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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#401 » by DusterBuster » Tue May 24, 2022 4:46 am

Wickzki wrote:
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Wickzki wrote:I hope Blazers fans are ready for the vacuum cleaner to ignite. 8-)


I've read this post a few times now and I'm no closer to understanding what it's getting at. Vacuum cleaner cause draft night might suck, but why would it ignite? Is the igniting a "good" thing?


Dyson (vacuum cleaner manufacturer) Daniels of the G League Ignite by way of Bendigo, Victoria.


Oh.

I mean, good wordplay but that seems pretty obscure imo, but I might just not be connected enough
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Post#402 » by Blazinaway » Tue May 24, 2022 3:48 pm

Dyson the "igniting vacuum cleaner" Daniels movin up da board

" Dyson Daniels (Top 100: No. 6)
Daniels continued his rapid ascent with an impressive showing at the Octagon Pro Day, where he displayed impressive shot-making prowess. Decision-makers from virtually every team in the NBA lottery were on hand to watch what appeared to be, in my view, the most eye-opening workout of the week in Chicago. NBA teams were buzzing afterward about Daniels' talent, throwing out comparisons to the likes of Tyrese Haliburton and Khris Middleton.

Daniels, an alumnus of the NBA Global Academy and G League Ignite program, has grown considerably in the past few years, adding 3 inches and 30 pounds of bulk. Even so, he appears nowhere close to reaching his physical potential with an outstanding frame and near 7-foot wingspan. The knowledge that Daniels has guard skills, with measurements that should allow him to moonlight at power forward as his frame fills out over time, is intriguing in today's NBA. The way teams rave about Daniels' interviews at the combine and the background intel they have received is clearly working in his favor. There's a real comfort level with what seems to be an extremely high floor for Daniels as a prospect, while the thought process regarding his ultimate ceiling appears to be evolving daily. -- Givony"
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#403 » by Goldbum » Tue May 24, 2022 3:54 pm

Blazinaway wrote:Dyson the "igniting vacuum cleaner" Daniels movin up da board

" Dyson Daniels (Top 100: No. 6)
Daniels continued his rapid ascent with an impressive showing at the Octagon Pro Day, where he displayed impressive shot-making prowess. Decision-makers from virtually every team in the NBA lottery were on hand to watch what appeared to be, in my view, the most eye-opening workout of the week in Chicago. NBA teams were buzzing afterward about Daniels' talent, throwing out comparisons to the likes of Tyrese Haliburton and Khris Middleton.

Daniels, an alumnus of the NBA Global Academy and G League Ignite program, has grown considerably in the past few years, adding 3 inches and 30 pounds of bulk. Even so, he appears nowhere close to reaching his physical potential with an outstanding frame and near 7-foot wingspan. The knowledge that Daniels has guard skills, with measurements that should allow him to moonlight at power forward as his frame fills out over time, is intriguing in today's NBA. The way teams rave about Daniels' interviews at the combine and the background intel they have received is clearly working in his favor. There's a real comfort level with what seems to be an extremely high floor for Daniels as a prospect, while the thought process regarding his ultimate ceiling appears to be evolving daily. -- Givony"


If we stay put this is my guy. Day 1 he's elite as defender and playmaker among SFs in the league.
He an even play Point Forward allowing Portland to play Hart and Keon at the same time.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#404 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue May 24, 2022 5:42 pm

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Blazinaway wrote:Dyson the "igniting vacuum cleaner" Daniels movin up da board

" Dyson Daniels (Top 100: No. 6)
Daniels continued his rapid ascent with an impressive showing at the Octagon Pro Day, where he displayed impressive shot-making prowess. Decision-makers from virtually every team in the NBA lottery were on hand to watch what appeared to be, in my view, the most eye-opening workout of the week in Chicago. NBA teams were buzzing afterward about Daniels' talent, throwing out comparisons to the likes of Tyrese Haliburton and Khris Middleton.

Daniels, an alumnus of the NBA Global Academy and G League Ignite program, has grown considerably in the past few years, adding 3 inches and 30 pounds of bulk. Even so, he appears nowhere close to reaching his physical potential with an outstanding frame and near 7-foot wingspan. The knowledge that Daniels has guard skills, with measurements that should allow him to moonlight at power forward as his frame fills out over time, is intriguing in today's NBA. The way teams rave about Daniels' interviews at the combine and the background intel they have received is clearly working in his favor. There's a real comfort level with what seems to be an extremely high floor for Daniels as a prospect, while the thought process regarding his ultimate ceiling appears to be evolving daily. -- Givony"


If we stay put this is my guy. Day 1 he's elite as defender and playmaker among SFs in the league.
He an even play Point Forward allowing Portland to play Hart and Keon at the same time.


Same. I think he can be Batum with a better motor and less penchant for disappearing.

Realistically, if we keep all our picks I am hoping for:

7 - Dyson Daniels GF (6'7.5,195lbs, 6'10.5 WS, 19 YO)
36 - Gabriel Procida GF (6'7.75, 193lbs, 6'8 WS, 20 YO)
59 - Karlo Matkovic C (6'10, NA, NA, 21 YO)

I have Daniels rated 7th, Procida around 18 (No clue why he isnt getting chatter at least around the 20's, think he goes Top-25 in the end) and think Karlo is a late riser (Same team as Jovic, older at 21, great athleticism for his size, showing a 3PT shot in workouts, excellent motor for a big, think Theis / Kleber as a 3/D but also a lob threat)

My overall ideal offseason would be to make the above picks, trade Bledsoe + Winslow for Hayward and then move TPE + MIL25 for Grant. Give McGee the BAE for a year.

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons / Keon Johnson
G - Anfernee Simons / Josh Hart / Gabriel Procida
F - Gordon Hayward / Nas Little / Dyson Daniels
F - Jerami Grant / Gordon Hayward / Greg Brown
C - Jusuf Nurkic / JaVale McGee / Trendon Watford

Overseas - Karlo Matkovic C

Realistically, I think Dyson and Procida are gone by 7 + 36, that CHA wont salary dump Gordon and that DET would demand more than the MIL FRP for Grant. Think we end up w/ AJ Griffin and some trash band aid MLE signing before running it back for no meaningful results.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#405 » by Goldbum » Tue May 24, 2022 6:50 pm

If Sharpe and Dyson are gone at 7 then either Murray or another piece will be there. I take Dyson at 7 and am happy about it.
If you can get 2 of the defense 1st jumbo wings maybe you consider trading down but right now I just take Daniels unless I can get 2 of Sochan, Eason, and Dieng.
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Post#406 » by Norm2953 » Tue May 24, 2022 7:02 pm

The ESPN aritcle seems sky high on guys like Daniels and Sharpe.

If the three bigs go 1-3, one of Sharpe, Daniels, Ivey and Murray have to be there at 7, giving Portland
a solid player who will be here and cost controlled under his rookie deal for the next 5 seasons.

It would be truly stupid to give away a chance at getting a good player just to build another team
that can't really compete for a championship.
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Post#407 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Tue May 24, 2022 8:28 pm

I can go in on Daniels. Handle, passing, defense I love those from a wing/forward prospect. Shooting can come around. My biggest hesitation was his seeming passiveness around scoring ala Batum but if he is impressing GMs in his interviews then hopefully that wont be a problem.
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Post#408 » by Butter » Wed May 25, 2022 2:34 am

Daniels sounds like he has the potential to be Ben Simmons 2.0, minus the...extra drama.
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Post#409 » by Norm2953 » Wed May 25, 2022 6:17 am

The apparent rise of Daniels is good news for Portland. He's grown nearly 3 inches and gained 30 lbs and is
still growing.

Draft comparisons of Ja Morant (Ivey) and very good scouting reports on Murray means this draft is shaping
up well. Sharpe is going to be the big question mark for the guy simply hasn't played since his junior year
in HS but the scouts can see he has talent.
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Post#410 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed May 25, 2022 1:37 pm

If Dyson can play SF, it opens Nas to being included in the ever talked about Grant trade.

TPE, MIL25 for Grant
Nas for Joseph

Pretty hesitant to pay Nas anyways with his injury history. Might be smart to cash on him now.
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Post#411 » by Goldbum » Fri May 27, 2022 12:01 am

I 100% sd on Daniels at 7 if we stay.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#412 » by Goldbum » Fri May 27, 2022 12:05 am

I 100% sold on Daniels at 7 if we stay. I'm starting to worry that we won't get him.

Anyone else interested in Precious Achiuwa as a potential starting PF? He and DD would compliment Dame/Ant/Nurkic incredibly well.
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Post#413 » by Case2012 » Fri May 27, 2022 1:29 am

I can't believe we signed Mike Schmitz as an assistant GM. This is the best front office move made in years. Unbelievable win for Cronin.

I'm not sold on Dyson at all though. He's a taller Evan Turner. I think it's hilarious after years of Batum and then Turner you guys are clamoring to take Dyson at 7.

I trust Mike Schmitz though. I can't believe we basically signed draft Express as our head scout. Mind blown.
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Post#414 » by Norm2953 » Fri May 27, 2022 1:57 am

Daniels is close to 6-8 and over 200 lbs. Unlikely to there at 7 but the alternative for Portland
is Sharpe who is the wild card in this draft.

Has anyone heard when the lottery teams will be bringing in guys to their local facilities for
the workouts?
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Post#415 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri May 27, 2022 2:56 am

Case2012 wrote:I can't believe we signed Mike Schmitz as an assistant GM. This is the best front office move made in years. Unbelievable win for Cronin.

I'm not sold on Dyson at all though. He's a taller Evan Turner. I think it's hilarious after years of Batum and then Turner you guys are clamoring to take Dyson at 7.

I trust Mike Schmitz though. I can't believe we basically signed draft Express as our head scout. Mind blown.


I still don’t understand how you can think a Batum level guy isn’t worth #7 in most drafts, let alone this one that is so meh at the top.

If Dyson is the next Batum taking him at 7 is a no brainer.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#416 » by Case2012 » Fri May 27, 2022 3:08 am

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Case2012 wrote:I can't believe we signed Mike Schmitz as an assistant GM. This is the best front office move made in years. Unbelievable win for Cronin.

I'm not sold on Dyson at all though. He's a taller Evan Turner. I think it's hilarious after years of Batum and then Turner you guys are clamoring to take Dyson at 7.

I trust Mike Schmitz though. I can't believe we basically signed draft Express as our head scout. Mind blown.


I still don’t understand how you can think a Batum level guy isn’t worth #7 in most drafts, let alone this one that is so meh at the top.

If Dyson is the next Batum taking him at 7 is a no brainer.

Batum was extremely frustrating to watch for years. I don't miss stat lines like 7, 4 and 3 most of the time and then games where he had 22, 5 and 5 every 10 games. It was cringe watching him try to create and get to the rim too. We must remember very different batums.
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Post#417 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Fri May 27, 2022 3:41 am

Case2012 wrote:
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Case2012 wrote:I can't believe we signed Mike Schmitz as an assistant GM. This is the best front office move made in years. Unbelievable win for Cronin.

I'm not sold on Dyson at all though. He's a taller Evan Turner. I think it's hilarious after years of Batum and then Turner you guys are clamoring to take Dyson at 7.

I trust Mike Schmitz though. I can't believe we basically signed draft Express as our head scout. Mind blown.


I still don’t understand how you can think a Batum level guy isn’t worth #7 in most drafts, let alone this one that is so meh at the top.

If Dyson is the next Batum taking him at 7 is a no brainer.

Batum was extremely frustrating to watch for years. I don't miss stat lines like 7, 4 and 3 most of the time and then games where he had 22, 5 and 5 every 10 games. It was cringe watching him try to create and get to the rim too. We must remember very different batums.


It's more a familiar comparison to talent and skill set, but Daniels is a wholly different person and could take and use that skillset differently.

It also took Batum quite a while to become the kind of playmaker he ended up being (he slipped because he was very raw) while it looks like Daniels is maybe further along in that regard. Daniels does not look like a #1 alpha type scorer but his archetype is very intriguing especially if we can develop his shooting...
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Post#418 » by Case2012 » Fri May 27, 2022 4:54 am

Sure, I acknowledge that these are different people but the last 2 people we had with these skill sets had questionable motors, and it seems like Daniels suffers from that as well. It he could shoot, I would be more convinced but scoring is the easiest skill to translate to the NBA and I can't remember the last time someone shot 25% from 3 ever became remotely passable as a shooter.

I could be wrong. I've watched a decent amount of scouting reports on him and I'm not seeing what you guys are, but like I said the draft is unpredictable and futures aren't determined.
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Post#419 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Fri May 27, 2022 6:31 am

Case2012 wrote:Sure, I acknowledge that these are different people but the last 2 people we had with these skill sets had questionable motors, and it seems like Daniels suffers from that as well. It he could shoot, I would be more convinced but scoring is the easiest skill to translate to the NBA and I can't remember the last time someone shot 25% from 3 ever became remotely passable as a shooter.

I could be wrong. I've watched a decent amount of scouting reports on him and I'm not seeing what you guys are, but like I said the draft is unpredictable and futures aren't determined.


Yeah, I get hesitation with him at 7, he's just kind of recently been moved into that conversation and every year we get hyped prospects that move up and never justify the hype.

I just like the archetype and I guess I'm a sucker for players that pass and move the ball well for their position, I think its one of the better insights into BBIQ and so am much more likely to take a risk on developing a raw prospect if they move the ball well.
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Post#420 » by Case2012 » Fri May 27, 2022 6:35 am

I love pass first players, especially forwards. That's how I played when I was younger. You need to be able to shoot though otherwise you can't draw the defense to make those slick passes.
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