2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[ash_k]

I think Gobert would be a mistake with his age and huge contract. Mitchell I would be ok with if the asking price is right. 25yrs old, still fits in with the long bois with his +9" wingspan differential, and he's a dynamic backcourt scorer, which we've lacked up until Pascal started to show that later this year. Contract similar to Pascal's and runs through '24-'25.

Rudy has never had any significant injury. He does NOT rely on athleticism. He just relies on his height, Wingspan and great mobility at that size. As long as he does not add any weight: The Rudy you see now will be the same in 5 years. Always in top-shape!

[LBJKB24MJ23]

From the Athletic



Toronto

When I was canvassing league sources, Toronto come up a few times. It makes sense on a few levels: The Raptors don’t have a true center, love bringing in international players, have a surfeit of big forwards to send back and have the assets and cap flexibility to put a deal together.

On the other hand, Gobert would be a stylistic departure for the Raptors. Their focus seems to be on flooding the court with hybrid 6-8 guys who make the game maddening for the Goberts of the world; this would be a fairly sharp strategic detour.

The mechanics of how an actual deal would be structured get tricky too. OG Anunoby would be the likely centerpiece, but he doesn’t make enough money on his own to achieve a salary match. Khem Birch and a signed-and-traded big man (either Thaddeus Young or Chris Boucher) would be the most feasible way to get there.

Anunoby is a nice piece, but Utah likely wouldn’t get terribly excited about this without more assets thrown in. But turn that around: At what point does Toronto walk away given that Gobert doesn’t fit terribly well anyway and turns 30 this summer? Is a 2023 first and a protected future pick enough?

More provocatively, the other way to set up this trade would be as a true blockbuster, with Pascal Siakam traded more or less straight up for Gobert. Do the Raptors dare? Do the Jazz take the plunge, with Siakam hitting free agency in 2024? It would be one of the most fascinating challenge trades in recent annals, but don’t get your hopes up.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Fvv extended and traded for signed Zach lavine

Seems like LaVine might not be back with the Bulls.

LaVine sign-and-trade for FVV makes sense but I doubt he would leave to come here.

Why not. Let’s get it. Bring out Drake.


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[islandboy53]

You have a few tax teams at the back of the first round that may be willing to move down a few spots to use 33 for a stash pick?

Last year Utah traded 30 to Memphis for 40 and two future SRPs
Knicks traded 21 and got 25 and a future SRP
The year prior New York got 23 for 27 and 38.

Maybe 33 + Cash + Future SRP gets you into the late back end of the 1st round?

Maybe, but why? The contract flexibility of #33 more than offsets the slight increase in talent that may be available by trading up into the late 1st. Throwing additional assets in to do that seems a waste.

same reason other teams trade up or down, if there is someone you like and you dont think will be there at 33. or vice versa if there is someone you like who will be avalaible later and get a sweetener for moving down.

I understand the concept, thanks. Do you see anyone this year who is sufficiently better at, say, 27 versus 33, that you would spend a future second and cash on? And give a guaranteed contract/roster spot to rather than sign to a 2 way spot?

[mtcan]

Any chance Masai goes after Zion Williamson?

What would the Pels ask in return?

4 months ago...I wouldn't have considered it...but after they traded for CJ McCollum and went on a run to make the playoffs...do we think that maybe the Pels are steering away from appeasing Zion and instead just wanting to being a competitive team?

Would anyone trade Pascal for a package of Zion, JV and filler?

CJ, Ingram and Pascal gives them some serious offence. That is a playoff team...not just play-in.

The future duo of Scottie and Zion would awesome.

And if you are thinking Zion is fat and oft injured...we the one of the few men in this league who has the gravitas to tell Zion to his face that he is fat and needs to shape up...just like he told Kyle that he'd be a lifetime backup if his attitude didn't change and how he told Stanley Johnson he flat out sucks. And regarding his health...we have Alex Mckechnie and the red shoelace. Masai has taken a chance at a distressed asset before...would he do it again? Zion in Raptors Culture and Scottie throwing up the no-look lobs is some serious vibes.

[HumbleRen]

Rather go for Turner over Gobert.

[Spida888]

Gobert's contract is so bad, I'm surprised so many people want him. He's a great rim protector but overrated defensively in my opinion. He's also approaching 30 as well.

Offensively, Gobert is so limited. Anything outside of a few feet of the basket, good luck with that. His FT% is bad as well.

[douggood]

Maybe, but why? The contract flexibility of #33 more than offsets the slight increase in talent that may be available by trading up into the late 1st. Throwing additional assets in to do that seems a waste.

same reason other teams trade up or down, if there is someone you like and you dont think will be there at 33. or vice versa if there is someone you like who will be avalaible later and get a sweetener for moving down.

I understand the concept, thanks. Do you see anyone this year who is sufficiently better at, say, 27 versus 33, that you would spend a future second and cash on? And give a guaranteed contract/roster spot to rather than sign to a 2 way spot?

thats not for me or us to know, that all depends on the raptors draft board. if someone they have ranked 20th drops to lets say 27, then its worth it to move from 33 to 27 if their internal reports shows that player wont be avalaible at 33.

also players picked in the 33 pick range dont sign 2way deals. they sign 4 year deals, but the downside of pick 33 vs lets say 27, after 4 years the player is UFA vs RFA if its a first rounder. see jalen brunson, he is ufa this offseason, was the 33rd pick. while the 24th pick of the same year anferenee simons is rfa.

no rumors of simons leaving portland, but lots of rumors of brunson leaving.

[sogood]

Any chance Masai goes after Zion Williamson?

What would the Pels ask in return?

4 months ago...I wouldn't have considered it...but after they traded for CJ McCollum and went on a run to make the playoffs...do we think that maybe the Pels are steering away from appeasing Zion and instead just wanting to being a competitive team?

Would anyone trade Pascal for a package of Zion, JV and filler?

CJ, Ingram and Pascal gives them some serious offence. That is a playoff team...not just play-in.

The future duo of Scottie and Zion would awesome.

And if you are thinking Zion is fat and oft injured...we the one of the few men in this league who has the gravitas to tell Zion to his face that he is fat and needs to shape up...just like he told Kyle that he'd be a lifetime backup if his attitude didn't change and how he told Stanley Johnson he flat out sucks. And regarding his health...we have Alex Mckechnie and the red shoelace. Masai has taken a chance at a distressed asset before...would he do it again? Zion in Raptors Culture and Scottie throwing up the no-look lobs is some serious vibes.

They wouldn't do Zion for Pascal straight up let alone include a 18/11 center.

They're a healthy Zion from being a real threat in the West.

[mtcan]

Any chance Masai goes after Zion Williamson?

What would the Pels ask in return?

4 months ago...I wouldn't have considered it...but after they traded for CJ McCollum and went on a run to make the playoffs...do we think that maybe the Pels are steering away from appeasing Zion and instead just wanting to being a competitive team?

Would anyone trade Pascal for a package of Zion, JV and filler?

CJ, Ingram and Pascal gives them some serious offence. That is a playoff team...not just play-in.

The future duo of Scottie and Zion would awesome.

And if you are thinking Zion is fat and oft injured...we the one of the few men in this league who has the gravitas to tell Zion to his face that he is fat and needs to shape up...just like he told Kyle that he'd be a lifetime backup if his attitude didn't change and how he told Stanley Johnson he flat out sucks. And regarding his health...we have Alex Mckechnie and the red shoelace. Masai has taken a chance at a distressed asset before...would he do it again? Zion in Raptors Culture and Scottie throwing up the no-look lobs is some serious vibes.

They wouldn't do Zion for Pascal straight up let alone include a 18/11 center.

They're a healthy Zion from being a real threat in the West.

It depends on how Zion and family feel about the Pelicans organization. I get the feeling camp Zion doesn't love David Griffin and the organization.

Then again it could be nothing...but sometimes it seems like Zion has checked out on the Pelicans.

[Asif16]

Hypothetically, If OG is going to be used as a centerpiece for a Legit big man.....how about we knock out 2 birds with one stone?

OG Anunoby + Khem Birch + Flynn + 2nd

for

Clint Capela + Kevin Huerter.

Works Salary wise. We get a Proper legit Big man and also a Guard with shooting and ball-handling abilities. Which is a must.

Atlanta needs defense badly. They get a Defensive 3 + D forward who can fit nicely next to Trae Young. And also make Okongu their starting Center moving forward. He's too good to be coming off the bench.

Fred VanVleet /
Gary Trent Jr. / Kevin Huerter
Scottie Barnes
Pascal Siakam
Clint Capela

[HumbleRen]

Hypothetically, If OG is going to be used as a centerpiece for a Legit big man.....how about we knock out 2 birds with one stone?

OG Anunoby + Khem Birch + Flynn + 2nd

for

Clint Capela + Kevin Huerter.

Works Salary wise. We get a Proper legit Big man and also a Guard with shooting and ball-handling abilities. Which is a must.

Atlanta needs defense badly. They get a Defensive 3 + D forward who can fit nicely next to Trae Young. And also make Okongu their starting Center moving forward. He's too good to be coming off the bench.

Fred VanVleet /
Gary Trent Jr. / Kevin Huerter
Scottie Barnes
Pascal Siakam
Clint Capela

This is a war crime of a trade.

[Asif16]

Hypothetically, If OG is going to be used as a centerpiece for a Legit big man.....how about we knock out 2 birds with one stone?

OG Anunoby + Khem Birch + Flynn + 2nd

for

Clint Capela + Kevin Huerter.

Works Salary wise. We get a Proper legit Big man and also a Guard with shooting and ball-handling abilities. Which is a must.

Atlanta needs defense badly. They get a Defensive 3 + D forward who can fit nicely next to Trae Young. And also make Okongu their starting Center moving forward. He's too good to be coming off the bench.

Fred VanVleet /
Gary Trent Jr. / Kevin Huerter
Scottie Barnes
Pascal Siakam
Clint Capela

This is a war crime of a trade.

For who

[HumbleRen]

Hypothetically, If OG is going to be used as a centerpiece for a Legit big man.....how about we knock out 2 birds with one stone?

OG Anunoby + Khem Birch + Flynn + 2nd

for

Clint Capela + Kevin Huerter.

Works Salary wise. We get a Proper legit Big man and also a Guard with shooting and ball-handling abilities. Which is a must.

Atlanta needs defense badly. They get a Defensive 3 + D forward who can fit nicely next to Trae Young. And also make Okongu their starting Center moving forward. He's too good to be coming off the bench.

Fred VanVleet /
Gary Trent Jr. / Kevin Huerter
Scottie Barnes
Pascal Siakam
Clint Capela

This is a war crime of a trade.

For who

Raptors, OG is one of the most coveted players in the league. Capela is on the decline and Huerter is too inconsistent.

[kanersen]

There's only 2 untouchables as far as i'm concerned.
Pascal and Scottie.

Most people dont realize, as high of hopes we have for Scottie, it's against the odds for him to ever reach a height of being at top 20 player which is what Pascal is right now.

People need to be realistic instead of hoping to trade Pascal just because hes' 27 like that's any indication of being old our out of a near future competing window....in the hopes of getting an asset that has a 5% percent chance of being even in the ballpark of what Pascal brings to the table.

Next on the list is OG and Trent, love em both but they could go if it brings in a legit difference maker. Its the only way I trade them though. OG is probably our best trade asset if you don't consider Pascal and Scottie.

Which leads me to Fred.
Let me be clear in saying I dont want to trade Fred. He is the heart and soul of our team and he played hurt in the second half which is obvious to see. I think he balls out next year if healthy and commands a near max. I dont know if I want to pay him that and it might be time to part ways to bring in a piece that fits our style. Fred is probably my favorite player on the Raptors cause despite his flaws, and he does have a lot of them, he epitomizes everything we love about this team. He has his fingerprints on the teams DNA more then any other player right now on that roster. Just like Demar and Kyle though, there's always an end to everything and this off season it might be in our best interests to move on from friend if we can add another versatile wing with shooting prowess and have Scottie and Pascal be the lead ball handers and surround them with long shooters.

[LoveMyRaps]

Add two strong pieces to the bench and a likely first round pick in a relatively strong draft.

FVV/Barnes/Banton
Trent/Huerter
Barnes/Hunter
Siakam/Young
Achiuwa/Boucher

That's a great looking squad.

[Bruin]

Add two strong pieces to the bench and a likely first round pick in a relatively strong draft.

FVV/Barnes/Banton
Trent/Huerter
Barnes/Hunter
Siakam/Young
Achiuwa/Boucher

That's a great looking squad.

Hunter is basically a poor man’s OG and has the same problems with injuries. He’s also gonna be a free agent soon and idk if we’ll be able to get as good a deal as we got with OG

Huerter is solid but idk if him + CHA pick is enough to close the gap between Hunter and OG

[LoveMyRaps]

Luke Kennard would be a fantastic 6th man.

[DangerZone13]

OG's defense and shooting are too valuable to what we're doing at his price point. Not to say he's untouchable, but there's not a lot of players we could reasonably get on his level that I'd rather have. I'm not sure Capela is one of those guys.

-BPA at 33(not even worth trying to guess until they're on the clock)
-Sift the undrafted bin.
-Resign Thad and Boucher to reasonable short-term deals.
-See what we can do about moving Birch.
-Replace Birch with taller, better shooting version, and fill in gaps on the bench with the exceptions.

[Kingsway_fan]

Top priorities::

1. Sign boucher
2. Move Birch and SVI
3. Extend young 2 yr, with second yr team option.