What does Mo Bamba play like?

[pepe1991]

Vučević is an elite rebounder. Given Bamba's height and length, he is very poor as a rebounder relative to expectations.


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Vucevic rebound rate is 18.6 and Bamba's is 17.3. His rate went down last season when he was in the lineup with another center. He rebounds as well as Vuc. Mo's DBPM is 1.0, Vuc DBPM is 0.2. Mo could end up as good as Vuc.

Moe Wagner's is 12.3.

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Only conclusion I draw from this is a what a damn robbery the Vuc trade was and will go down as the best trade in our franchise’s history.

Wtf Bamba, Vuc & Mo Wagner have to do with Vuc trade?

[drsd]

Wtf Bamba, Vuc & Mo Wagner have to do with Vuc trade?

Perhaps Vučević had a great deal to do with the Vučević trade

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[JTG_92940618]

Wagner at least sometimes gets physcal, Bamba can't set pick to save his life and leaks out for 3s all the time.

Give me Wag on 1-2 M over Bamba on over $5M all day every day.

As somebody wrote Bamba if dumb Frye on offense on defense he is 40 years Camby, gets blocks at expense of gambling, overplaying weak side or simply leaving assigments. Man that sounds like older Ibaka lol

And as I have said before, I actually think M-Wagner has more upside in his development than Bamba. If M-Wagner can learn fundamental team defense, he will be a multi-year backup big in the NBA. He has a clear role. What's Bamba's "clear role"? His games is as a starter, but his development does not project to lead to there. Bamba is not going to be a competent backup Center. He does not understand what a 10-15 mpg big is supposed to provide. If I were him, I would aim for rolling a deuce of 6s. He needs to have a transformational improvement if he is going to find a role in the NBA.


My thoughts: reup M-Wagner and then look to extend him on a 3-year 10M deal afterwards (resigning in the 2023 off-season). Add Bamba in a SnT this off-season. Find a new backup Center.

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In terms of a new backup centre, I would like Isaiah Hartenstein to replace Bamba. Hartenstein is an unrestricted free agent so we can get him.

I would be wary of signing a guy who played well at the Clippers, because they have a way of making guys look better than they are, and there isn't a huge body of evidence that Hartenstein is that good (2,262 career minutes) BUT his numbers are strong, he's a good defender by virtue of being big and he gives you everything Bamba gives you on offense (threes) plus passing and scoring close to the bucket (which he does like a normal 7 footer, unlike Mo).

We could sell him on playing with so many Germans - the Wagners and maybe Iggy - and we could also promise him more minutes than he'd get in LAC.

[bigdogdylan5]

My point was that if there advanced numbers were that close that says more about Vuc then Bamba. We all know Bamba has limitations.

[AdamTheGreek]

Some high salary figures being thrown in this thread for Bamba. If he gets offered more than $7 mil. per season I would consider that a failure. I wouldn’t offer Mo more than $5 mil., to be honest. Moe Wagner is of more use and is super cheap. RoLo might also be back. If RoLo leaves, we can also pull a Khem and sign a decent backup from Europe.

Mo’s help blocking and OK 3-point shooting isn’t enough to offer him as much money or minutes as he got last season due to us tanking.

[drsd]

In terms of a new backup centre, I would like Isaiah Hartenstein to replace Bamba. Hartenstein is an unrestricted free agent so we can get him.

I would be wary of signing a guy who played well at the Clippers, because they have a way of making guys look better than they are, and there isn't a huge body of evidence that Hartenstein is that good (2,262 career minutes) BUT his numbers are strong, he's a good defender by virtue of being big and he gives you everything Bamba gives you on offense (threes) plus passing and scoring close to the bucket (which he does like a normal 7 footer, unlike Mo).

We could sell him on playing with so many Germans - the Wagners and maybe Iggy - and we could also promise him more minutes than he'd get in LAC.

Mr. Hard Stone. What a great name for a backup Center!

He has good rebounding-rate numbers and an outstanding eFG% line.

He has a positive offensive and defensive RAPTOR line. I am all for this.

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[Magic_Kingdom]

In 71 games (69 starts), averaging 25.7 minutes per game, Bamba had 73 *total* free throw attempts.

[drsd]

In 71 games (69 starts), averaging 25.7 minutes per game, Bamba had 73 *total* free throw attempts.

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For context, Mr. Nikola "Always Shied from Contact" Vučević has a career average of 2.1 FTA per game.

Bamba inability to even get foul calls on put-back offensive rebounds is embarrassing for him. How is it hard for Bamba as a 7 footer averaging 18.6 mpg over his career to get to the charity strip twice a game? Is it really that hard???

Carter is at 3.2 fta per game, as another comparison; nearly 3x Bamba's 1.1 stat line per.

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[pepe1991]

In 71 games (69 starts), averaging 25.7 minutes per game, Bamba had 73 *total* free throw attempts.

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For context, Mr. Nikola "Always Shied from Contact" Vučević has a career average of 2.1 FTA per game.

Bamba inability to even get foul calls on put-back offensive rebounds is embarrassing for him. How is it hard for Bamba as a 7 footer averaging 18.6 mpg over his career to get to the charity strip twice a game? Is it really that hard???

Carter is at 3.2 fta per game, as another comparison; nearly 3x Bamba's 1.1 stat line per.

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Hilarious part is that you don't even have to be in shooting motion to end up shooting 2 FTA . It just has to be common foul after bonus is filled. But.... camping at 3 point line and leaquing out of poorly set screens won't get you any FTs.

[basketballRob]

A simple search shows that Bamba's career FTR 171 and Vuc is 148. Bamba's TS is higher also.

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[p0peye]

I can understand comparisons with Vučević while they where team mates, but why would you guys compare Bamba and 2x All Star? You might as well compare his 3PT% with Jokić and Embiid.

[pepe1991]

A simple search shows that Bamba's career FTR 171 and Vuc is 148. Bamba's TS is higher also.

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bamba in first year where he played 20 mpg, shot 1,0 FTA. Most times when backups play -as backups, they end up going to FT line after basic ,non shooting fouls because bonus is filled, as bench players tend to get majority of burn in end of first quater and end of third quater.


So no. Bamba is awful at drawing fouls, even more awful than Vuc, who's FT rate was always just dreadful.

As for True shooting percentage, it's irrelevant, since Bamba tanks offense. Magic with Bamba have abysmal 104,9 offensvie rating that makes them 3rd worst offense. Without him it's 107,5. Still awful, but not as bad as it's with him.
on top of that his assist to turnover rate is close to 1-1, needelss to say- awful.

Given perception of "defensive" center, defense hardly sees any improvments with him or without him. It's basically identical.

[drsd]

You might as well compare his 3PT% with Jokić and Embiid.

Bamba: career 35.2%
Jokić: career 34.5%
Embiid: career 33.8%

So Orlando has the real winner here !

Spoiler:

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[Xatticus]

I can understand comparisons with Vučević while they where team mates, but why would you guys compare Bamba and 2x All Star? You might as well compare his 3PT% with Jokić and Embiid.

Same old, same old. People are still trying to convince themselves that Vucevic doesn't suck. You can't compare him to good centers, so you compare him to Bamba.

[basketballRob]

I'm interested what Bamba can do with a healthy summer.

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[Magic_Kingdom]

Bamba's assets are his height and crazy length. Something is amiss if he averages one FTA per game over the course of an entire season as the starting center.

Clifford eventually stopped playing Bamba. Now that we've seen a whole season of Bamba getting all the minutes he can handle, you can see these things that probably drove Cliff insane. Obviously Mosley's philosophy (or directive from management?) was to let Mo camp on the 3-point line and play relatively soft without repercussions.

[tiderulz]

I'm interested what Bamba can do with a healthy summer.

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and its sad that we are thinking this with him going into year 5

[Optimus_Steel]

I'm interested what Bamba can do with a healthy summer.

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and its sad that we are thinking this with him going into year 5

This is like wondering if Bamba is going to finally develop a fire for the game. You know what he has or doesn't have by year 5...

[basketballRob]

I think if you put Bamba in a packed arena in a game that matters he'd perform better.

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[Last Guardian]

Brian Cook/Mo Speights offensively and Steven Hunter defensively. He is not useless in this modern age of basketball...but lack of energy and IQ hold him back from being a true starter on a good team. I could see him being a decent bench C.