2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

Post #5461 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:23 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Meanwhile Miami in a solid position after stealing game 1 in Boston, getting blown in Game 2, and then holding home court in Game 3 to go up 2-1. Can Celtics win on the road to get home court back?

Wait, what are you telling me now, the first two games were in Miami? Uhh.. that's weird.

Speaking of weird, I just found out that Miami has won only two quarters in the series so far...

ronnymac2 · Post #5462 » by **ronnymac2** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:27 am

Props to Andrew Wiggins for improving his play. People used to cite his REB% and it'd be embarrassing. Now his effort and tenacity is part of what is turning GSW's former second biggest weakness into perhaps its greatest current strength in these playoffs. I thought he wouldn't have the legs given he's the primary defender on maybe the best - and certainly most aggressive - offensive player in the league. Kid is making the most of his opportunity on a great team.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #5463 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:29 am

Doctor MJ wrote:A thought that may get blamed for the jinx if the wheel of fortune reverses - and if someone were going to come back from 0-3, Luka seems built for it:

If the Warriors win Game 4, this will be the 4th time they win the Conference Finals in a sweep.

Haven't done a thorough search of other CF sweeps, but the number feels pretty crazy to me.

A quick search:

Showtime Lakers - 3 times
Jordan Bulls - 2
Duncan Spurs - 2
Russell Celtics - 1
Kobe Lakers - 1

Steph's Warriors?

I'm pretty sure they've only done it twice beforehand.

They beat the Rockets in 5 in 2015. OKC in 7 in 2016. The Rockets again, but in 7 in 2018.

Swept the Spurs in 2017 and the Blazers in 2019.

Post #5464 » by **Doctor MJ** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:31 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:A thought that may get blamed for the jinx if the wheel of fortune reverses - and if someone were going to come back from 0-3, Luka seems built for it:

If the Warriors win Game 4, this will be the 4th time they win the Conference Finals in a sweep.

Haven't done a thorough search of other CF sweeps, but the number feels pretty crazy to me.

A quick search:

Showtime Lakers - 3 times
Jordan Bulls - 2
Duncan Spurs - 2
Russell Celtics - 1
Kobe Lakers - 1

Steph's Warriors?

I'm pretty sure they've only done it twice beforehand.

They beat the Rockets in 5 in 2015. OKC in 7 in 2016. The Rockets again, but in 7 in 2018.

Swept the Spurs in 2017 and the Blazers in 2019.

Ah, that's right. The Warriors only went up 3-0 against the Rockets in 2015, then let a game slip before moving on.

jalengreen · Post #5465 » by **jalengreen** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:33 am

definitely cant personally say i feel silly for not considering steph a candidate for best player in the league. he's still a fantastic player no doubt!

on another note, i am curious to see the future of luka & the mavs. still really feels like they need a center

Post #5466 » by **tsherkin** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:46 am

ronnymac2 wrote:Props to Andrew Wiggins for improving his play. People used to cite his REB% and it'd be embarrassing.

His TRB% as a rookie was 7.2%. His TRB in his last full season in Minny was 7.4%. He's been at 7.8, 7.8 and 7.6. He's been pretty close to this most of his career. He has been quite good this postseason, however, and he was at 8.6% in the lone postseason he had with Minny. Some of that may be not playing with Dieng and KAT, right? The biggest rebounders he's contending with on Golden State are Green and Looney, and Kevon hasn't played tons and tons of minutes until this series (and Wiggins prior to this game was back down to 8.3% TRB, a marked departure from the 11.4% he's managing over the whole postseason, again not including tonight's game).

Kid is making the most of his opportunity on a great team.

He really is; the defense he's bringing has been helping and his catch-and-shoot three game is helping. But he's also adding that extra rim pressure, which is really nice for them. Between him and Poole, they've got some younger legs pushing against the defense, which leaves the shooters to do their thing. And of course Wiggins and Poole can both also shoot the 3, which is really nasty.

GSP · Post #5467 » by **GSP** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:56 am

Watch on YouTube

This was great :lol:

70sFan · Post #5468 » by **70sFan** » Mon May 23, 2022 6:48 am

Curry had amazing game, by far the best player on the floor. Wiggins was the only player that played on high level on offense in their team but it didn't matter, because Curry dominated.

Congratulations to GSW to reach another finals. Their defense is absurdly good and their offense is so hard to stop with their constant movement. It'd be tough to beat them even if Curry has a bad finals series (which isn't likely, he looks better and better with each game).

Gooner · Post #5469 » by **Gooner** » Mon May 23, 2022 9:53 am

Warriors are the Bulls of this era. This year they remind me of 96 Bulls, it's their revenge season. They deserve another title.

RCM88x · Post #5470 » by **RCM88x** » Mon May 23, 2022 11:53 am

Luka's on/off numbers in this series have been pretty bad despite him scoring well offensively.

Luka On: -61 in 113 min
Luka Off: +18 in 31 min

Compared to Brunson...

Brunson On: -16 in 104 min
Brunson Off: -27 in 40 min

No-more-rings · Post #5471 » by **No-more-rings** » Mon May 23, 2022 1:41 pm

RCM88x wrote:Luka's on/off numbers in this series have been pretty bad despite him scoring well offensively.

Luka On: -61 in 113 min
Luka Off: +18 in 31 min

Compared to Brunson...

Brunson On: -16 in 104 min
Brunson Off: -27 in 40 min

On/off for a 3 game sample is pretty useless.

eminence · Post #5472 » by **eminence** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:09 pm

I'm interested to see what kind of offers Brunson gets this offseason.

Full season stats together, 1643 minutes:
117.8 Ortg, 113.8 Drtg, +4.0 Net
Luka 42.5 pts/100, 57.5 TS%, 11.8 ast/100, 6.2 tov/100
Brunson 22.3 pts/100, 59.3 TS%, 4.8 ast/100, 1.7 tov/100

Just Luka, 1133 minutes:
112.2 Ortg, 110.1 Drtg, +2.1 Net
Luka 40.4 pts/100, 57.3 TS%, 12.1 ast/100, 6.5 tov/100

Just Brunson, 1446 minutes:
115.4 Ortg, 111.0 Drtg, +4.4 Net
Brunson 33.3 pts/100, 56.7 TS%, 10.0 ast/100, 3.1 tov/100

RCM88x · Post #5473 » by **RCM88x** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:12 pm

No-more-rings wrote:
RCM88x wrote:Luka's on/off numbers in this series have been pretty bad despite him scoring well offensively.

Luka On: -61 in 113 min
Luka Off: +18 in 31 min

Compared to Brunson...

Brunson On: -16 in 104 min
Brunson Off: -27 in 40 min

On/off for a 3 game sample is pretty useless.

Eh, I do think it tells us something here. His supporting cast has actually played pretty well without him I think, even at their best, Houston or Cleveland averaged out to be a negative without Harden or Lebron.

Basically what I'm saying is that the criticism directed towards Luka's supporting cast might not really be warranted, I think they'd played pretty well all things considered. Certainly well enough for Dallas to atleast be up 2-1 or even just down 1-2 in this series.

70sFan · Post #5474 » by **70sFan** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:16 pm

I'm just reading GB and I'm shocked what I read in "More athletic Tatum or Butler" thread. How can people say that Tatum is more athletic than Butler? One poster said that Butler is one of the least athletic stars in the league.

Am I missing something, or is GB that bad?

70sFan · Post #5475 » by **70sFan** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:17 pm

RCM88x wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:
RCM88x wrote:Luka's on/off numbers in this series have been pretty bad despite him scoring well offensively.

Luka On: -61 in 113 min
Luka Off: +18 in 31 min

Compared to Brunson...

Brunson On: -16 in 104 min
Brunson Off: -27 in 40 min

On/off for a 3 game sample is pretty useless.

Eh, I do think it tells us something here. His supporting cast has actually played pretty well without him I think, even at their best, Houston or Cleveland averaged out to be a negative without Harden or Lebron.

Basically what I'm saying is that the criticism directed towards Luka's supporting cast might not really be warranted, I think they'd played pretty well all things considered. Certainly well enough for Dallas to atleast be up 2-1 or even just down 1-2 in this series.

I agree, Dallas didn't play great but it wasn't "Luka alone vs Warriors" type of series. In reality, Luka had one very good game 2, but other than that he's been mediocre for his standards. Games 2 and 3 were certainly winnable, for different reasons.

RCM88x · Post #5476 » by **RCM88x** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:19 pm

eminence wrote:I'm interested to see what kind of offers Brunson gets this offseason.

Full season stats together, 1643 minutes:
117.8 Ortg, 113.8 Drtg, +4.0 Net
Luka 42.5 pts/100, 57.5 TS%, 11.8 ast/100, 6.2 tov/100
Brunson 22.3 pts/100, 59.3 TS%, 4.8 ast/100, 1.7 tov/100

Just Luka, 1133 minutes:
112.2 Ortg, 110.1 Drtg, +2.1 Net
Luka 40.4 pts/100, 57.3 TS%, 12.1 ast/100, 6.5 tov/100

Just Brunson, 1446 minutes:
115.4 Ortg, 111.0 Drtg, +4.4 Net
Brunson 33.3 pts/100, 56.7 TS%, 10.0 ast/100, 3.1 tov/100

Not sure why but he just screams Knicks to me.

eminence · Post #5477 » by **eminence** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:21 pm

70sFan wrote:I'm just reading GB and I'm shocked what I read in "More athletic Tatum or Butler" thread. How can people say that Tatum is more athletic than Butler? One poster said that Butler is one of the least athletic stars in the league.

Am I missing something, or is GB that bad?

Butler is obviously not close to 'least athletic', but I don't think the comparison is a ridiculous one overall.

70sFan · Post #5478 » by **70sFan** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:23 pm

eminence wrote:
70sFan wrote:I'm just reading GB and I'm shocked what I read in "More athletic Tatum or Butler" thread. How can people say that Tatum is more athletic than Butler? One poster said that Butler is one of the least athletic stars in the league.

Am I missing something, or is GB that bad?

Butler is obviously not close to 'least athletic', but I don't think the comparison is a ridiculous one overall.

That's interesting, to me Butler looks considerably more athletic than Tatum (especially if we look at Jimmy from a few years ago). He's stronger, has better body control, jumps higher. I seriously struggle to see a single athletic advantage for Tatum (other than length, but it's not a part of athleticism).

eminence · Post #5479 » by **eminence** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:47 pm

70sFan wrote:
eminence wrote:
70sFan wrote:I'm just reading GB and I'm shocked what I read in "More athletic Tatum or Butler" thread. How can people say that Tatum is more athletic than Butler? One poster said that Butler is one of the least athletic stars in the league.

Am I missing something, or is GB that bad?

Butler is obviously not close to 'least athletic', but I don't think the comparison is a ridiculous one overall.

That's interesting, to me Butler looks considerably more athletic than Tatum (especially if we look at Jimmy from a few years ago). He's stronger, has better body control, jumps higher. I seriously struggle to see a single athletic advantage for Tatum (other than length, but it's not a part of athleticism).

I'll agree on Jimmy of a few years ago.

But as of now, I wouldn't say Jimmy consistently jumps any higher or regularly demonstrates more strength. He is still quicker to my eye.

Length is kinda sorta part of athleticism for me. If two players demonstrate similar athleticism and one is notably larger than the other, usually the athletic edge will be given to the larger player.

Post #5480 » by **Doctor MJ** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:51 pm

RCM88x wrote:Luka's on/off numbers in this series have been pretty bad despite him scoring well offensively.

Luka On: -61 in 113 min
Luka Off: +18 in 31 min

Compared to Brunson...

Brunson On: -16 in 104 min
Brunson Off: -27 in 40 min

I feel like we're seeing that the Warriors have a weakness when it comes to defending quick guards like Morant & Brunson.