Krawczynski: Tim Connelly as POBO (Official! page 6)

[shangrila]

Not going to lie an 8 year deal where he gets, say $5m per year? Is a little scary. I don't think he's proven that.

If it doesn’t count against the cap then as fans why care how they spend their money? Do you also worry they’re not charging enough for hot dogs at Target Center?

It keeps me up some nights

[moss_is_1]

Not going to lie an 8 year deal where he gets, say $5m per year? Is a little scary. I don't think he's proven that.

If it doesn’t count against the cap then as fans why care how they spend their money? Do you also worry they’re not charging enough for hot dogs at Target Center?

You care because if the owners spend a fortune on a player or POBO, and they don’t work out, they may be less likely to pay them to go away if they have a ton of money left on their deals.

Shrink nailed it. Sure, I personally don't care and it doesn't affect the teams cap, but Lore/Arod may be less inclined to hand out a big deal to another POBO if Connelly is a flop. I don't think he's a slam dunk, it is a risky move.

[jpatrick]

If it doesn’t count against the cap then as fans why care how they spend their money? Do you also worry they’re not charging enough for hot dogs at Target Center?

You care because if the owners spend a fortune on a player or POBO, and they don’t work out, they may be less likely to pay them to go away if they have a ton of money left on their deals.

Shrink nailed it. Sure, I personally don't care and it doesn't affect the teams cap, but Lore/Arod may be less inclined to hand out a big deal to another POBO if Connelly is a flop. I don't think he's a slam dunk, it is a risky move.

Giving one of the largest deals to a POBO, which may include ownership interest, is a big deal. Arod/Lore are not the richest ownership group in the league and are generally on the low side as far as net worth. If this fails, will they eat the money to get rid of Connelly? Will they go cheap next time?

That said, 100% worth the risk. Connelly has built Denver with some of the lowest resources in the league. Not only have the Kroenke’s refused to go into the luxury tax, they refused to pay up for facilities. Apparently their practice facility is smaller than some high schools and they didn’t even have a parking garage until recently (a podcast said players had to dig their cars out after snowstorms). Plus, rumor is they meddled some, including pushing for MPJ’s max contract.

What I like about Connelly is not only is he a culture guy (like Gupta), but he’s 100% pure scout. Came from a scouting family and worked his way up because he could identify talent. He’s proven this as the head guy, both in the first and second rounds but by signing undervalued guys from other teams. Gupta’s scouting background is a little more nebulous to me. I know he’s a MIT guy that created the trade machine that comes up tons of ideas, but what is his eye for talent? I don’t know. I also though Gupta was the Wolves CBA guy for some reason, but apparently no, Dane Moore noted the guy on his last pod.

Give me the guy with a proven record for identifying talent. Hopefully they both stay. Although, Doogie tweeted rumors that if Connelly came, he’d bring a “name” with him from another NBA team whatever that means.

[wolves_89]

Giving one of the largest deals to a POBO, which may include ownership interest, is a big deal. Arod/Lore are not the richest ownership group in the league and are generally on the low side as far as net worth. If this fails, will they eat the money to get rid of Connelly? Will they go cheap next time?

I thought Lore was worth around $4B which would put him in the top half of NBA owners in terms of net worth. Granted Arod is not on the same level in terms of wealth ($400M), but as a group I don't think we can rate them as lacking in monetary resources. For reference, I've seen Glen Taylor's net worth estimated at around $2.4B.

[jpatrick]

Giving one of the largest deals to a POBO, which may include ownership interest, is a big deal. Arod/Lore are not the richest ownership group in the league and are generally on the low side as far as net worth. If this fails, will they eat the money to get rid of Connelly? Will they go cheap next time?

I thought Lore was worth around $4B which would put him in the top half of NBA owners in terms of net worth. Granted Arod is not on the same level in terms of wealth ($400M), but as a group I don't think we can rate them as lacking in monetary resources. For reference, I've seen Glen Taylor's net worth estimated at around $2.4B.

I seem to remember him being listed as worth about 1B when their deal with Taylor was announced but Google tells me 4B.

[NebWolvesFan]

Giving one of the largest deals to a POBO, which may include ownership interest, is a big deal. Arod/Lore are not the richest ownership group in the league and are generally on the low side as far as net worth. If this fails, will they eat the money to get rid of Connelly? Will they go cheap next time?

I thought Lore was worth around $4B which would put him in the top half of NBA owners in terms of net worth. Granted Arod is not on the same level in terms of wealth ($400M), but as a group I don't think we can rate them as lacking in monetary resources. For reference, I've seen Glen Taylor's net worth estimated at around $2.4B.

I seem to remember him being listed as worth about 1B when their deal with Taylor was announced but Google tells me 4B.

Lorre and ARod both own a lot of assets as venture capitalists. They could sell their share in these businesses to create capital and pay off Taylor. The postponement of payments allows the two new owners to wait and hopefully make money from these business before selling them or parts of them for cash.

[Klomp]

I'm skeptical he will leave Denver, he's been courted by other teams before. The uncertainty in our ownership situation has to give him some pause. Taylor has a deservedly bad rep, and there is nothing stopping him from pulling the plug on the sale until majority ownership acutally changes hands.

I don't think he was offered near what we are rumored to be offering or enough for him to leave at the time. For example, I read last night he was looking for a 5-year deal. Washington only offered 4 years.

[jpatrick]

I'm skeptical he will leave Denver, he's been courted by other teams before. The uncertainty in our ownership situation has to give him some pause. Taylor has a deservedly bad rep, and there is nothing stopping him from pulling the plug on the sale until majority ownership acutally changes hands.

I don't think he was offered near what we are rumored to be offering or enough for him to leave at the time. For example, I read last night he was looking for a 5-year deal. Washington only offered 4 years.

Are we assuming the longer this goes on, the less likely Connelly accept our offer? He’s either struggling with leaving Denver or allowing Denver to make a counter offer.

[Klomp]

I'm skeptical he will leave Denver, he's been courted by other teams before. The uncertainty in our ownership situation has to give him some pause. Taylor has a deservedly bad rep, and there is nothing stopping him from pulling the plug on the sale until majority ownership acutally changes hands.

I don't think he was offered near what we are rumored to be offering or enough for him to leave at the time. For example, I read last night he was looking for a 5-year deal. Washington only offered 4 years.

Are we assuming the longer this goes on, the less likely Connelly accept our offer? He’s either struggling with leaving Denver or allowing Denver to make a counter offer.

It's a big decision. Let the man discuss it with his family...

[Klomp]

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[Calinks]

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[jpatrick]

In a little shock. Will be interesting to see how he fills out the front office.

[jscott]

Glad it happened. Looking forward to what’s next for this franchise.

[Krapinsky]

This is probably the first time we have done something right with a head of bball OPS front office hire in the history of the franchise. Kudos to Lore and A-Rod.

[Krapinsky]

Not going to lie an 8 year deal where he gets, say $5m per year? Is a little scary. I don't think he's proven that.

If it doesn’t count against the cap then as fans why care how they spend their money? Do you also worry they’re not charging enough for hot dogs at Target Center?

You care because if the owners spend a fortune on a player or POBO, and they don’t work out, they may be less likely to pay them to go away if they have a ton of money left on their deals.

I don't know - it seems like some MN fans will always find away to complain. I see this as a major turning point for the franchise. Finally turning the page from the Taylor era.

[Calinks]

I'm not against it, I was just cautious. If he really is that good then it's amazing to get this in place. Seems he already has had a solid relationship with Finch, we may really have alignment and stability now.

[kidfozzy]

Soo, RIP Gupta?
I hope not.

[moss_is_1]

If it doesn’t count against the cap then as fans why care how they spend their money? Do you also worry they’re not charging enough for hot dogs at Target Center?

You care because if the owners spend a fortune on a player or POBO, and they don’t work out, they may be less likely to pay them to go away if they have a ton of money left on their deals.

I don't know - it seems like some MN fans will always find away to complain. I see this as a major turning point for the franchise. Finally turning the page from the Taylor era.

Where did I complain? lol First post in this thread is me saying I'm on board. I said I was just cautious about an 8 year deal paying him big money. He's been good, but not a homerun. I am excited, and I think that he was handicapped by ownership in Denver to an extent. I think he's going to be even better with us if Lore/Arod back up their talk which it seems they are going to be great.

[Calinks]

Next up for Lore and Arod... New Arena.