Tatum VS Luka

MrBigShot · Post #901 » by **MrBigShot** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:19 am

The spin people are putting on is that Tatum can contribute more than just scoring. This is part of his evolution as a player...still capitalized on the attention he gets everytime he's in the paint to get open looks for other guys and defended well.

Don't be fooled into thinking the celtics don't need Tatum. He was putting up 27ppg efficiently and both Miami/Milwaukee took the celtics to 7. They definitely need his scoring, but the role players stepped up big tonight.

Do I think he's as good as Luka? Nah. Luka at his best is in just a hair below Giannis and Jokic. Nearly took a team of guys that would never crack an NBA rotation and earned a medal in the olympics. There's a clear gap in both raw and impact stats in these playoffs. Luka also doesn't have a 2nd best player on par with Brown who is a really damn good player in his own right, definitely a star.

mpoo_sin · Post #902 » by **mpoo_sin** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:21 am

playa-hater wrote:Tatum the Wing had 13 assists while Luka the ball dominating PG had a high of 9 and a low of 4 asts after 5 games with GS..

Yeah, because his team didn t make the open threes he generated.
Doncic was the player that generated the most open threes for his team in the playoffs. Something of like 21+ open threes per game through the first three rounds of the playoffs.

Tatum made 13 Assists today and he is still trailing Doncic in Ast per game in these playoffs.

Per BBall-reference:

Tatum: 41.1 MPG/.445 FG%/eFG% .527/RPG 6.7/AST 5.9/STL 1.2/BLK 0.9/TOV 4.3/PTS 27.0

Doncic: 36.8 MPG/.455 FG%/eFG% .527/RPG 9.8/AST 6.4/STL 1.9/BLK 0.6/TOV 3.9/PTS 31.7

Doncic is doing more with less.

1st banana · Post #903 » by **1st banana** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:30 am

Luka fanboys shook right now.

SelfishPlayer · Post #904 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:32 am

MrBigShot wrote:The spin people are putting on is that Tatum can contribute more than just scoring. This is part of his evolution as a player...still capitalized on the attention he gets everytime he's in the paint to get open looks for other guys and defended well.

Don't be fooled into thinking the celtics don't need Tatum. He was putting up 27ppg efficiently and both Miami/Milwaukee took the celtics to 7. They definitely need his scoring, but the role players stepped up big tonight.

Do I think he's as good as Luka? Nah. Luka at his best is in just a hair below Giannis and Jokic. Nearly took a team of guys that would never crack an NBA rotation and earned a medal in the olympics. There's a clear gap in both raw and impact stats in these playoffs. Luka also doesn't have a 2nd best player on par with Brown who is a really damn good player in his own right, definitely a star.

Luka had KP who made a single All Star game and it didn't work out with them. Tatum has Brown who made a single All Star game. It's easier for things to work out with Tatum and whoever he plays with.

MrBigShot · Post #905 » by **MrBigShot** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:36 am

^KP played 43, 51, and 51 games the past 3 years. He can't stay healthy. Brown got snubbed this year for the all star team; he's the best player in this series after Steph/Tatum and easily a perennial all star level player.

Jkam31 · Post #906 » by **Jkam31** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:38 am

playa-hater wrote:Tatum the Wing had 13 assists while Luka the ball dominating PG had a high of 9 and a low of 4 asts after 5 games with GS..

This **** embarrassing man y’all gotta stop

Jkam31 · Post #907 » by **Jkam31** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:39 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:
OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:This is exactly an example of what I said about Tatum’s inconsistencies as “the guy”. 12 points on 3-17 shooting in the finals. Sure he turned in a great playmaking performance, but Luka does that every night. A bad game for Luka is 20/10 normally.

Luka was 6-18 with 4 assists and a game low -30 against these exact Warriors in game 1 only a few weeks ago.

Don’t forget Lukas atrocious defense as well!

You compared luka to Melo and Tatum to lebron stop talking basketball

mpoo_sin · Post #908 » by **mpoo_sin** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:46 am

Jkam31 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:
Luka was 6-18 with 4 assists and a game low -30 against these exact Warriors in game 1 only a few weeks ago.

Don’t forget Lukas atrocious defense as well!

You compared luka to Melo and Tatum to lebron stop talking basketball

Tatum is more like Carmelo Anthony. Doncic is more like James.

MrBigShot · Post #909 » by **MrBigShot** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:50 am

Honestly the Melo comp isn't awful, they have similar skills. Tatum actually plays defense and isn't a black hole though. I like to think Tatum is what Melo would've become if was drafted by the pistons.

OkcSinceSGA · Post #910 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:10 am

Luka isn’t a horrible defender really. After games 1+2 criticism he played really solid D most of the series. He’s not Tatum level, but he’s not as much of a liability as people make him out to be.

GSP · Post #911 » by **GSP** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:21 am

OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:This is exactly an example of what I said about Tatum’s inconsistencies as “the guy”. 12 points on 3-17 shooting in the finals. Sure he turned in a great playmaking performance, but Luka does that every night. A bad game for Luka is 20/10 normally.

Except Jayson is an all defense caliber wing while Luka is a bad defender and extremely exploitable too

Jkam31 · Post #912 » by **Jkam31** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:24 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum, because he plays defense and on a terrible shooting night he can fall back on being a playmaker. The greats are known for this, when their shot isn't going they look for their teammates. Tatum got assists, he didn't just defer.

Takes like this man close the thread

Jkam31 · Post #913 » by **Jkam31** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:26 am

1st banana wrote:Luka fanboys shook right now.

Boston wins inspitr of Tatum and luka fans are in shook cloen

styLesdavis · Post #914 » by **styLesdavis** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:37 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum, because he plays defense and on a terrible shooting night he can fall back on being a playmaker. The greats are known for this, when their shot isn't going they look for their teammates. Tatum got assists, he didn't just defer.

He didn`t fall back. Tatum couldn`t hit anything and still continued shooting (17 FGA) with nearly the same volume as his playoff average (19.6 FGA). Of course 13 assists are a class-act BUT its kind of easy too when your teammates are hitting 56% of their threes and nearly 60% of their field goals. Don`t get me wrong - Tatum made plays. But to say that he "hold back" might not cut it.

Bob8 · Post #915 » by **Bob8** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:39 am

If I understand right, Tatum was 3/17, Celtics won and it proves Tatum is better than Luka? :lol:

I guess Tatum dominated Steph too?

What about, Celtics having really good team? Smart, Horford, White playing fantastic game. 15/23 for 3.

Bob8 · Post #916 » by **Bob8** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 6:47 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:
OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:This is exactly an example of what I said about Tatum’s inconsistencies as “the guy”. 12 points on 3-17 shooting in the finals. Sure he turned in a great playmaking performance, but Luka does that every night. A bad game for Luka is 20/10 normally.

Luka was 6-18 with 4 assists and a game low -30 against these exact Warriors in game 1 only a few weeks ago.

Don’t forget Lukas atrocious defense as well!

I see you're heavily invested in this.

SelfishPlayer · Post #917 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 7:16 am

styLesdavis wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:This is an example of why it's easier to win with a player like Tatum, because he plays defense and on a terrible shooting night he can fall back on being a playmaker. The greats are known for this, when their shot isn't going they look for their teammates. Tatum got assists, he didn't just defer.

He didn`t fall back. Tatum couldn`t hit anything and still continued shooting (17 FGA) with nearly the same volume as his playoff average (19.6 FGA). Of course 13 assists are a class-act BUT its kind of easy too when your teammates are hitting 56% of their threes and nearly 60% of their field goals. Don`t get me wrong - Tatum made plays. But to say that he "hold back" might not cut it.

17 FGA is nothing. A loser stops trying to score altogether. He didn't exceed his shot attempt average. He fell back on playmaking.

Bob8 · Post #918 » by **Bob8** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 7:30 am

Can we bring this debate at least a little nearer to reality.

Had Tatum good game? No. Is he worse player because of 1 bad game? No.

Celtics are good team, but today's shooting night outside Tatum and Brown was extraordinarily. 18/28, 65% for 3. And that's the reason they have won. In that incredible % you have most of Tatum's assists too. If Celtics role players continue to shoot over 60% for 3, this series is over. Unlikely to happen though.

Fencer reregistered · Post #919 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 7:37 am

advent11 wrote:Atrocious game by Tatum. Tatum proponents trying to spin harder than Jen Psaki.

In fairness, a few of the Luka stans sound like Peter Doocy level trolls. (Or idiots, but I don't believe Doocy is nearly as much of an idiot as he pretends to be.)

Bob8 · Post #920 » by **Bob8** » Fri Jun 3, 2022 7:43 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
advent11 wrote:Atrocious game by Tatum. Tatum proponents trying to spin harder than Jen Psaki.

In fairness, a few of the Luka stans sound like Peter Doocy level trolls. (Or idiots, but I don't believe Doocy is nearly as much of an idiot as he pretends to be.)

Your post sounds very levelheaded too.

Who's the better player overall?