***Official 2021-22 Offseason Thread***

[MrDollarBills]

Who has the cap space, positional need and intestinal fortitude to throw max money at Kyrie? Orlando?

i mean, do you really wanna go into the season with Kyrie/Nets FO being at odds? He's already difficult to handle when youre coddling him. Last time Cleveland tried to control him, he threatened to get an optional minor surgery and sit out the season. He just gave up half of last years salary to take a stand. This is the dude you wanna play chicken with?

If the Nets dont want to extend Kyrie, theyre gonna have to trade him, cause i dont see how else it ends well.

You can question whether "he's the dude you wanna play chicken with" but I'd rather play chicken then sign up for a long term commitment. The Nets have a questionable 1-2 year window. I'd rather close it early & rebuild than extend it further & be saddled with an albatross contract.

This.

Kyrie is 100% untrustworthy. We don't know what he will do next. I'd have him opt in and we do a 1 + 1 but a full length max contract is out of the question.

Also, Kyrie did this to himself. The Nets have been more than gracious to him.

[Galou]

KD didn't talk to the front office since the 1st rd exit and Sean Marks not willing to extend kyrie?

Interesting. I was hoping Kyrie signed a big contract so the Nets can be in a hole but yall said nope. Very smart.

It's best both of those chumps leave then maybe this rivalry with the Knicks can finally be genuine like it was for the Bulls, Celtics, & Heat.

[mademan]

i mean, do you really wanna go into the season with Kyrie/Nets FO being at odds? He's already difficult to handle when youre coddling him. Last time Cleveland tried to control him, he threatened to get an optional minor surgery and sit out the season. He just gave up half of last years salary to take a stand. This is the dude you wanna play chicken with?

If the Nets dont want to extend Kyrie, theyre gonna have to trade him, cause i dont see how else it ends well.

You can question whether "he's the dude you wanna play chicken with" but I'd rather play chicken then sign up for a long term commitment. The Nets have a questionable 1-2 year window. I'd rather close it early & rebuild than extend it further & be saddled with an albatross contract.

This.

Kyrie is 100% untrustworthy. We don't know what he will do next. I'd have him opt in and we do a 1 + 1 but a full length max contract is out of the question.

Also, Kyrie did this to himself. The Nets have been more than gracious to him.

I absolutely agree. I just question the game plan, because if Kyrie wants a long term deal and the Nets arent willing to give it to him, then you have to trade him, no? Cause i cant imagine being the squad that has a staring contest with Kyrie while trying to win a title. Youre just asking for another dysfunctional season

[IceManBK1]

Kyrie to Min for Dlo, McDaniels, Reid and 1st.
Would love dlo back on Nets. Should've never traded dlo and Allen and the gang. Dlo reunites with Simmons who they won HS state Champs together. Maybe trade Durant too for an Allstar big in return. Durant for AD maybe? LeBron would approve that trade.

[MrDollarBills]

You can question whether "he's the dude you wanna play chicken with" but I'd rather play chicken then sign up for a long term commitment. The Nets have a questionable 1-2 year window. I'd rather close it early & rebuild than extend it further & be saddled with an albatross contract.

This.

Kyrie is 100% untrustworthy. We don't know what he will do next. I'd have him opt in and we do a 1 + 1 but a full length max contract is out of the question.

Also, Kyrie did this to himself. The Nets have been more than gracious to him.

I absolutely agree. I just question the game plan, because if Kyrie wants a long term deal and the Nets arent willing to give it to him, then you have to trade him, no? Cause i cant imagine being the squad that has a staring contest with Kyrie while trying to win a title. Youre just asking for another dysfunctional season

I've been wanting to get rid of Kyrie for months now. If LA is willing to trade AD for Kyrie I'd do it in a heartbeat

[mademan]

This.

Kyrie is 100% untrustworthy. We don't know what he will do next. I'd have him opt in and we do a 1 + 1 but a full length max contract is out of the question.

Also, Kyrie did this to himself. The Nets have been more than gracious to him.

I absolutely agree. I just question the game plan, because if Kyrie wants a long term deal and the Nets arent willing to give it to him, then you have to trade him, no? Cause i cant imagine being the squad that has a staring contest with Kyrie while trying to win a title. Youre just asking for another dysfunctional season

I've been wanting to get rid of Kyrie for months now. If LA is willing to trade AD for Kyrie I'd do it in a heartbeat

cmon now. You know theyre not willing to do that. lol

[GTR11]

KD didn't talk to the front office since the 1st rd exit and Sean Marks not willing to extend kyrie?

Interesting. I was hoping Kyrie signed a big contract so the Nets can be in a hole but yall said nope. Very smart.

It's best both of those chumps leave then maybe this rivalry with the Knicks can finally be genuine like it was for the Bulls, Celtics, & Heat.

Hey ping pong trash

Read on Twitter

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Now go enjoy misery.

[GTR11]

It would be idiotic not to extend Kyrie.

Despite all his trouble, there is no more mandate and the worst is behind him.

Worst case he is still tradable. Hes young enough for a bad team to take a chance on him.

KD is still a top 5 player.

And there will be major upgrades to the roster.

Why would you not take that?

Otherwise we lose Durant and suck again? Is that really better?

The Nets can turn it aorund.

The major change Marks needs to make is to FIRE NASH.

Instead of doing that hes playing games with Kyrie. Moron.

Who has the cap space, positional need and intestinal fortitude to throw max money at Kyrie? Orlando?

i mean, do you really wanna go into the season with Kyrie/Nets FO being at odds? He's already difficult to handle when youre coddling him. Last time Cleveland tried to control him, he threatened to get an optional minor surgery and sit out the season. He just gave up half of last years salary to take a stand. This is the dude you wanna play chicken with?

If the Nets dont want to extend Kyrie, theyre gonna have to trade him, cause i dont see how else it ends well.

Yeah you right. Duh nix in pretty but situation, I haven't even bother to watch them or think. They managed to bring 2000's hell back on themselves.

Looking at the cap situation. Only select few teams can sign him straight up. Neither team will though. It will have to be S&T, Kyrie will have to play along now. He ain't got much of a market to lean on. I also don't see Tsai paying big tax money in order to appease him.

[IceManBK1]

dlo(Irving to Min for Dlo, McDaniels, Naz Reid and couple 1sts)
Joe Harris
Jaden McDaniels
Ben Simmons
AD(KD to for AD)

Seth curry
Patty Mills
Bruce Brown
Claxton/Griffin
Drummonds/Naz Reid

Would be awesome to watch...good balance of 3 pt shooting and rebding and defense.

[TheNetsFan]

KD didn't talk to the front office since the 1st rd exit and Sean Marks not willing to extend kyrie?

Interesting. I was hoping Kyrie signed a big contract so the Nets can be in a hole but yall said nope. Very smart.

It's best both of those chumps leave then maybe this rivalry with the Knicks can finally be genuine like it was for the Bulls, Celtics, & Heat.

Hey ping pong trash

Read on Twitter

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Now go enjoy misery.

The Nets we're eliminated about a month ago. KD told Letterman he always takes about 3 weeks off after the season. We know KD has been globetrotting. Taking an extended vacation is not cause for concern.

[MrDollarBills]

KD didn't talk to the front office since the 1st rd exit and Sean Marks not willing to extend kyrie?

Interesting. I was hoping Kyrie signed a big contract so the Nets can be in a hole but yall said nope. Very smart.

It's best both of those chumps leave then maybe this rivalry with the Knicks can finally be genuine like it was for the Bulls, Celtics, & Heat.

Hey ping pong trash

Read on Twitter

?s=20&t=IlYZhf03O03KxbcOjdS6DQ

Now go enjoy misery.

The Nets we're eliminated about a month ago. KD told Letterman he always takes about 3 weeks off after the season. We know KD has been globetrotting. Taking an extended vacation is not cause for concern.

Who talks to their employer while they're on vacation

[gigantes]

Sounds like you guys might get your wish to rebuild for another 10 years. CANT WAIT.

It sucks but do you honestly see this situation working out? Kyrie is unstable, Ben is scared to get back on the court, and KD is going to be 34 next season. Nash is completely inept.

This has been a failure. I'm not sure how this will turnaround.

We were the best team in the league last year before injuries. I'm not ready to blow it up because we had 1 disaster year. KD is 34 and he was so good last year he was All NBA 2nd team while missing 30 games. If Marks builds a roster that actually makes sense, we're right back in the mix. It's not rocket science - literally every single team in the playoffs was built better than we were. That includes the Pelicans who made it only cause of the play-in. Marks was spectacularly bad last off-season + this season.

I honestly think some fans (not you specifically) forget what rebuilding is. We had the ONE fun year with Kenny, DLo, etc. Every year before that in Brooklyn was straight up miserable. We go from potential contender to a 25 win team hoping that Cam Thomas turns into an all star. I could watch the Knicks if I want to see that kind of stuff.

The rebuilding Nets under Kenny were barely even a 'rebuilding team' the first through second seasons, so that's not a fair assessment IMO. To be me they were more like a mismatched collection of oddballs & stray parts, heavy on discards by other teams.

By contrast, most rebuilding teams actually start with some pretty good drafted prospects, which may or may not work out. But either way, there's at least a decent ceiling. Those Nets teams must have had one of the lowest ceilings in NBA history.

But even so, watching Kenny transform them in to a hard-nosed team that consistently stole games from much better teams was fun for me to watch even by season two. Or maybe that's just me, because I've never been one of those pouters who was only happy if a team had title aspirations.

Anyway, moving ahead, I disagree with you again that we only had 'one disaster season.' Even Harden's first year was a disaster in all kinds of avoidable ways, such as Nash chronically overplaying Harden, leading to an almost inevitable injury, to Kyrie deciding to play whenever the hell he felt like it, notifying the team whenever the hell he felt like it, to Marks installing a complete amateur of a HC.

So that's two disaster seasons in a row, looking pretty good to go 3 for 3 now, locked in to an aging, overplayed star who's at a growing risk to get injured, a borderline cancer as his running mate, a HC still way over his head, a mediocre coaching staff, a third star who even if he gets healthy, has question marks everywhere about his game, and barely the cap space to sign useful players to fit around them. All hail Bruce Brown, of course.

I would be 100% okay blowing this team sky-high for whatever draft assets were available, hiring a real coach, then doing a proper rebuild this time, and not panicking like last time.

Or would you prefer wasting yet more time only to keep dreaming futile teams?

[CalamityX12]

Love to believe Nets not talking long term extension right now.

Kyrie opts in for a prove it deal.

What blows my mind is that if we let him go, we can't sign anyone of all star significance

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kyrie should pick up his option and show the club he's serious about playing basketball and winning. I don't blame the Nets for not wanting to extend him after what he's done.

Nash needs to go too.

No he shouldn't.


Kyrie knows he can get a long term deal if he doesn't get one here.

We would lose Kyrie for nothing and then KD.

If Marks wants to suddenly be so tough then **** fire Nash.

He will do anything to let his friend off the hook.

To me Nash is 100x the problem that Kyrie is now that the mandate is lifted.

I think it would be fairly easy to trade Kyrie at the deadline if need be.

KD is locked in already, we can trade him if that's the case but the price tag for another team will be high, tons of young prospects and picks would have to go. Also, keep in mind Simmons is still here at 25 and he is a star prospect and we know what he is capable of. Nets could be retooling for all we know. Connecting the dots together, Kyrie wants to be in L.A. and he may get his wish. Why there is so much overreaction is beyond me. He is not dependable and I am sure KD is well aware of what is going on and does not want to waste another prime year. Basically what we can conclude here is Kyrie wants LeBron to salvage his value and bring him to L.A.....Hence he is reconciling with him. Nets can fill out the roster with very good players to construct a contender. I could be wrong but with the news leaking about Nets unwilling to offer him a max, I wouldn't be surprised Kyrie is warming up to LeBron to go to L.A.

Who the **** cares about getting young prospects and picks for KD? Are you kidding me?

On what planet is that worth it.

Kyrie wants to be here. He said it many times. We don'r want to extend him.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kyrie should pick up his option and show the club he's serious about playing basketball and winning. I don't blame the Nets for not wanting to extend him after what he's done.

Nash needs to go too.

No he shouldn't.

Kyrie knows he can get a long term deal if he doesn't get one here.

We would lose Kyrie for nothing and then KD.

If Marks wants to suddenly be so tough then **** fire Nash.

He will do anything to let his friend off the hook.

To me Nash is 100x the problem that Kyrie is now that the mandate is lifted.

I think it would be fairly easy to trade Kyrie at the deadline if need be.

Kyrie is a massive part of the problem. His refusal to get vaccinated sabotaged the entire season. How on earth are you absolving him?

Nash sucks, but Kyrie has played 20 games in year 1. 54 games in year 2, where we saw him inexplicably go AWOL a month into the season, attending parties while the team was on the road playing. This year, by his own choice by refusing to take a simple shot, he played 29. Does that warrant a max extension? Absolutely not. The Nets have bent over backwards for him and what has it gotten them?

Kyrie and Nash are two different issues. Nash should be fired, and Kyrie has proven to be unreliable and untrustworthy. He needs to earn that extension or start looking for a destination where he can be S&T

Edit: And if KD has a problem with it, fine. I'll gladly trade him for multiple firsts and prospects. I'm over all of this crap.

How am I absolving him?

I'm not. But the mandate is over. And hes a very talented player who we have no way of replacing.

I'm not losing Kyrie for nothing. I don't care how unreliable he is.

Him and KD cruise to a Championship last year if not for Giannis undercutting him. You can't just forget about that.

[Hello Brooklyn]

It would be idiotic not to extend Kyrie.

Despite all his trouble, there is no more mandate and the worst is behind him.

Worst case he is still tradable. Hes young enough for a bad team to take a chance on him.

KD is still a top 5 player.

And there will be major upgrades to the roster.

Why would you not take that?

Otherwise we lose Durant and suck again? Is that really better?

The Nets can turn it aorund.

The major change Marks needs to make is to FIRE NASH.

Instead of doing that hes playing games with Kyrie. Moron.

Who has the cap space, positional need and intestinal fortitude to throw max money at Kyrie? Orlando?

Teams can make space or do a sign and trade pretty easily.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Imagine we got into the next year fully healthy and a full season of playing together.

KD/Kyrie/Simmons/Claxton/Harris

How are we not a serious contender in the East??? Of course we are.

Its worth throwing that away because of sour grapes about Kyrie not taking the vaccine? Its stupid.

I don't agree with what he did. But its over. Time to focus on the future.

I'm not throwing away the last few years of KD's prime for nothing.

[TheNetsFan]

It would be idiotic not to extend Kyrie.

Despite all his trouble, there is no more mandate and the worst is behind him.

Worst case he is still tradable. Hes young enough for a bad team to take a chance on him.

KD is still a top 5 player.

And there will be major upgrades to the roster.

Why would you not take that?

Otherwise we lose Durant and suck again? Is that really better?

The Nets can turn it aorund.

The major change Marks needs to make is to FIRE NASH.

Instead of doing that hes playing games with Kyrie. Moron.

Who has the cap space, positional need and intestinal fortitude to throw max money at Kyrie? Orlando?

Teams can make space or do a sign and trade pretty easily.

Provide the teams that would want him and how they can easily create the space. I'll wait. The list is very, very short.

[GTR11]

Looking around the league I noticed that there's more than enough teams that can create cap space. Here's few of them that do it:
1. Duh nix -> can move Obi with Rose to Det/Indy/San An/OKC. Couple 2nd rounders if to make sure they stay happy.
2. ATL-> can move Collins/Gallo combo. There will be takers for sure.
3. CAVS -> Love is expiring. Teams take type contracts.
4. Charlotte-> can dump Oubre 12m for couple 2nd rounders. Sign him up straight up.
5. Kings -> just don't pick DiVichenzo option.
6. Raps -> move FVV for a pick, gives them max slot.
7. PHX -> move Bridges with filler. Sign straight up.
Another 5 teams can just sign him outright without any moves. Than we have teams like Lakers/Nuggets/Miami who going to need our help.

Better question is. What GM willing to give Kyrie max. That contract can easily get them fired. Knowing Kyrie reputation, not many GM's will take that chance.

I think most realistic chance here is LA and NY. Dolan and Buss can take that gamble.

[Gooner]

Read on Twitter

If he's upset about we can trade him to LA for Anthony Davis. Problem solved.

Kyrie is gone, and it's not about the money. There is no mutual trust anymore, and if the club doesn't want Kyrie back, they are entitled to that. But KD won't be happy with this, that's for sure. His championship window has closed in one year basically.

Gone where? Who is backing up the truck to give a 4 year max?

The Nets want him to pick up his option. They might give him an extra year or two, but that it. If he's willing to walk for less money because he feels disrespected, so be it.

It doesn't have to be a 4 year max. Somebody would take a chance with Kyrie on a 1 or 2 year deal to see how it works. I don't think he is desperate for a big deal. Year to year approach is probably the best for him too at this point. He will leave because he was disrespected by Nets organisation, and that's not because he didn't get the max, it's because he is being thrown under the bus for that vaccine decision. Remember, before vaccine mandate they were offering him an extension.