[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[OakleyDokely]

I think the odds that Trent just walks in 2023 to another team are higher than that he gets traded.

Highly doubt that. Masai capitalizes on returns for major peices and GTJ is one.

That would mean you think GTJ gets traded considering him not being part 2023 and beyond are really decent given his UFA.

We'll see but I would be surprised if he gets traded.

I'd be surprised if any of Siakam, Barnes, VV, OG, GTJ and Precious were traded prior to the season.

The Raps will use the MLE/BAE, they will re-sign Thad and/or Boucher, they will make the 33rd pick and they will head into the season with that core. Then, they probably reevaluate the roster around the trade deadline.

[720]

Big men decline at an earlier age (Garnett, Duncan, Dirk) and at the time we were a relatively content treadmill team. We didn't have a potential young star waiting for more opportunity.

Age 32 season and later:
Lowry - 2 AS appearance, 0 seasons of VORP > 3
Duncan - 5 AS appearance, 5 seasons of VORP > 3
Garnett - 4 AS appearance, 2 seasons of VORP > 3
Nowitzki - 4 AS appearance (excluding his "special" selection), 3 seasons of VORP > 3

Siakam's not those HOFer - less talented and he probably can't transition to C as easily. I think the bigger question, though, is what do you trade him for if you want to re-shuffle the timelines? I think a lotto pick could really backfire just as easily as losing him to age.

I feel like you can only trade Siakam for an instant impact type player, someone with star potential or a package of 2-3 1st rounders (the picks gotta be high so not a trade to a contender for picks).

As each year goes by and he’s 1 year older obviously depending on how he plays this’ll change. But atm he should warrant a big package of picks and or prospects.

[OakleyDokely]

Trading Pascal actually makes the least amount of sense because he’s our best player who is just entering his prime and plays such an important role on this team. We know at the very least he’s a 2nd option on a championship team. You don’t trade him for players that you hope to be as good as Pascal because the reality is it’s highly unlikely none of those picks or young prospects become as good as him.

It would also send the wrong message to players like Scottie and our other young players and could end up losing Scottie as a result. Players ultimately want to win and trading our best player would set this team back years.

I honestly can’t recall a time where trading an ALL-NBA talent entering his prime worked out for the teams that traded them.

Pascal will be 29 next season.. He could get slightly better.. But, he has probably hit his peak. Unless we are getting a top 10 player in the next couple of years and gunning for a championship. It doesn't make much sense to keep him..

Plus, there are only so many shots to go around.. Eventually, we want Barnes to become our franchise player. Having high usage players in the late 20's with Siakam and Fred VanVleet makes little sense.. Having a guy like OG with an expanding offensive game at the age of 24 playing an opposite position to Barnes does make sense.

I agree with the last part.. Most of the time it does not work out.. I think its because often players are traded after a request.. Or showing discontent with the direction of the franchise. But, one recent success story I can remember is the Boston-New Jersey trade. Boston got a dozen years worth of first rounds picks. But Garnet and Pierce were 34-35 at the time. So, it was a bit of a fleece.

Pascal is our best player and he just turned 28 years old. If you trade him you'll just be spending the next few years trying to get a player as good as he is. We didn't need to trade Lowry when he was 29 years old in 2015 and we don't need to trade Pascal. Pascal is an ALL-NBA caliber player who can easily be the 2nd option on a championship team.

Yes, it'd be great if Scottie became our franchise player but you don't force him to become one when he's not one at this point in time. And that also doesn't mean you trade everyone that is ahead of him on the pecking order. If Scottie truly becomes a franchise player then no moves will need to be made because he will take over the team and the other players will take on less responsibility.

I don't think people realize just how disastrous it is to trade ALL-NBA caliber players in their prime. It never works out and Scottie will be signing somewhere else in 3-4 years after numerous trips to the lottery because we traded our best players for picks and unproven prospects. LOL.

Trading ALL-NBA talent in their prime never happens because teams aren't dumb enough to trade them unless they request a trade LOL. Garnett and Pierce were in their mid-30's when they were dealt, not in their prime. The reason you don't see teams trade ALL-NBA players in their prime is because you're never going to get equal value for them. You can get back all the picks in the world but there is a 99% chance that those picks don't end up ever netting you a player as good as the player you are trading. The Garnett/Pierce trade was one of the worst trades in history simply because they were well past their prime and the Nets became a lottery team because of it. But if that trade was made even three years earlier, the Nets would've had some reasonably successful playoff runs and the Celtics would have never landed Brown and Tatum as they would've been picking in the late 20's instead of the high lottery.

Celtics are also a good example. They had Tatum/Brown but still went out and acquired Kyrie, signed Hayward and then when Kyrie wanted out they replaced him with Kemba. Notice how they not only didn't trade their best players but they actually went out and acquired more pieces. Do you think that hurt Tatum and Brown's development? I'd say it helped their development because they weren't given a ton of a responsibility earlier in their careers and were able to progress properly. Tatum/Brown don't know what it's like to lose. They've been a part of a winning culture their entire career.

It's like saying the Celts should've traded away Horford prior to the season because he's older than the core group and he'd take minutes away from Williams. Good teams have players in all age brackets and they have multiple good players at all positions.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think the odds that Trent just walks in 2023 to another team are higher than that he gets traded.

Highly doubt that. Masai capitalizes on returns for major peices and GTJ is one.

That would mean you think GTJ gets traded considering him not being part 2023 and beyond are really decent given his UFA.

We'll see but I would be surprised if he gets traded.

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[WuTang_CMB]

I think the odds that Trent just walks in 2023 to another team are higher than that he gets traded.

Highly doubt that. Masai capitalizes on returns for major peices and GTJ is one.

That would mean you think GTJ gets traded considering him not being part 2023 and beyond are really decent given his UFA.

We'll see but I would be surprised if he gets traded.

We don't let productive players walk for nothing like that. He very likely either gets traded or retained next off-season.

We can also S and T him next year.

[720]

Highly doubt that. Masai capitalizes on returns for major peices and GTJ is one.

That would mean you think GTJ gets traded considering him not being part 2023 and beyond are really decent given his UFA.

We'll see but I would be surprised if he gets traded.

I would be shocked if he doesn't get traded this off-season or doesnt get retained.

We don't let productive players walk for nothing like that.

We can also S and T him next off-season

A decision will be made on both Gary and Fred this upcoming season imo. I think Fred signs an extension with us and Gary it’ll depend on his market value I think.

[SnotoriousBIG]

Big men decline at an earlier age (Garnett, Duncan, Dirk) and at the time we were a relatively content treadmill team. We didn't have a potential young star waiting for more opportunity.

Age 32 season and later:
Lowry - 2 AS appearance, 0 seasons of VORP > 3
Duncan - 5 AS appearance, 5 seasons of VORP > 3
Garnett - 4 AS appearance, 2 seasons of VORP > 3
Nowitzki - 4 AS appearance (excluding his "special" selection), 3 seasons of VORP > 3

Siakam's not those HOFer - less talented and he probably can't transition to C as easily. I think the bigger question, though, is what do you trade him for if you want to re-shuffle the timelines? I think a lotto pick could really backfire just as easily as losing him to age.

I was just about to post something similar...

[mulamutti]

As I've said many times before, unless an OG trade changes our team drastically, I don't think Masai does it. Based on Masai's history, he'll favor continuity and familiarity and patience, unless it is a no-brainer deal that moves us from a 3-6 team to a 1-2 team in the east. This was not a failed season or playoffs (e.g. Lebronto seasons), where a negative finish to the season forces tough decisions. They played incredible after the all star break, siakam has absolutely redeemed himself and then some, FVV was an all star until injuries hampered him, and Precious is looking like a stud. so i don't see it.

Running it back will solve absolutely nothing. We will just waste another season. Masai wants to create a dynasty.

Every GM in the league is trying to create a dynasty. If you're talking about just assembling superstars, then you're the fan of the wrong team. To create a dynasty, u need to draft, scout, develop, coach, have a great franchise, AND have great players and get lucky to win a championship, let alone coming close to a dynasty. A trade of OG isn't going to make us a dynasty. So the questions is does any trade at least propel us to 1-2 in the east if not a true contender. outside of this what's the point of a trade.

[mulamutti]

Almost no one on the Raptors is untouchable for the right deal.

Non story.

Well that is a very broad statement that's not entirely true.

Lets say that any nba team would trade any of their assets for Giannis, Durant, Steph, Tatum, Jokic, Trae, doncic. However, those are precisely the players that those teams would never trade. So take those guys out of the equation, and the raptors players start to become more "untouchable". There's practically no available trade for Pascal or Barnes that makes any sense. They become in essence untouchable.

[WaltFrazier]

As I've said many times before, unless an OG trade changes our team drastically, I don't think Masai does it. Based on Masai's history, he'll favor continuity and familiarity and patience, unless it is a no-brainer deal that moves us from a 3-6 team to a 1-2 team in the east. This was not a failed season or playoffs (e.g. Lebronto seasons), where a negative finish to the season forces tough decisions. They played incredible after the all star break, siakam has absolutely redeemed himself and then some, FVV was an all star until injuries hampered him, and Precious is looking like a stud. so i don't see it.

Running it back will solve absolutely nothing. We will just waste another season. Masai wants to create a dynasty.

Every GM in the league is trying to create a dynasty. If you're talking about just assembling superstars, then you're the fan of the wrong team. To create a dynasty, u need to draft, scout, develop, coach, have a great franchise, AND have great players and get lucky to win a championship, let alone coming close to a dynasty. A trade of OG isn't going to make us a dynasty. So the questions is does any trade at least propel us to 1-2 in the east if not a true contender. outside of this what's the point of a trade.

Steve Kerr was just on NBA TV complimenting Boston for growing and developing organically, player development, going to the playoffs multiple times. A lot like our own team, GSW, he said. Raptors are on a similar track, we aren't going to build a superteam by signing FAs

[DreamTeam09]

Just like in life, multiple ways of skinning a cat but no1 ever finds any common ground on any thing.

This board over the years have battled between organic growth and or trading said growth for younger prospects or b-list stars or semi a-list stars.

I'm sure the DeMar for Kawhi trade has something to do with it, but that was probably a once in a lifetime scenario that had to have multiple different things to play out in our favour. It wasn't as simple as finding a disgruntled star and trading for him.

Clearly this mgmt wants to build from within, they mention it at every opportunity possible, this same mgmt sqaud that got us a chip, I'm more than willing to give then the benefit of the doubt on whatever they do. Sure I may disagree on who they pick, who they target, ect ect, but this mgmt delivers and the product on the court is good.
Has to be some middle ground, but is that even realistic to ask on a msg board. Everyones opinion is more than valid in some instances.

Either way, 22 days till draft, 31 days till free agency

[mulamutti]

Just like in life, multiple ways of skinning a cat but no1 ever finds any common ground on any thing.

This board over the years have battled between organic growth and or trading said growth for younger prospects or b-list stars or semi a-list stars.

I'm sure the DeMar for Kawhi trade has something to do with it, but that was probably a once in a lifetime scenario that had to have multiple different things to play out in our favour. It wasn't as simple as finding a disgruntled star and trading for him.

Clearly this mgmt wants to build from within, they mention it at every opportunity possible, this same mgmt sqaud that got us a chip, I'm more than willing to give then the benefit of the doubt on whatever they do. Sure I may disagree on who they pick, who they target, ect ect, but this mgmt delivers and the product on the court is good.
Has to be some middle ground, but is that even realistic to ask on a msg board. Everyones opinion is more than valid in some instances.

Either way, 22 days till draft, 31 days till free agency

Yes, even the demar for kawhi trade was only possible because of all the building from within, giving derozan amazing teams for him to work with and showcase his stardom, development of derozan, etc. So you don't get that once in a lifetime trade for a superstar, unless you do everything else right. I'm sure every GM in the league keeps their ear out for superstar trades. They are just not that availble. So this board's constant cry for this scenario is pointless.

[House12]

Just like in life, multiple ways of skinning a cat but no1 ever finds any common ground on any thing.

This board over the years have battled between organic growth and or trading said growth for younger prospects or b-list stars or semi a-list stars.

I'm sure the DeMar for Kawhi trade has something to do with it, but that was probably a once in a lifetime scenario that had to have multiple different things to play out in our favour. It wasn't as simple as finding a disgruntled star and trading for him.

Clearly this mgmt wants to build from within, they mention it at every opportunity possible, this same mgmt sqaud that got us a chip, I'm more than willing to give then the benefit of the doubt on whatever they do. Sure I may disagree on who they pick, who they target, ect ect, but this mgmt delivers and the product on the court is good.
Has to be some middle ground, but is that even realistic to ask on a msg board. Everyones opinion is more than valid in some instances.

Either way, 22 days till draft, 31 days till free agency

I can't help noticing the usage of "skinning a cat", the correct term is "skin a cat" as in catfish. When you say "skinning a cat" it just makes me think of the poor cats that are getting mutilated and it really bugs me. I would appreciate it if you used the correct term. Thanks.

[Mikistan]

OG won't be traded because hes a stud thats why

[lobosloboslobos]

Just like in life, multiple ways of skinning a cat but no1 ever finds any common ground on any thing.

This board over the years have battled between organic growth and or trading said growth for younger prospects or b-list stars or semi a-list stars.

I'm sure the DeMar for Kawhi trade has something to do with it, but that was probably a once in a lifetime scenario that had to have multiple different things to play out in our favour. It wasn't as simple as finding a disgruntled star and trading for him.

Clearly this mgmt wants to build from within, they mention it at every opportunity possible, this same mgmt sqaud that got us a chip, I'm more than willing to give then the benefit of the doubt on whatever they do. Sure I may disagree on who they pick, who they target, ect ect, but this mgmt delivers and the product on the court is good.
Has to be some middle ground, but is that even realistic to ask on a msg board. Everyones opinion is more than valid in some instances.

Either way, 22 days till draft, 31 days till free agency

I can't help noticing the usage of "skinning a cat", the correct term is "skin a cat" as in catfish. When you say "skinning a cat" it just makes me think of the poor cats that are getting mutilated and it really bugs me. I would appreciate it if you used the correct term. Thanks.

are there actually different ways to skin a catfish then? what are they?

[dTox]

Just like in life, multiple ways of skinning a cat but no1 ever finds any common ground on any thing.

This board over the years have battled between organic growth and or trading said growth for younger prospects or b-list stars or semi a-list stars.

I'm sure the DeMar for Kawhi trade has something to do with it, but that was probably a once in a lifetime scenario that had to have multiple different things to play out in our favour. It wasn't as simple as finding a disgruntled star and trading for him.

Clearly this mgmt wants to build from within, they mention it at every opportunity possible, this same mgmt sqaud that got us a chip, I'm more than willing to give then the benefit of the doubt on whatever they do. Sure I may disagree on who they pick, who they target, ect ect, but this mgmt delivers and the product on the court is good.
Has to be some middle ground, but is that even realistic to ask on a msg board. Everyones opinion is more than valid in some instances.

Either way, 22 days till draft, 31 days till free agency

I can't help noticing the usage of "skinning a cat", the correct term is "skin a cat" as in catfish. When you say "skinning a cat" it just makes me think of the poor cats that are getting mutilated and it really bugs me. I would appreciate it if you used the correct term. Thanks.

are there actually different ways to skin a catfish then? what are they?

And are people this sensitive? Good grief

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[C_Money]

Just like in life, multiple ways of skinning a cat but no1 ever finds any common ground on any thing.

This board over the years have battled between organic growth and or trading said growth for younger prospects or b-list stars or semi a-list stars.

I'm sure the DeMar for Kawhi trade has something to do with it, but that was probably a once in a lifetime scenario that had to have multiple different things to play out in our favour. It wasn't as simple as finding a disgruntled star and trading for him.

Clearly this mgmt wants to build from within, they mention it at every opportunity possible, this same mgmt sqaud that got us a chip, I'm more than willing to give then the benefit of the doubt on whatever they do. Sure I may disagree on who they pick, who they target, ect ect, but this mgmt delivers and the product on the court is good.
Has to be some middle ground, but is that even realistic to ask on a msg board. Everyones opinion is more than valid in some instances.

Either way, 22 days till draft, 31 days till free agency

I can't help noticing the usage of "skinning a cat", the correct term is "skin a cat" as in catfish. When you say "skinning a cat" it just makes me think of the poor cats that are getting mutilated and it really bugs me. I would appreciate it if you used the correct term. Thanks.

are there actually different ways to skin a catfish then? what are they?

And how do you kill two birds with one stone?

[DreamTeam09]

Just like in life, multiple ways of skinning a cat but no1 ever finds any common ground on any thing.

This board over the years have battled between organic growth and or trading said growth for younger prospects or b-list stars or semi a-list stars.

I'm sure the DeMar for Kawhi trade has something to do with it, but that was probably a once in a lifetime scenario that had to have multiple different things to play out in our favour. It wasn't as simple as finding a disgruntled star and trading for him.

Clearly this mgmt wants to build from within, they mention it at every opportunity possible, this same mgmt sqaud that got us a chip, I'm more than willing to give then the benefit of the doubt on whatever they do. Sure I may disagree on who they pick, who they target, ect ect, but this mgmt delivers and the product on the court is good.
Has to be some middle ground, but is that even realistic to ask on a msg board. Everyones opinion is more than valid in some instances.

Either way, 22 days till draft, 31 days till free agency

I can't help noticing the usage of "skinning a cat", the correct term is "skin a cat" as in catfish. When you say "skinning a cat" it just makes me think of the poor cats that are getting mutilated and it really bugs me. I would appreciate it if you used the correct term. Thanks.

lol lol lol that's really funny to me. But sure pal, i'll use the correct term from here on out and try not to traumatize you again. lol appreciate the correction.

[NotMyKawhi]

I think it will take a lot, is more likely he will be traded. This is just negotiation tactics

they would have shot down, he ain't going anywhere, if they weren't looking to trade

[Madhouse]

I think it will take a lot, is more likely he will be traded. This is just negotiation tactics

they would have shot down, he ain't going anywhere, if they weren't looking to trade

No need, they don't have to and it doesn't come from reputable sources.