, Ryan Rollins, Leonardo Okeke, Tristan Vukcevic

The third option is that you are drafting a guy at #53 who will help your team in 3 years. You're not worried about next year, or even 2 years from now. Get someone with a definable NBA skill who has the potential to round out his game.

Hauser is a good example. Can he be our Max Strus in 2 years? I don't see why not. Heck, Strus could have been our Strus had we kept him. Semi is another example, didn't do much his first year but eventually settled in to a nice role. That's the sort of guy you're looking for. Not a starter, but if you need a guy to step in when your main guy is out, he can hold down the fort.

A 53 pick is more often than not out of the NBA after a couple years. If you get anything more than that it's a win.

Curmudgeon · Post #285 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:08 pm

There is no cap on salaries for second round picks, right? If no other team has done it, draft Victor Wembanyama and offer him the full 168M (over 5 years) max deal as soon as he turns 19.

Hal14 · Post #286 » by **Hal14** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:09 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:There is no cap on salaries for second round picks, right? If no other team has done it, draft Victor Wembanyama and offer him the full 168M (over 5 years) max deal as soon as he turns 19.

he's not draft eligible till 2023 and will likely go no. 1 in the draft then.

Curmudgeon · Post #287 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:44 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:There is no cap on salaries for second round picks, right? If no other team has done it, draft Victor Wembanyama and offer him the full 168M (over 5 years) max deal as soon as he turns 19.

he's not draft eligible till 2023 and will likely go no. 1 in the draft then.

Does a player have to be "eligible" to be drafted? I think "eligible" means "eligible to declare for the draft." And we know that a player does not have to declare to be drafted, as was the case when Auerbach drafted Larry Bird a year early.

Also, the league has talked about removing the 19 year-old age limit for years now.

Smart2Nesmith43 · Post #288 » by **Smart2Nesmith43** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:40 pm

Wembanyama can't be drafted this year and even if he was and you bribed the front office of every single franchise to pass on him, the Celtics don't have the cap space to offer anything close to the contract you are suggesting. It doesn't sound like a very realistic scenario.

zoyathedestroya wrote:

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No Deuce Tatum, lame :nonono:

Scoonie · Post #289 » by **Scoonie** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:41 pm

Looks like Ariel Hukporti from Australia didn't declare for the draft?

Post #290 » by **djFan71** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:55 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:

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Wow, that's a lot for 60 picks. The odds may not be ever in the favor of a lot of these guys.

Hal14 · Post #291 » by **Hal14** » Wed Apr 27, 2022 7:00 pm

Scoonie wrote:Looks like Ariel Hukporti from Australia didn't declare for the draft?

Correct.
He's staying in the NBL for another year, probably because he wasn't projected to go very high in the draft so he's gonna stay overseas for another year to try and get his stock higher for next year..

Curmudgeon · Post #292 » by **Curmudgeon** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 2:16 am

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Wembanyama can't be drafted this year and even if he was and you bribed the front office of every single franchise to pass on him, the Celtics don't have the cap space to offer anything close to the contract you are suggesting.

Yeah, I guess that's right. You can go over the cap to sign a first rounder, but you can't pay more than the minimum to a second rounder unless you have the cap space or an exception. So even if he could be drafted, the most the Celtics could offer is the MLE.

Curmudgeon · Post #293 » by **Curmudgeon** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:04 pm

Let me add that picking where they are the Celtics should be looking at another international player to stash. Failing that, they should pick someone young and very raw but with upside, who can be developed in Maine. There are some nice 4 year players-- Gabe Brown types-- but I don't see anyone who could clearly take a roster spot away from Malik Fitts or Juwan Morgan, so what's the point?

Post #294 » by **165bows** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:49 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Let me add that picking where they are the Celtics should be looking at another international player to stash. Failing that, they should pick someone young and very raw but with upside, who can be developed in Maine. There are some nice 4 year players-- Gabe Brown types-- but I don't see anyone who could clearly take a roster spot away from Malik Fitts or Juwan Morgan, so what's the point?

Why a raw upside guy when they can draft JV Chuck Barkley?

https://zonahoops.com/2022/03/08/david-roddy-nba-scouting-report/

Hal14 · Post #295 » by **Hal14** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 6:58 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Let me add that picking where they are the Celtics should be looking at another international player to stash. Failing that, they should pick someone young and very raw but with upside, who can be developed in Maine. There are some nice 4 year players-- Gabe Brown types-- but I don't see anyone who could clearly take a roster spot away from Malik Fitts or Juwan Morgan, so what's the point?

To some extent, I agree. Either pick a high upside draft and stash or a high upside 19/20 yr old kid - either way, not someone you're expecting to contribute anything in the next year or 2. Just an upside swing to maybe get lucky if their development really pans out.

With that being said, if we just look at Gabe Brown vs Malik Fitts. I actually didn't realize that Fitts shot 39% from 3 in college. didn't think he was that good of a shooter.

Brown meanwhile shot 38% from 3 in college so basically the same. (although brown competed in a tougher conference)

Here's the difference, though. Fitts turns 25 in july - for a guy at his age, he has barely any NBA experience, he's pretty much just been in g-league his whole career so far. At his age, if a guy still hasn't been able to crack an NBA rotation, it probably just isn't gonna happen.

Gabe Brown however, literally just turned 22. So he could end up being better than Fitts, with the proper development over the next couple of years.

Scoonie · Post #296 » by **Scoonie** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:12 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Let me add that picking where they are the Celtics should be looking at another international player to stash. Failing that, they should pick someone young and very raw but with upside, who can be developed in Maine. There are some nice 4 year players-- Gabe Brown types-- but I don't see anyone who could clearly take a roster spot away from Malik Fitts or Juwan Morgan, so what's the point?

To some extent, I agree. Either pick a high upside draft and stash or a high upside 19/20 yr old kid - either way, not someone you're expecting to contribute anything in the next year or 2. Just an upside swing to maybe get lucky if their development really pans out.

With that being said, if we just look at Gabe Brown vs Malik Fitts. I actually didn't realize that Fitts shot 39% from 3 in college. didn't think he was that good of a shooter.

Brown meanwhile shot 38% from 3 in college so basically the same. (although brown competed in a tougher conference)

Here's the difference, though. Fitts turns 25 in july - for a guy at his age, he has barely any NBA experience, he's pretty much just been in g-league his whole career so far. At his age, if a guy still hasn't been able to crack an NBA rotation, it probably just isn't gonna happen.

Malik Fitts looks talented enough to make the 15-man roster next year, in my opinion.

playa-hater · Post #297 » by **playa-hater** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:37 pm

It feels like I say this every year, but always draft the best upside in RD2 when possible. wondering if that player can beat out player X,Y Z doesn't matter. Between injuries-Covid trades, you never know where the player will be on our roster.

an Example is Hauser wasn't drafted and should be higher up than our 2 drafted stash players.

There are Gems every year, and some go undrafted. Just scout them out properly and maybe we find a real Gem with upside.

Hal14 · Post #298 » by **Hal14** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:54 am

Good write up, including some clips of Jake LaRavia and Kevin McCullar:

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/workout-szn-with-kevin-mccullar-and?s=r

I'd be pumped if we're able to get either of them.

LaRavia it seems like will probably be gone before our pick but McCullar is definitely a realistic target..

Post #299 » by **djFan71** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:44 am

I feel like you could get 30 or 35 from OKC to absorb Favors into the TPE. Frees up more salary for them to sign FAs. He's $10M so that pushes us basically that amount into the tax at 12 players (assuming Al full salary and keep Hauser). But it also provides some flexibiity for future trades. If you do it on draft night, you can aggregate him in a trade before training camp, or at the deadline as an expiring - both after the TPE expires. And as a 5th big he's got experience, wingspan and can be solid enough on D and bang a little. Hope for the OKC vet big season of rest reclamation project luck 2 years in a row, but on a much smaller scale.

Due to the tax considerations, you gotta make sure you love someone at 30 or 35, but the last few drafts you could have gotten Bane or Herb Jones there. Of course, you also could have ended up with any of the other guys I'm not mentioning....

Post #300 » by **165bows** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:31 pm

djFan71 wrote:I feel like you could get 30 or 35 from OKC to absorb Favors into the TPE. Frees up more salary for them to sign FAs. He's $10M so that pushes us basically that amount into the tax at 12 players (assuming Al full salary and keep Hauser). But it also provides some flexibiity for future trades. If you do it on draft night, you can aggregate him in a trade before training camp, or at the deadline as an expiring - both after the TPE expires. And as a 5th big he's got experience, wingspan and can be solid enough on D and bang a little. Hope for the OKC vet big season of rest reclamation project luck 2 years in a row, but on a much smaller scale.

Due to the tax considerations, you gotta make sure you love someone at 30 or 35, but the last few drafts you could have gotten Bane or Herb Jones there. Of course, you also could have ended up with any of the other guys I'm not mentioning....

Haha I had thought of this exact move too. After poking around on the trade board it sounded like they planned on starting him tho.