2022 NBA Draft - Prospects Discussion

Ron Swanson · Post #341 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sat May 21, 2022 8:24 pm

Just think if we would have kept #31 last year and drafted a guy like Herb Jones (you know, like some of us wanted) how much better position we'd be in for the near future. That's the one valid criticism I have for how the front office has operated in the Bud era. They've generally viewed draft picks as a tool for financial flexibility and not for supplementing talent for the back end of the roster. Like I said a while ago, the whole philosophy of trading back and giving yourself multiple, smaller swings in the 40-60 range is fine, but only if you eventually unearth an actual contributor/rotation guy. So far, they haven't done that.

chonestown · Post #342 » by **chonestown** » Sat May 21, 2022 8:36 pm

I had been a big fan of Herm Jones from way back.

msiris · Post #343 » by **msiris** » Sat May 21, 2022 8:41 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Just think if we would have kept #31 last year and drafted a guy like Herb Jones (you know, like some of us wanted) how much better position we'd be in for the near future. That's the one valid criticism I have for how the front office has operated in the Bud era. They've generally viewed draft picks as a tool for financial flexibility and not for supplementing talent for the back end of the roster. Like I said a while ago, the whole philosophy of trading back and giving yourself multiple, smaller swings in the 40-60 range is fine, but only if you eventually unearth an actual contributor/rotation guy. So far, they haven't done that.

And the regular season would be better as well. More talent to play and spread the minutes more.

machu46 · Post #344 » by **machu46** » Sat May 21, 2022 9:02 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Just think if we would have kept #31 last year and drafted a guy like Herb Jones (you know, like some of us wanted) how much better position we'd be in for the near future. That's the one valid criticism I have for how the front office has operated in the Bud era. They've generally viewed draft picks as a tool for financial flexibility and not for supplementing talent for the back end of the roster. Like I said a while ago, the whole philosophy of trading back and giving yourself multiple, smaller swings in the 40-60 range is fine, but only if you eventually unearth an actual contributor/rotation guy. So far, they haven't done that.

I agree, but I must say there was a lot of resistance here to the Herb Jones idea because of how bad a shooter he was. There was definitely a few of us fighting the good fight though.

I wonder who the most popular choice was at the #31 spot based on how the draft played out. I remember a lot of McBride, Thor, and Ayo fans at the time.

midranger · Post #345 » by **midranger** » Sat May 21, 2022 9:28 pm

Was all in on Ayo.

I still have hope Mamu is going to be a plus player.

BroncoBuck · Post #346 » by **BroncoBuck** » Sat May 21, 2022 10:25 pm

msiris wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Just think if we would have kept #31 last year and drafted a guy like Herb Jones (you know, like some of us wanted) how much better position we'd be in for the near future. That's the one valid criticism I have for how the front office has operated in the Bud era. They've generally viewed draft picks as a tool for financial flexibility and not for supplementing talent for the back end of the roster. Like I said a while ago, the whole philosophy of trading back and giving yourself multiple, smaller swings in the 40-60 range is fine, but only if you eventually unearth an actual contributor/rotation guy. So far, they haven't done that.
And the regular season would be better as well. More talent to play and spread the minutes more.

I bought into the idea the Bucks had a handshake deal with Ayo that he would be our pick. I really like him.

I was all in on Maxey two years ago, that was heartbreaking when he went to Philly just before us. We ended up trading our pick, but I do wonder if he was there if Horst would’ve taken and kept him. (I also liked Jahmius Ramsey as a 2nd rounder that year and I’d like the Bucks to offer him a training camp spot this year. He’s a dog)

ShootingtheJ · Post #347 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat May 21, 2022 10:42 pm

It's interesting, to me at least, that the biggest draft steals out of the last few drafts were players who shot remarkably better as pros than at the collegiate level.

ShootingtheJ · Post #348 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sun May 22, 2022 12:20 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
machu46 wrote:I mean, Bane is exactly the type of guy you draft if you’re looking for someone that can play right away/play in the playoffs.

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I think what Jason is referring to is that Memphis took on Kanters $5 million contract, coupled with 2nds, to get the pick that became Bane. Great move.

However, Founier is owed another $36.8 million. That's just too much.

My poorly articulated thought was if we keep hoping for or going for so-called playoff-ready guys we'll end up with having a revolving door of Grayson Allens and never have a young, controllable prospect with potential. I just used Bane as an example. He's on his way to being Michael Redd for cheap.

My poorly articulated thought was Founier was the unplayable playoff player. Find the right bad contract player who we could rehab and play, and I'd love to move up in the draft for our efforts. I totally belive a rookie could help us

tski1972 · Post #349 » by **tski1972** » Mon May 23, 2022 3:08 am

Just starting to to look at prospects, kinda like Jalen Williams.

ShootingtheJ · Post #350 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:46 am

tski1972 wrote:Just starting to to look at prospects, kinda like Jalen Williams.

I think I like Jaylin Williams better, but if we can get another pick, I'll take both just for the chaos.

Licensed to Il · Post #351 » by **Licensed to Il** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:13 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
I think what Jason is referring to is that Memphis took on Kanters $5 million contract, coupled with 2nds, to get the pick that became Bane. Great move.

However, Founier is owed another $36.8 million. That's just too much.

My poorly articulated thought was if we keep hoping for or going for so-called playoff-ready guys we'll end up with having a revolving door of Grayson Allens and never have a young, controllable prospect with potential. I just used Bane as an example. He's on his way to being Michael Redd for cheap.

My poorly articulated thought was Founier was the unplayable playoff player. Find the right bad contract player who we could rehab and play, and I'd love to move up in the draft for our efforts. I totally belive a rookie could help us

Fournier has some grossness to his game, google “fournier” and you will know what I mean.

machu46 · Post #352 » by **machu46** » Mon May 23, 2022 11:17 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
tski1972 wrote:Just starting to to look at prospects, kinda like Jalen Williams.

I think I like Jaylin Williams better, but if we can get another pick, I'll take both just for the chaos.

I feel like he’s gonna be an effective player in the league but god I just despise the flopping.

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emunney · Post #353 » by **emunney** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:29 pm

machu46 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
tski1972 wrote:Just starting to to look at prospects, kinda like Jalen Williams.

I think I like Jaylin Williams better, but if we can get another pick, I'll take both just for the chaos.

I feel like he’s gonna be an effective player in the league but god I just despise the flopping.

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He's like a 6-10 Jared Dudley. Gonna play for winners for a decade+.

GoldenAntlers · Post #354 » by **GoldenAntlers** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:50 pm

Sheesh, give a warning next time. You gave me Bucks PTSD mentioning Dudley.

SupremeHustle · Post #355 » by **SupremeHustle** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:56 pm

Licensed to Il wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:
My poorly articulated thought was if we keep hoping for or going for so-called playoff-ready guys we'll end up with having a revolving door of Grayson Allens and never have a young, controllable prospect with potential. I just used Bane as an example. He's on his way to being Michael Redd for cheap.

My poorly articulated thought was Founier was the unplayable playoff player. Find the right bad contract player who we could rehab and play, and I'd love to move up in the draft for our efforts. I totally belive a rookie could help us

Fournier has some grossness to his game, google “fournier” and you will know what I mean.

Even Evan is in on that joke.

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Licensed to Il · Post #356 » by **Licensed to Il** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:12 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:
Licensed to Il wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
My poorly articulated thought was Founier was the unplayable playoff player. Find the right bad contract player who we could rehab and play, and I'd love to move up in the draft for our efforts. I totally belive a rookie could help us

Fournier has some grossness to his game, google “fournier” and you will know what I mean.

Even Evan is in on that joke.

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Hey Mr Hollywood, if you guys are going to reboot every movie and sitcom from ten years ago, I can reboot a classic realgm joke from that era as well.

machu46 · Post #357 » by **machu46** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:34 pm

emunney wrote:
machu46 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
I think I like Jaylin Williams better, but if we can get another pick, I'll take both just for the chaos.

I feel like he’s gonna be an effective player in the league but god I just despise the flopping.

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He's like a 6-10 Jared Dudley. Gonna play for winners for a decade+.

Yeah, just kinda in the same boat as someone like Smart for me where I’m like “he’ll definitely help the team, but at what cost? Will I be able to root for him?”

I don’t know if I can tbh. I hated him enough just from watching the couple of games I caught during the season.

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Ron Swanson · Post #358 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:47 pm

Lot to like about Jalen Williams, but man, on some of the college highlights I watched, dude looks like he's moving in quicksand. His physical profile alleviates some of the concerns, but he might be a guy who really struggles to either get by or defend NBA athletes.

Post #359 » by **Prez** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:55 pm

Give me all the annoying floppers. If we’re gonna be facing all these clown ass floppers round after round in the playoffs I want some on our side lol.

SupremeHustle · Post #360 » by **SupremeHustle** » Mon May 23, 2022 6:34 pm

Licensed to Il wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:
Licensed to Il wrote:
Fournier has some grossness to his game, google “fournier” and you will know what I mean.

Even Evan is in on that joke.

Read on Twitter

Hey Mr Hollywood, if you guys are going to reboot every movie and sitcom from ten years ago, I can reboot a classic realgm joke from that era as well.

Understood. Just know that some of us are trying to change that!